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  • SVRDhand13
    SVRDhand13 Posts: 27,022
    It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub.  Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club?  I would love to see that.  
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  • jdopj
    jdopj Posts: 772
    SVRDhand13 said:
    It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub.  Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club?  I would love to see that.  
    The person selling the tix are probably not the 10c ticket holder
  • ally12
    ally12 Ottawa, ON, CAN Posts: 442
    edited January 3
    SVRDhand13 said:
    It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub.  Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club?  I would love to see that.  
    How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper. 

    All for a change in the process though 
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  • SVRDhand13
    SVRDhand13 Posts: 27,022
    jdopj said:
    SVRDhand13 said:
    It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub.  Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club?  I would love to see that.  
    The person selling the tix are probably not the 10c ticket holder
    Good point- I guess it would only work if Ten Club did this the day on or after the initial release of tickets.  
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    2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
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  • SVRDhand13
    SVRDhand13 Posts: 27,022
    ally12 said:
    SVRDhand13 said:
    It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub.  Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club?  I would love to see that.  
    How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper. 

    All for a change in the process though 
    Yea another person pointed that out.  Would have to be immediate I guess.  I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.  
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  • ally12
    ally12 Ottawa, ON, CAN Posts: 442
    SVRDhand13 said:
    ally12 said:
    SVRDhand13 said:
    It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub.  Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club?  I would love to see that.  
    How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper. 

    All for a change in the process though 
    Yea another person pointed that out.  Would have to be immediate I guess.  I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.  
    I doubt anything is going to change, this new TM method just made 10c more valuable. They could do more and vett the membership. Weed out all the scalpers with fake memberships. 
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  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,315
    SVRDhand13 said:
    jdopj said:
    SVRDhand13 said:
    It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub.  Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club?  I would love to see that.  
    The person selling the tix are probably not the 10c ticket holder
    Good point- I guess it would only work if Ten Club did this the day on or after the initial release of tickets.  
    There wouldn't be any identifying information on the seller even on day 1 
  • KJ228171
    KJ228171 Posts: 481
    SVRDhand13 said:
    ally12 said:
    SVRDhand13 said:
    It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub.  Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club?  I would love to see that.  
    How can they tell that the seller on stubhub is a 10c member? Maybe the situation is that a 10club member did coordinate a drop and it was purchased by a bot/scalper. 

    All for a change in the process though 
    Yea another person pointed that out.  Would have to be immediate I guess.  I know it's never happening, just a hypothetical.  
    Does the buyer even know the seller outside of a screen name? Since it's not using Ticketmaster to transfer the tickets you don't get an email address or the buyers name. Plus anyone selling might have have separate email addressed from 10C and Stub Hub.

  • ally12
    ally12 Ottawa, ON, CAN Posts: 442
    SHZA said:
    SVRDhand13 said:
    jdopj said:
    SVRDhand13 said:
    It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub.  Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club?  I would love to see that.  
    The person selling the tix are probably not the 10c ticket holder
    Good point- I guess it would only work if Ten Club did this the day on or after the initial release of tickets.  
    There wouldn't be any identifying information on the seller even on day 1 
    Bring back will call! 
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  • dmbolp
    dmbolp ATL Posts: 1,513
    10C would have to spend $$ to buy the tickets on Stubhub
  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,315
    dmbolp said:
    10C would have to spend $$ to buy the tickets on Stubhub
    True but then they should get a refund based on stubhub's guarantee because the tickets would be invalidated and wouldn't work, while the scalper would have to pay a penalty to stubhub for selling invalid tickets. All purely hypothetical because we know they won't do it but it's theoretically possible. 
  • danofun
    danofun Posts: 1,302
    SHZA said:
    SVRDhand13 said:
    jdopj said:
    SVRDhand13 said:
    It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub.  Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club?  I would love to see that.  
    The person selling the tix are probably not the 10c ticket holder
    Good point- I guess it would only work if Ten Club did this the day on or after the initial release of tickets.  
    There wouldn't be any identifying information on the seller even on day 1 
    TM would know if they were ever resold in their universe. If they never hit F2F but end up on the secondary market, then the 10C purchaser is the reseller.
  • PrezIntense
    PrezIntense Posts: 409
    SVRDhand13 said:
    It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub.  Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club?  I would love to see that.  
    Does 10C get 100% of all GA?
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  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,315
    edited January 3
    danofun said:
    SHZA said:
    SVRDhand13 said:
    jdopj said:
    SVRDhand13 said:
    It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub.  Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club?  I would love to see that.  
    The person selling the tix are probably not the 10c ticket holder
    Good point- I guess it would only work if Ten Club did this the day on or after the initial release of tickets.  
    There wouldn't be any identifying information on the seller even on day 1 
    TM would know if they were ever resold in their universe. If they never hit F2F but end up on the secondary market, then the 10C purchaser is the reseller.
    True but if all you get is a link to a generic "ticket" that says general admission, how would they know which member was selling it? If it was a specific seat or had the stock number of the GA ticket they could figure out the source. I guess they could run the barcode data through TM and identify the specific GA ticket 
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  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,315
    PrezIntense said:
    SVRDhand13 said:
    It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub.  Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club?  I would love to see that.  
    Does 10C get 100% of all GA?
    There aren't any GA in the general public sale but probably some for friends / family 
  • craigraether
    craigraether Posts: 1,666
    SHZA said:
    PrezIntense said:
    SVRDhand13 said:
    It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub.  Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club?  I would love to see that.  
    Does 10C get 100% of all GA?
    There aren't any GA in the general public sale but probably some for friends / family 
    would be easy to separate those based on GA ( GA1-GAx segragation code) but would that be evident to TM.. Also many of the friends and family tickets are hard tickets.. 
  • dmbolp
    dmbolp ATL Posts: 1,513
    edited January 3
    SHZA said:
    dmbolp said:
    10C would have to spend $$ to buy the tickets on Stubhub
    True but then they should get a refund based on stubhub's guarantee because the tickets would be invalidated and wouldn't work, while the scalper would have to pay a penalty to stubhub for selling invalid tickets. All purely hypothetical because we know they won't do it but it's theoretically possible. 
    10C, the Stubhub buyer, would have caused their own purchased tickets to become invalid...good luck with that with Stubhub
  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,315
    dmbolp said:
    SHZA said:
    dmbolp said:
    10C would have to spend $$ to buy the tickets on Stubhub
    True but then they should get a refund based on stubhub's guarantee because the tickets would be invalidated and wouldn't work, while the scalper would have to pay a penalty to stubhub for selling invalid tickets. All purely hypothetical because we know they won't do it but it's theoretically possible. 
    10C, the Stubhub buyer, would have caused their own purchased tickets to become invalid...good luck with that with Stubhub
    Stubhub sold the tickets knowing that resale tickets were subject to cancelation. They also wouldn't necessarily know that the buyer is affiliated with 10c if it's done through an individual account or a bunch of individual accounts. 
  • craigraether
    craigraether Posts: 1,666
    dmbolp said:
    SHZA said:
    dmbolp said:
    10C would have to spend $$ to buy the tickets on Stubhub
    True but then they should get a refund based on stubhub's guarantee because the tickets would be invalidated and wouldn't work, while the scalper would have to pay a penalty to stubhub for selling invalid tickets. All purely hypothetical because we know they won't do it but it's theoretically possible. 
    10C, the Stubhub buyer, would have caused their own purchased tickets to become invalid...good luck with that with Stubhub
    But even if they did a small percentage - and made it widely public they were doing it. One would people risk buying them, and two would SH risk selling them. Even 10 percent of tickets invalidated would be enough to cause a huge disruption in their business and confidence in the SH platform. All TM needs to do is add a secondary barcode that is only in the app, that pairs with the moving barcode IE.. Half is in the app the other is dynamic. Prevent forwarded barcodes, which are the large majority of how people get access. Visual Machine ticket wallet, not the TM app.... TM tried to force Apple Wallet and Android but that failed, but would have done the same. 
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    ally12 said:
    SHZA said:
    SVRDhand13 said:
    jdopj said:
    SVRDhand13 said:
    It's disheartening seeing GA tix on stubhub.  Hypothetically speaking, can Ten Club place an order to buy the GA tix and remove the seller from the Ten Club?  I would love to see that.  
    The person selling the tix are probably not the 10c ticket holder
    Good point- I guess it would only work if Ten Club did this the day on or after the initial release of tickets.  
    There wouldn't be any identifying information on the seller even on day 1 
    Bring back will call! 
    +1
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