F2F is OPEN

Sugarloafer04 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

100 Pacer said:

Lerxst1992 said:

RP123663 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

In addition to no priority, it appears that the lottery is now winner takes all, where One winning draw entitles that member to have all of their requests filled with available tickets maximizing the number of club members with no winnings draws. So curious that this major change to the lottery process a few years ago coincided with the scalpers ability to defeat the f2f system that was only created to stop scalpers. This was the tool the band told us was designed to help us and have been silent for years as it’s been manipulated by tm and scalpers.

For our membership fees, we are not even entitled to know how the lottery is conducted anymore and why it appears that some fans get rewarded with many tickets and many fans get rewarded with zero tickets in the lottery. This has been ongoing for years, and the lack of transparency with the lottery is a little bit ugly.

So for those that try to claim that the band is not involved, that’s a ridiculous claim. They have made decisions to trust Ticketmaster, which is maximized the amount of 10 club members in need of tickets and now Fan 2 fan is not an option. TM has come up with a way to delete accounts with no due process. the band has been completely silent as f2f has been overtaken by tm and their scalpers for years now.

Amen. The blind ball washing of some individuals is nauseating.  Its crystal clear that the 10c has become nothing but a money grab.  The band has gone from being loyal to their fan base, to being enablers of a system that results in 95% scalping for their shows.  They pulled that stunt 30 years ago to try and claim they were against the big system monopolies, but every move they made since then has helped scalping and fucked over their fan base.  The 10c is just a funnel of cash that the band steals while providing zero return.  There is literally not a single thing of use from being in the 10c.

At the very least, why can’t ten c tickets stay within the club? This seems to be a simple fix and something that should have been done two years ago once it became obvious the TM scalper defeat system of fan to fan was not effective. 

By doing nothing for years, the club has actually made it easier for scalpers to get resale tickets by forcing the only path for unusable club tickets onto a platform dominated by scalpers. 

Put a code on ten c tickets and give club members an exclusive resale window to buy them. Too simple, right?

10C isn’t handling ticket sales because the band sells the tour to LiveNation, the promoter, who offers a guarantee and takes over production. The band assures an allotment to the fan club while balancing costs with Premium offering. The band has no reason to switch their business model.

Your comment is 100% true for most of the bands that sell tickets on Ticketmaster, but unfortunately cannot be applied to this band because they put a lot of restrictive procedures that are supposed to keep scalpers away from tickets, but are actually creating a process that helps flow tickets, including fan club tickets, into the hands of scalpers. They should be aware of what their decisions are leading to

they are setting the rules and processes, and representing they are taking steps to keep tickets out of the hands of scalpers. to make their tickets non-transferable is an enormous burden that They are placing on their fans, and this does not absolve them of responsibility for what that leads to when combined with the fan to fan process.They are causing a lot of these problems, whether they want to admit it or not.

with the results of the new TicketMaster procedures regarding fan to fan, it’s apparent that not only are tickets ending up in the hands of scalpers,  but 10 club tickets are ending up in the hand of scalpers. That’s such an easy fix. It’s almost embarrassing having to bring that to the attention of the fan base on this forum.

If they’re not at a minimum going to address that or even pay attention to that or even be aware of that, at a minimum they should be addressing the results of the process that they are responsible for, and explain to their paying membership dues customers why they are not reviewing the process in any apparent manner. Fans are so frustrated, They’re figuring out how to email the bands legal representation. The one process that should be their responsibility Is that the allocated fan club tickets that  remain within the fan club.

this should be sent to the 10C I am wondering if someone has started a draft because it's one thing to write on this forum, but I think we should be reaching out to the 10C.

Yes I have but the more the merrier. 

People win GA 4 out of 5 times, everything is hunky dory. They don’t win tickets, they start throwing around the R-word like they know what it means. GTFOH… like a spoiled child.

Chrrie said:

RP123663 said:

ally12 said:

GlowGirl said:

ally12 said:

How much refreshing is a red flag, I have been on all day and no warning. Are people refreshing every 2-3 minutes? 

Every 2-3 minutes should be ok. But you might not get a warning. One time you will refresh and you will get the “your account has been paused message” just popping up. 

Unfortunately, many of us have realized over years of doing F2F that you have to refresh multiple times a minute to even have a slight chance of scoring a ticket. So that is the problem. 

Ahh ok, it’s the aggressive F5. Right now there isn’t much on there. I guess I’ll keep trying.

Yeah, there is no advantage of rapid fire refreshing as there are no tickets being sold. All of the tickets are in the hands of the scalpers, just as the band intended.

In a forgotten alley in West Seattle, Ed looks behind his shoulder and adjusts the brim of his dark grey fedora as he rushes through an obscured rusty metal door. Behind it, stairs lead down into a dimly lit basement. Matt and Jeff are sitting at a polished mahogany bar, curious as to why this emergency meeting has been called. Stone breaks the silence from across the room, “I thought you only wore those hats on stage to piss the fans off…”

Ed ignores the rhetorical question and, concerned, admits, “I don’t think we’re doing enough to get tickets into the hands of scalpers. I’ve been refreshing fan to fan all morning without being botted once.” 

Boom pops up from behind the bar and responds calmly, “ahhhh let me call my guy at Ticketmaster. It’ll be handled.” He passes out shots of limoncello on a solid gold plate and the band shares a toast to the success of the upcoming tour. 

Thank you for this! Nice way to wake up for work 😊

tylermoore said:

This much freaking out over F2F is simply not worth it. It’s amusing to watch from afar. 

Just wait until March/April 

Words of wisdom 

I don't disagree with those saying there will be more tickets available closer to the show... but good luck being online the second they drop and then being fast enough to cart them & check out. 

If TM's policy for suspending accounts doesn't change between now & then, it's going to be ugly. 

^ this 

I am waiting to lose my appeal and have my account banned. 

PhartN said:

Should I un-bookmark/follow this thread or will it go back the spot to check for actual F2F drops? 

Lol I was thinking the same 

PhartN said:

Should I un-bookmark/follow this thread or will it go back the spot to check for actual F2F drops? 

It might go back to the spot to check for actual drops, but it doesn't matter. There's obviously a slim chance that we're wrong about Ticketmaster rigging the game. But with how aggressively they're banning people for refreshing/browsing, privileged web access and API access are, by far, the most likely explanations for how newly listed tickets disappear so quickly and end up on reseller sites.

If partners are using the Ticketing API to pull F2F tickets, you absolutely cannot win. If you stood any chance of winning, it went out with the window with TM's new stance on banning accounts for Terms violations.

There's some truth in the idea that you'll have a better chance closer to the show as more tickets become available. But it won't be because you'll have better odds or more chances... it will be because Ticketmaster and their partners have all the supply/demand data, and we have none of it. When they decide that seats listed on F2F don't represent a big enough opportunity relative to market value, either due to excess supply, shrinking demand, or proximity to showtime, they will let people have some wins.

I'm 99% convinced that's where we are now.

If there was a path to getting 10c (and other artist representation) involved, it's this:
If Ticketmaster is giving privileged F2F access to 3rd parties and taking a cut of aftermarket pricing, they are robbing the artists of their rightful share of dynamic pricing. In addition to getting various artist fan communities involved, I think that's the rallying angle. We, the fans, are being cheated out of a fair shot at affordable tickets on a platform that is literally marketed as created to give fans a fair shot at affordable tickets. And Ticketmaster & their partners are literally stealing money from our favorite artists.

EH14457 said:

PhartN said:

Should I un-bookmark/follow this thread or will it go back the spot to check for actual F2F drops? 

It might go back to the spot to check for actual drops, but it doesn't matter. There's obviously a slim chance that we're wrong about Ticketmaster rigging the game. But with how aggressively they're banning people for refreshing/browsing, privileged web access and API access are, by far, the most likely explanations for how newly listed tickets disappear so quickly and end up on reseller sites.

If partners are using the Ticketing API to pull F2F tickets, you absolutely cannot win. If you stood any chance of winning, it went out with the window with TM's new stance on banning accounts for Terms violations.

There's some truth in the idea that you'll have a better chance closer to the show as more tickets become available. But it won't be because you'll have better odds or more chances... it will be because Ticketmaster and their partners have all the supply/demand data, and we have none of it. When they decide that seats listed on F2F don't represent a big enough opportunity relative to market value, either due to excess supply, shrinking demand, or proximity to showtime, they will let people have some wins.

I'm 99% convinced that's where we are now.

If there was a path to getting 10c (and other artist representation) involved, it's this:
If Ticketmaster is giving privileged F2F access to 3rd parties and taking a cut of aftermarket pricing, they are robbing the artists of their rightful share of dynamic pricing. In addition to getting various artist fan communities involved, I think that's the rallying angle. We, the fans, are being cheated out of a fair shot at affordable tickets on a platform that is literally marketed as created to give fans a fair shot at affordable tickets. And Ticketmaster & their partners are literally stealing money from our favorite artists.

Honestly, this is your response? 

PhartN said:

Should I un-bookmark/follow this thread or will it go back the spot to check for actual F2F drops? 

Technically that’s what Given to Fly is for.