F2F is OPEN

RP123663

BloodMeridian80 said:

RP123663 said:

craigraether said:

GlowGirl said:

YAKIMATSU said:

jsilsby said:

I doubt the angry mob of 100 pissed off 10C members who had their TM account banned for DDoS’ing the TM servers is really going to move the needle in any direction.

I suspect that yes, the scalpers have sophisticated means and pay for the privilege of using the partner API. There really is no fix for this, other than to not play the game and force the scalpers to eat the ticket costs. TM won’t change, no incentive to  - maybe at best you can get them to change the language around F2F out fear of public shaming, but even that’s doubtful.

That is the reality we live in.  We have hope that it isn't just us but others trying to get Oasis or Metallica, etc. and that it can get enough attention for something?? to happen.

If you look at Reddit there are so many threads about people getting blocked. It is not just us. That is for sure. 

If Robert Smith can force TM to abide by not allowing tickets to be marked up and fans to get tickets, Eddie should have equal if not better influence. Considering the 1995 anti TM campaign, I would think Eddie would not want this tied back to him and PJ in a negative way.  

If you think Eddie gives AF about the fan base, you're mistaken  PJ and Eddie have been in bed with TM since that little stunt in court. They immediately bent over for TM and have been on their knees ever since.  Eddie was just on national TV a month or 2 ago and flat out said that he hates touring.  Put those 2 things together and you can see why it has turned into PJ raping their most loyal fan base.  They hate touring and they are trying to squeeze every lasts cent out of the fans while playing 20 songs which include a bunch of new ones nobody likes.  It’s a game to them at this point.

Merry Christmas!

Haha!!  Santa appreciates those who tell the truth  🤷‍♂️

KJ228171

Sugarloafer04 said:

If Ticketmaster won't allow me to sell my tickets that feels illegal somehow. I am livid at this whole process flagging us humans as bots something feels off if it's happening to so many people. 

I'm sure they will get that part worked out even if you have to jump through hoops. 

If not I call bids on that FT: Raleigh 2 GA (single ticket) you've posted in the other thread.   I can PayPal or Venmo you immediately.

RP123663

RatherStarved said:

RP123663 said:

This idiotic disaster explains why the shows over the past couple years have been lacking energy and excitement. For one, the arenas are not jammed like in years past, people are leaving early even though the set lists are much shorter and the crowd consists of more random people and not fans.  The band is simply out of touch and thinks that people are just going to start following a band of 60 year old dudes.  That's just not the case.  Meanwhile, they are basically stealing from thousands of 10c members who now get absolutely nothing with their yearly membership.  It's green disease and they are chock full of it.

Well, if fan to fan isn’t a thing any more, the 10c membership becomes more valuable as a way to at least get in the door for face value.  So I wonder, are we sure 10c is unaware of this mess? Because the existence of the mess, though not caused by 10c, enhances the value prop of 10c.

That sound neat, but it doesn't matter if they only allot a handful of tix for 10c. When the band was in their absolute prime, it was much, much easier to score in the lottery.  Now they are playing 2/3 of their set lists and now more than ever, 10c members are getting shut out. There is zero value in the 10c.  

BloodMeridian80

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

ekwipt

RatherStarved said:

RP123663 said:

This idiotic disaster explains why the shows over the past couple years have been lacking energy and excitement. For one, the arenas are not jammed like in years past, people are leaving early even though the set lists are much shorter and the crowd consists of more random people and not fans.  The band is simply out of touch and thinks that people are just going to start following a band of 60 year old dudes.  That's just not the case.  Meanwhile, they are basically stealing from thousands of 10c members who now get absolutely nothing with their yearly membership.  It's green disease and they are chock full of it.

Well, if fan to fan isn’t a thing any more, the 10c membership becomes more valuable as a way to at least get in the door for face value.  So I wonder, are we sure 10c is unaware of this mess? Because the existence of the mess, though not caused by 10c, enhances the value prop of 10c.

I do hope everyone who are getting locked out of their accounts are formally writing to 10c. 
Posting on the forum is good for info sharing but direct, polite contact is always the move. 

JimmyV

Bonkers situation. Hope after the holidays it settles itself out for all of you. Fingers crossed. 

Sugarloafer04

KJ228171 said:

Sugarloafer04 said:

If Ticketmaster won't allow me to sell my tickets that feels illegal somehow. I am livid at this whole process flagging us humans as bots something feels off if it's happening to so many people. 

I'm sure they will get that part worked out even if you have to jump through hoops. 

If not I call bids on that FT: Raleigh 2 GA (single ticket) you've posted in the other thread.   I can PayPal or Venmo you immediately.

haha sounds good! Fuck Ticketmaster. Merry Christmas.

RP123663

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

Lol. There is no way in hell that there are more 10c tix now.  Not even close.  The fact is, there are many LESS 10c members now and the hit % is way less.  Do the math.  The fact is, 95% of the tickets are now scalped. The complete opposite of what the band wants you to believe.

RatherStarved

RP123663 said:

RatherStarved said:

RP123663 said:

This idiotic disaster explains why the shows over the past couple years have been lacking energy and excitement. For one, the arenas are not jammed like in years past, people are leaving early even though the set lists are much shorter and the crowd consists of more random people and not fans.  The band is simply out of touch and thinks that people are just going to start following a band of 60 year old dudes.  That's just not the case.  Meanwhile, they are basically stealing from thousands of 10c members who now get absolutely nothing with their yearly membership.  It's green disease and they are chock full of it.

Well, if fan to fan isn’t a thing any more, the 10c membership becomes more valuable as a way to at least get in the door for face value.  So I wonder, are we sure 10c is unaware of this mess? Because the existence of the mess, though not caused by 10c, enhances the value prop of 10c.

That sound neat, but it doesn't matter if they only allot a handful of tix for 10c. When the band was in their absolute prime, it was much, much easier to score in the lottery.  Now they are playing 2/3 of their set lists and now more than ever, 10c members are getting shut out. There is zero value in the 10c.  

Setlist length is a different issue entirely.  Personally I find 25 songs pretty good considering their age and what other bands do.

The lottery is exactly that.  I know some people that got shut out, and others who hit everything they entered.  I hit about 50%.  There’s value in my opinion in having the opportunity to enter the draws.  Obviously if anyone doesn’t think so they can decide not to join or renew.

danofun

RP123663 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

Lol. There is no way in hell that there are more 10c tix now.  Not even close.  The fact is, there are many LESS 10c members now and the hit % is way less.  Do the math.  The fact is, 95% of the tickets are now scalped. The complete opposite of what the band wants you to believe.

Fact checkers would have a field day with this individual..

Lerxst1992

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

In addition to no priority, it appears that the lottery is now winner takes all, where One winning draw entitles that member to have all of their requests filled with available tickets maximizing the number of club members with no winnings draws. So curious that this major change to the lottery process a few years ago coincided with the scalpers ability to defeat the f2f system that was only created to stop scalpers. This was the tool the band told us was designed to help us and have been silent for years as it’s been manipulated by tm and scalpers.

For our membership fees, we are not even entitled to know how the lottery is conducted anymore and why it appears that some fans get rewarded with many tickets and many fans get rewarded with zero tickets in the lottery. This has been ongoing for years, and the lack of transparency with the lottery is a little bit ugly.

So for those that try to claim that the band is not involved, that’s a ridiculous claim. They have made decisions to trust Ticketmaster, which is maximized the amount of 10 club members in need of tickets and now Fan 2 fan is not an option. TM has come up with a way to delete accounts with no due process. the band has been completely silent as f2f has been overtaken by tm and their scalpers for years now.

Merkin Baller

RatherStarved said:

RP123663 said:

RatherStarved said:

RP123663 said:

This idiotic disaster explains why the shows over the past couple years have been lacking energy and excitement. For one, the arenas are not jammed like in years past, people are leaving early even though the set lists are much shorter and the crowd consists of more random people and not fans.  The band is simply out of touch and thinks that people are just going to start following a band of 60 year old dudes.  That's just not the case.  Meanwhile, they are basically stealing from thousands of 10c members who now get absolutely nothing with their yearly membership.  It's green disease and they are chock full of it.

Well, if fan to fan isn’t a thing any more, the 10c membership becomes more valuable as a way to at least get in the door for face value.  So I wonder, are we sure 10c is unaware of this mess? Because the existence of the mess, though not caused by 10c, enhances the value prop of 10c.

That sound neat, but it doesn't matter if they only allot a handful of tix for 10c. When the band was in their absolute prime, it was much, much easier to score in the lottery.  Now they are playing 2/3 of their set lists and now more than ever, 10c members are getting shut out. There is zero value in the 10c.  

Setlist length is a different issue entirely.  Personally I find 25 songs pretty good considering their age and what other bands do.

The lottery is exactly that.  I know some people that got shut out, and others who hit everything they entered.  I hit about 50%.  There’s value in my opinion in having the opportunity to enter the draws.  Obviously if anyone doesn’t think so they can decide not to join or renew.

Yeah, IMO the set length is fine; sure, I would love 30+ songs a night again, but the shows I saw this year were phenomenal… I no longer care about the shortened set. 

BloodMeridian80

danofun said:

RP123663 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

Lol. There is no way in hell that there are more 10c tix now.  Not even close.  The fact is, there are many LESS 10c members now and the hit % is way less.  Do the math.  The fact is, 95% of the tickets are now scalped. The complete opposite of what the band wants you to believe.

Fact checkers would have a field day with this individual..

But hyperbole is so fun.

RP123663

Lerxst1992 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

In addition to no priority, it appears that the lottery is now winner takes all, where One winning draw entitles that member to have all of their requests filled with available tickets maximizing the number of club members with no winnings draws. So curious that this major change to the lottery process a few years ago coincided with the scalpers ability to defeat the f2f system that was only created to stop scalpers. This was the tool the band told us was designed to help us and have been silent for years as it’s been manipulated by tm and scalpers.

For our membership fees, we are not even entitled to know how the lottery is conducted anymore and why it appears that some fans get rewarded with many tickets and many fans get rewarded with zero tickets in the lottery. This has been ongoing for years, and the lack of transparency with the lottery is a little bit ugly.

So for those that try to claim that the band is not involved, that’s a ridiculous claim. They have made decisions to trust Ticketmaster, which is maximized the amount of 10 club members in need of tickets and now Fan 2 fan is not an option. TM has come up with a way to delete accounts with no due process. the band has been completely silent as f2f has been overtaken by tm and their scalpers for years now.

Amen. The blind ball washing of some individuals is nauseating.  Its crystal clear that the 10c has become nothing but a money grab.  The band has gone from being loyal to their fan base, to being enablers of a system that results in 95% scalping for their shows.  They pulled that stunt 30 years ago to try and claim they were against the big system monopolies, but every move they made since then has helped scalping and fucked over their fan base.  The 10c is just a funnel of cash that the band steals while providing zero return.  There is literally not a single thing of use from being in the 10c.

Merkin Baller

Lerxst1992 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

In addition to no priority, it appears that the lottery is now winner takes all, where One winning draw entitles that member to have all of their requests filled with available tickets maximizing the number of club members with no winnings draws. So curious that this major change to the lottery process a few years ago coincided with the scalpers ability to defeat the f2f system that was only created to stop scalpers. This was the tool the band told us was designed to help us and have been silent for years as it’s been manipulated by tm and scalpers.

My wife’s lottery results refute this theory… she put in for both Hollywood & Nashville shows… she got GA for Hollywood 1 & Reserved for Nashville 1. I can’t imagine Nashville 2 was sold out before Hollywood 1. 

Lerxst1992

RP123663 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

In addition to no priority, it appears that the lottery is now winner takes all, where One winning draw entitles that member to have all of their requests filled with available tickets maximizing the number of club members with no winnings draws. So curious that this major change to the lottery process a few years ago coincided with the scalpers ability to defeat the f2f system that was only created to stop scalpers. This was the tool the band told us was designed to help us and have been silent for years as it’s been manipulated by tm and scalpers.

For our membership fees, we are not even entitled to know how the lottery is conducted anymore and why it appears that some fans get rewarded with many tickets and many fans get rewarded with zero tickets in the lottery. This has been ongoing for years, and the lack of transparency with the lottery is a little bit ugly.

So for those that try to claim that the band is not involved, that’s a ridiculous claim. They have made decisions to trust Ticketmaster, which is maximized the amount of 10 club members in need of tickets and now Fan 2 fan is not an option. TM has come up with a way to delete accounts with no due process. the band has been completely silent as f2f has been overtaken by tm and their scalpers for years now.

Amen. The blind ball washing of some individuals is nauseating.  Its crystal clear that the 10c has become nothing but a money grab.  The band has gone from being loyal to their fan base, to being enablers of a system that results in 95% scalping for their shows.  They pulled that stunt 30 years ago to try and claim they were against the big system monopolies, but every move they made since then has helped scalping and fucked over their fan base.  The 10c is just a funnel of cash that the band steals while providing zero return.  There is literally not a single thing of use from being in the 10c.

At the very least, why can’t ten c tickets stay within the club? This seems to be a simple fix and something that should have been done two years ago once it became obvious the TM scalper defeat system of fan to fan was not effective. 

By doing nothing for years, the club has actually made it easier for scalpers to get resale tickets by forcing the only path for unusable club tickets onto a platform dominated by scalpers. 

Put a code on ten c tickets and give club members an exclusive resale window to buy them. Too simple, right?

Chrrie

RP123663 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

In addition to no priority, it appears that the lottery is now winner takes all, where One winning draw entitles that member to have all of their requests filled with available tickets maximizing the number of club members with no winnings draws. So curious that this major change to the lottery process a few years ago coincided with the scalpers ability to defeat the f2f system that was only created to stop scalpers. This was the tool the band told us was designed to help us and have been silent for years as it’s been manipulated by tm and scalpers.

For our membership fees, we are not even entitled to know how the lottery is conducted anymore and why it appears that some fans get rewarded with many tickets and many fans get rewarded with zero tickets in the lottery. This has been ongoing for years, and the lack of transparency with the lottery is a little bit ugly.

So for those that try to claim that the band is not involved, that’s a ridiculous claim. They have made decisions to trust Ticketmaster, which is maximized the amount of 10 club members in need of tickets and now Fan 2 fan is not an option. TM has come up with a way to delete accounts with no due process. the band has been completely silent as f2f has been overtaken by tm and their scalpers for years now.

Amen. The blind ball washing of some individuals is nauseating.  Its crystal clear that the 10c has become nothing but a money grab.  The band has gone from being loyal to their fan base, to being enablers of a system that results in 95% scalping for their shows.  They pulled that stunt 30 years ago to try and claim they were against the big system monopolies, but every move they made since then has helped scalping and fucked over their fan base.  The 10c is just a funnel of cash that the band steals while providing zero return.  There is literally not a single thing of use from being in the 10c.

I got GA to one of the shows I requested which at this point is worth approx $2400 according to Vivid Seats so that feels pretty useful 

craigraether

RP123663 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

In addition to no priority, it appears that the lottery is now winner takes all, where One winning draw entitles that member to have all of their requests filled with available tickets maximizing the number of club members with no winnings draws. So curious that this major change to the lottery process a few years ago coincided with the scalpers ability to defeat the f2f system that was only created to stop scalpers. This was the tool the band told us was designed to help us and have been silent for years as it’s been manipulated by tm and scalpers.

For our membership fees, we are not even entitled to know how the lottery is conducted anymore and why it appears that some fans get rewarded with many tickets and many fans get rewarded with zero tickets in the lottery. This has been ongoing for years, and the lack of transparency with the lottery is a little bit ugly.

So for those that try to claim that the band is not involved, that’s a ridiculous claim. They have made decisions to trust Ticketmaster, which is maximized the amount of 10 club members in need of tickets and now Fan 2 fan is not an option. TM has come up with a way to delete accounts with no due process. the band has been completely silent as f2f has been overtaken by tm and their scalpers for years now.

Amen. The blind ball washing of some individuals is nauseating.  Its crystal clear that the 10c has become nothing but a money grab.  The band has gone from being loyal to their fan base, to being enablers of a system that results in 95% scalping for their shows.  They pulled that stunt 30 years ago to try and claim they were against the big system monopolies, but every move they made since then has helped scalping and fucked over their fan base.  The 10c is just a funnel of cash that the band steals while providing zero return.  There is literally not a single thing of use from being in the 10c.

I didnt mean for this to devolve into a typical 10C forum bitch fest... Im looking for solutions. I have to have faith that PJ and 10c dont know or think we are exaggerating the situation in forum fashion. Reaching to people who need to be aware, expose the greed and hypocrisy, and force change. 

I have faith in band, and want to believe, at the very least im sure PJ would not want to be depicted at hypocrites as they are always brought up for 95 confrontation of TM when other bands (Swift) have ticket issues. Im sure the media, esp the right media would love to make PJ look bad considering their political views they express on-stage. 

Let's band together, and fix it. 

RP123663

Chrrie said:

RP123663 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

In addition to no priority, it appears that the lottery is now winner takes all, where One winning draw entitles that member to have all of their requests filled with available tickets maximizing the number of club members with no winnings draws. So curious that this major change to the lottery process a few years ago coincided with the scalpers ability to defeat the f2f system that was only created to stop scalpers. This was the tool the band told us was designed to help us and have been silent for years as it’s been manipulated by tm and scalpers.

For our membership fees, we are not even entitled to know how the lottery is conducted anymore and why it appears that some fans get rewarded with many tickets and many fans get rewarded with zero tickets in the lottery. This has been ongoing for years, and the lack of transparency with the lottery is a little bit ugly.

So for those that try to claim that the band is not involved, that’s a ridiculous claim. They have made decisions to trust Ticketmaster, which is maximized the amount of 10 club members in need of tickets and now Fan 2 fan is not an option. TM has come up with a way to delete accounts with no due process. the band has been completely silent as f2f has been overtaken by tm and their scalpers for years now.

Amen. The blind ball washing of some individuals is nauseating.  Its crystal clear that the 10c has become nothing but a money grab.  The band has gone from being loyal to their fan base, to being enablers of a system that results in 95% scalping for their shows.  They pulled that stunt 30 years ago to try and claim they were against the big system monopolies, but every move they made since then has helped scalping and fucked over their fan base.  The 10c is just a funnel of cash that the band steals while providing zero return.  There is literally not a single thing of use from being in the 10c.

I got GA to one of the shows I requested which at this point is worth approx $2400 according to Vivid Seats so that feels pretty useful 

Yep.  Very useful for scalping purposes.

Bottom line, the 10c is a useless money grab.  The "verified" presale was a colossal joke and the F2F is laughable.  F2F is simply 100% Fan to scalper.

nicknyr15

Chrrie said:

RP123663 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

In addition to no priority, it appears that the lottery is now winner takes all, where One winning draw entitles that member to have all of their requests filled with available tickets maximizing the number of club members with no winnings draws. So curious that this major change to the lottery process a few years ago coincided with the scalpers ability to defeat the f2f system that was only created to stop scalpers. This was the tool the band told us was designed to help us and have been silent for years as it’s been manipulated by tm and scalpers.

For our membership fees, we are not even entitled to know how the lottery is conducted anymore and why it appears that some fans get rewarded with many tickets and many fans get rewarded with zero tickets in the lottery. This has been ongoing for years, and the lack of transparency with the lottery is a little bit ugly.

So for those that try to claim that the band is not involved, that’s a ridiculous claim. They have made decisions to trust Ticketmaster, which is maximized the amount of 10 club members in need of tickets and now Fan 2 fan is not an option. TM has come up with a way to delete accounts with no due process. the band has been completely silent as f2f has been overtaken by tm and their scalpers for years now.

Amen. The blind ball washing of some individuals is nauseating.  Its crystal clear that the 10c has become nothing but a money grab.  The band has gone from being loyal to their fan base, to being enablers of a system that results in 95% scalping for their shows.  They pulled that stunt 30 years ago to try and claim they were against the big system monopolies, but every move they made since then has helped scalping and fucked over their fan base.  The 10c is just a funnel of cash that the band steals while providing zero return.  There is literally not a single thing of use from being in the 10c.

I got GA to one of the shows I requested which at this point is worth approx $2400 according to Vivid Seats so that feels pretty useful 

Between my wife and I we got tickets to both Florida shows, which seem to be the hardest due to venue size. So yea. Well worth it