F2F is OPEN

ally12

ekwipt said:

I’m not after Raleigh but just a suggestion for the drop and all others going forward:
DM the link to the first 5 (or less) people here who say they’re interested. Don’t post it publicly. Any non-members could be fishing these forums for links. It’s easy to start a DM for 5 or less people ahead of time then just copy, paste the link when it’s ready. 

This is a good idea, maybe a thread should be started after the holidays. 

- Grab the first 5 names 
- In the thread, indicate that the 5 names have been chosen and interest for those tickets is now closed. 
- In the DM to the chosen individuals, ask them if they are still interested. Give them the date/time that the link will be sent
- Day and time of the drop, send a  DM with the link.
- Members can only show interest in the same show 1x a day.
Seems time consuming  but hey what is the alternative.
 

It also gets fans to use their paid benefit of their membership and not use social media as much. A lot of scammers in the groups lately. 

Chrrie

EH14457 said:

1. Metrics - Ticketmaster can say they're doing something about bots, scalpers, etc... by highlighting the number of accounts they've shut down using new enforcement policies. Especially with the Taylor Swift lawsuit and all the recent noise about bots on TM, this is a sloppy bit of misdirection but it might check some boxes for them, especially with more lawsuits and congressional hearings on the horizon.

Maybe it’s spending 20 years in the corporate world but I think this is an excellent explanation for the recent refresh changes and why we’re seeing these accounts get blocked. I don’t know how much ongoing litigation they’re dealing with, but that plus being in the congressional spotlight means they have to take some performative measures to show they’re “doing their best to stay one step ahead of malicious actors”. They can whip out a colorful dashboard showing how many accounts they’ve banned YTD while the pipeline to the secondary markets is protected via the partner API. 

BloodMeridian80

RP123663 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

In addition to no priority, it appears that the lottery is now winner takes all, where One winning draw entitles that member to have all of their requests filled with available tickets maximizing the number of club members with no winnings draws. So curious that this major change to the lottery process a few years ago coincided with the scalpers ability to defeat the f2f system that was only created to stop scalpers. This was the tool the band told us was designed to help us and have been silent for years as it’s been manipulated by tm and scalpers.

For our membership fees, we are not even entitled to know how the lottery is conducted anymore and why it appears that some fans get rewarded with many tickets and many fans get rewarded with zero tickets in the lottery. This has been ongoing for years, and the lack of transparency with the lottery is a little bit ugly.

So for those that try to claim that the band is not involved, that’s a ridiculous claim. They have made decisions to trust Ticketmaster, which is maximized the amount of 10 club members in need of tickets and now Fan 2 fan is not an option. TM has come up with a way to delete accounts with no due process. the band has been completely silent as f2f has been overtaken by tm and their scalpers for years now.

Amen. The blind ball washing of some individuals is nauseating.  It’s crystal clear that the 10c has become nothing but a money grab.  The band has gone from being loyal to their fan base, to being enablers of a system that results in 95% scalping for their shows.  They pulled that stunt 30 years ago to try and claim they were against the big system monopolies, but every move they made since then has helped scalping and fucked over their fan base.  The 10c is just a funnel of cash that the band steals while providing zero return.  There is literally not a single thing of use from being in the 10c.

“I should have prefaced it by saying, my wife and I won 3 shows between us. It is very possible to win GA for multiple shows. I have won GA for 4 of the last 5 shows I put in for.”

Wait… who dis?

Chrrie

RP123663 said:

Chrrie said:

RP123663 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

In addition to no priority, it appears that the lottery is now winner takes all, where One winning draw entitles that member to have all of their requests filled with available tickets maximizing the number of club members with no winnings draws. So curious that this major change to the lottery process a few years ago coincided with the scalpers ability to defeat the f2f system that was only created to stop scalpers. This was the tool the band told us was designed to help us and have been silent for years as it’s been manipulated by tm and scalpers.

For our membership fees, we are not even entitled to know how the lottery is conducted anymore and why it appears that some fans get rewarded with many tickets and many fans get rewarded with zero tickets in the lottery. This has been ongoing for years, and the lack of transparency with the lottery is a little bit ugly.

So for those that try to claim that the band is not involved, that’s a ridiculous claim. They have made decisions to trust Ticketmaster, which is maximized the amount of 10 club members in need of tickets and now Fan 2 fan is not an option. TM has come up with a way to delete accounts with no due process. the band has been completely silent as f2f has been overtaken by tm and their scalpers for years now.

Amen. The blind ball washing of some individuals is nauseating.  Its crystal clear that the 10c has become nothing but a money grab.  The band has gone from being loyal to their fan base, to being enablers of a system that results in 95% scalping for their shows.  They pulled that stunt 30 years ago to try and claim they were against the big system monopolies, but every move they made since then has helped scalping and fucked over their fan base.  The 10c is just a funnel of cash that the band steals while providing zero return.  There is literally not a single thing of use from being in the 10c.

I got GA to one of the shows I requested which at this point is worth approx $2400 according to Vivid Seats so that feels pretty useful 

Yep.  Very useful for scalping purposes.

Bottom line, the 10c is a useless money grab.  The "verified" presale was a colossal joke and the F2F is laughable.  F2F is simply 100% Fan to scalper.

I apologize if you got totally shut out with your ticket request because that’s a shitty hand to get dealt, but given the decline of F2F, the 10c lottery and thus a 10c membership has never been as valuable as it is now if what you want is to pay face value to get into a show. Even moreso if you want GA or can get really good seats because of seniority. 

KJ228171

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

In addition to no priority, it appears that the lottery is now winner takes all, where One winning draw entitles that member to have all of their requests filled with available tickets maximizing the number of club members with no winnings draws. So curious that this major change to the lottery process a few years ago coincided with the scalpers ability to defeat the f2f system that was only created to stop scalpers. This was the tool the band told us was designed to help us and have been silent for years as it’s been manipulated by tm and scalpers.

My wife’s lottery results refute this theory… she put in for both Hollywood & Nashville shows… she got GA for Hollywood 1 & Reserved for Nashville 1. I can’t imagine Nashville 2 was sold out before Hollywood 1. 

GA is a lottery within the lottery. In essence she won twice for FL1 and once for NASH1 and lost twice for FL2 and NASH2.

KJ228171

Delete Dup

Shaindli1

In the era of social media it's super easy to connect with certain band members and politely tell them what is going on. I don't think they will be indifferent. I think they genuinely care. 

EH14457

Let's not derail this thread into a 10c Lottery bitchfest. 

Particularly with the previous lottery (2023-2024), there was some anecdotal evidence that the lottery pipeline was handled a bit sloppily, and consequently it was a bit of rags vs riches. But even if the results were skewed, I could easily attribute that to poor design over malice. And I've seen 0 evidence that the type of disparity we saw last tour repeated again for 2025. If there even was an issue,  it seems 10c addressed it.

Would I love show priority, a cap on entries, or something to make results more equitable? Sure. But 10c choosing not to do any of those things isn't malicious. It's just a choice, one that lets them leverage existing infrastructure rather than building and maintaining a bespoke ticketing solution.

Ticketmaster on the other hand is blatantly engaging in deceptive practices. They're hiding behind the guise of a fan-friendly face value ticket exchange when in reality they've rigged the system to ensure that any tickets listed significantly below market value will get resold for a markup through partner channels, netting them at least a portion of the profit they claim to be leaving on the table. And again, there are only 2 possibilities here as far as the artists are concerned:

1. The artists are aware of the deception and agree to it because they're also getting a portion of resold tickets on the back end.
2. The artists are not aware of the deception, and they are also being short-changed as they're losing out on the rightful artist cut of a dynamically priced ticket.

The idealist in me really wants to believe #2. And if that's the case, it should be relatively easy to get artists on board with pushing TM for more transparency. Talk to the fans, have the fans plead with the artists, have the artists take up the fight.

At minimum, TM should provide artists (or an independent party) with a full audit of any face value tickets sold to shows, so that management can see what % of those tickets end up in broker sites. Ideally though, TM would agree to make that full audit of face value tickets public for any show.

And regardless, this charade of banning real humans who are refreshing the page too much needs to stop. Ticketmaster's market cap is nearly $20B. Their infrastructure's not held together with sticks and bubble gum. If any legitimate number of humans changing filters more than once every 3 seconds is a problem for them, they have bigger problems than trying to ban said humans.

craigraether

The thing I have remind myself is that the shows are still 4/5 - 5 months away.. The secondary market can only support so much inventory and third parties will have tighten up their targeted tickets. Just like in 2023 when we first started seeing tickets ending up on secondary sites, first it was the whole venue. We had to fight for every ticket. ( We did win some) .. Then it was GA, Floor and 100s, that would get snagged. Then it was GA, Floor and wings... Then GA, Floor. ...and Finally GA.. and off.. So it's not hopeless and we need to wait it out. It's still discouraging esp for PJ fans that plan their travels and want things all in hand ASAP.  There are only so many people willing to pay those prices, and in this economy how and where money is spent is more thought out then tours past. 

One more factor, I believe there are 1000s tickets that are not even up for sale. At some point all those tickets will either trickle in, or all show up at once. I recall Vancouver in 2024, where both show were sold out only to have the whole back of the 100s and lots of uppers show up and many left unsold. When the pre-sale ended 1000s of 200/300 seats ar ATL/NASH1/Ral2 vanished.. 

Spurs14

Lerxst1992 said:

At the very least, why can’t ten c tickets stay within the club? This seems to be a simple fix and something that should have been done two years ago once it became obvious the TM scalper defeat system of fan to fan was not effective.

100%.  It can't be that hard or time consuming to write code to do this.

100 Pacer

Lerxst1992 said:

RP123663 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

In addition to no priority, it appears that the lottery is now winner takes all, where One winning draw entitles that member to have all of their requests filled with available tickets maximizing the number of club members with no winnings draws. So curious that this major change to the lottery process a few years ago coincided with the scalpers ability to defeat the f2f system that was only created to stop scalpers. This was the tool the band told us was designed to help us and have been silent for years as it’s been manipulated by tm and scalpers.

For our membership fees, we are not even entitled to know how the lottery is conducted anymore and why it appears that some fans get rewarded with many tickets and many fans get rewarded with zero tickets in the lottery. This has been ongoing for years, and the lack of transparency with the lottery is a little bit ugly.

So for those that try to claim that the band is not involved, that’s a ridiculous claim. They have made decisions to trust Ticketmaster, which is maximized the amount of 10 club members in need of tickets and now Fan 2 fan is not an option. TM has come up with a way to delete accounts with no due process. the band has been completely silent as f2f has been overtaken by tm and their scalpers for years now.

Amen. The blind ball washing of some individuals is nauseating.  Its crystal clear that the 10c has become nothing but a money grab.  The band has gone from being loyal to their fan base, to being enablers of a system that results in 95% scalping for their shows.  They pulled that stunt 30 years ago to try and claim they were against the big system monopolies, but every move they made since then has helped scalping and fucked over their fan base.  The 10c is just a funnel of cash that the band steals while providing zero return.  There is literally not a single thing of use from being in the 10c.

At the very least, why can’t ten c tickets stay within the club? This seems to be a simple fix and something that should have been done two years ago once it became obvious the TM scalper defeat system of fan to fan was not effective. 

By doing nothing for years, the club has actually made it easier for scalpers to get resale tickets by forcing the only path for unusable club tickets onto a platform dominated by scalpers. 

Put a code on ten c tickets and give club members an exclusive resale window to buy them. Too simple, right?

10C isn’t handling ticket sales because the band sells the tour to LiveNation, the promoter, who offers a guarantee and takes over production. The band assures an allotment to the fan club while balancing costs with Premium offering. The band has no reason to switch their business model.

JeBurkhardt

RP123663 said:

Chrrie said:

RP123663 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

In addition to no priority, it appears that the lottery is now winner takes all, where One winning draw entitles that member to have all of their requests filled with available tickets maximizing the number of club members with no winnings draws. So curious that this major change to the lottery process a few years ago coincided with the scalpers ability to defeat the f2f system that was only created to stop scalpers. This was the tool the band told us was designed to help us and have been silent for years as it’s been manipulated by tm and scalpers.

For our membership fees, we are not even entitled to know how the lottery is conducted anymore and why it appears that some fans get rewarded with many tickets and many fans get rewarded with zero tickets in the lottery. This has been ongoing for years, and the lack of transparency with the lottery is a little bit ugly.

So for those that try to claim that the band is not involved, that’s a ridiculous claim. They have made decisions to trust Ticketmaster, which is maximized the amount of 10 club members in need of tickets and now Fan 2 fan is not an option. TM has come up with a way to delete accounts with no due process. the band has been completely silent as f2f has been overtaken by tm and their scalpers for years now.

Amen. The blind ball washing of some individuals is nauseating.  Its crystal clear that the 10c has become nothing but a money grab.  The band has gone from being loyal to their fan base, to being enablers of a system that results in 95% scalping for their shows.  They pulled that stunt 30 years ago to try and claim they were against the big system monopolies, but every move they made since then has helped scalping and fucked over their fan base.  The 10c is just a funnel of cash that the band steals while providing zero return.  There is literally not a single thing of use from being in the 10c.

I got GA to one of the shows I requested which at this point is worth approx $2400 according to Vivid Seats so that feels pretty useful 

Yep.  Very useful for scalping purposes.

Bottom line, the 10c is a useless money grab.  The "verified" presale was a colossal joke and the F2F is laughable.  F2F is simply 100% Fan to scalper.

Not true. I was able to get tickets to both Nashville shows in the presale. They were seats that many on here would turn their nose up at as beneath them, but I will be at the shows enjoying every song. 

Lerxst1992

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

In addition to no priority, it appears that the lottery is now winner takes all, where One winning draw entitles that member to have all of their requests filled with available tickets maximizing the number of club members with no winnings draws. So curious that this major change to the lottery process a few years ago coincided with the scalpers ability to defeat the f2f system that was only created to stop scalpers. This was the tool the band told us was designed to help us and have been silent for years as it’s been manipulated by tm and scalpers.

My wife’s lottery results refute this theory… she put in for both Hollywood & Nashville shows… she got GA for Hollywood 1 & Reserved for Nashville 1. I can’t imagine Nashville 2 was sold out before Hollywood 1. 

She won 2 of 4 (congrats!) while plenty of fans got shut out completely, to me this proves my theory “somewhat.” The lottery is supposed to create a level playing field for ticket access, and since the priority elimination (and concurrently eliminated lottery transparency) more fans are getting shut out while others win show after show. Point is, we are paying for lottery, therefore it should be a fully transparent process, that’s on the fan club that it is not.

Not only should it be transparent, they should be disclosing exactly how fans can maximize odds to get at least one show. If they are not trying to get as many unique fan club members into shows, then WTF is the purpose of the club?

Lerxst1992

100 Pacer said:

Lerxst1992 said:

RP123663 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

In addition to no priority, it appears that the lottery is now winner takes all, where One winning draw entitles that member to have all of their requests filled with available tickets maximizing the number of club members with no winnings draws. So curious that this major change to the lottery process a few years ago coincided with the scalpers ability to defeat the f2f system that was only created to stop scalpers. This was the tool the band told us was designed to help us and have been silent for years as it’s been manipulated by tm and scalpers.

For our membership fees, we are not even entitled to know how the lottery is conducted anymore and why it appears that some fans get rewarded with many tickets and many fans get rewarded with zero tickets in the lottery. This has been ongoing for years, and the lack of transparency with the lottery is a little bit ugly.

So for those that try to claim that the band is not involved, that’s a ridiculous claim. They have made decisions to trust Ticketmaster, which is maximized the amount of 10 club members in need of tickets and now Fan 2 fan is not an option. TM has come up with a way to delete accounts with no due process. the band has been completely silent as f2f has been overtaken by tm and their scalpers for years now.

Amen. The blind ball washing of some individuals is nauseating.  Its crystal clear that the 10c has become nothing but a money grab.  The band has gone from being loyal to their fan base, to being enablers of a system that results in 95% scalping for their shows.  They pulled that stunt 30 years ago to try and claim they were against the big system monopolies, but every move they made since then has helped scalping and fucked over their fan base.  The 10c is just a funnel of cash that the band steals while providing zero return.  There is literally not a single thing of use from being in the 10c.

At the very least, why can’t ten c tickets stay within the club? This seems to be a simple fix and something that should have been done two years ago once it became obvious the TM scalper defeat system of fan to fan was not effective. 

By doing nothing for years, the club has actually made it easier for scalpers to get resale tickets by forcing the only path for unusable club tickets onto a platform dominated by scalpers. 

Put a code on ten c tickets and give club members an exclusive resale window to buy them. Too simple, right?

10C isn’t handling ticket sales because the band sells the tour to LiveNation, the promoter, who offers a guarantee and takes over production. The band assures an allotment to the fan club while balancing costs with Premium offering. The band has no reason to switch their business model.

Sure they do, they represent to their fans that they are combatting scalping, and trying to get fan club members into shows at face value. This comment is not in any way related to premium, it’s about ten club tickets leaving the club and getting to scalpers via the failed fan to fan experiment. Do I really need to copy their verbiage to prove this is their goal in ticket distribution ?

All reasonable efforts should be made to ensure  ten c tix should remain in the club. If folks need to go to extraordinary efforts such as contacting attorneys, this should be a repeated message to the band.

Lerxst1992

EH14457 said:

Let's not derail this thread into a 10c Lottery bitchfest. 

Particularly with the previous lottery (2023-2024), there was some anecdotal evidence that the lottery pipeline was handled a bit sloppily, and consequently it was a bit of rags vs riches. But even if the results were skewed, I could easily attribute that to poor design over malice. And I've seen 0 evidence that the type of disparity we saw last tour repeated again for 2025. If there even was an issue,  it seems 10c addressed it.

Would I love show priority, a cap on entries, or something to make results more equitable? Sure. But 10c choosing not to do any of those things isn't malicious. It's just a choice, one that lets them leverage existing infrastructure rather than building and maintaining a bespoke ticketing solution.

Ticketmaster on the other hand is blatantly engaging in deceptive practices. They're hiding behind the guise of a fan-friendly face value ticket exchange when in reality they've rigged the system to ensure that any tickets listed significantly below market value will get resold for a markup through partner channels, netting them at least a portion of the profit they claim to be leaving on the table. And again, there are only 2 possibilities here as far as the artists are concerned:

1. The artists are aware of the deception and agree to it because they're also getting a portion of resold tickets on the back end.
2. The artists are not aware of the deception, and they are also being short-changed as they're losing out on the rightful artist cut of a dynamically priced ticket.

The idealist in me really wants to believe #2. And if that's the case, it should be relatively easy to get artists on board with pushing TM for more transparency. Talk to the fans, have the fans plead with the artists, have the artists take up the fight.

At minimum, TM should provide artists (or an independent party) with a full audit of any face value tickets sold to shows, so that management can see what % of those tickets end up in broker sites. Ideally though, TM would agree to make that full audit of face value tickets public for any show.

And regardless, this charade of banning real humans who are refreshing the page too much needs to stop. Ticketmaster's market cap is nearly $20B. Their infrastructure's not held together with sticks and bubble gum. If any legitimate number of humans changing filters more than once every 3 seconds is a problem for them, they have bigger problems than trying to ban said humans.

Unfortunately the lottery is a key component in the ticket sale process therefore impossible to ignore and it is a contribution to the supply and demand issues. What is malicious is the band has taken many steps that impact supply and demand (setting the rules) AND has completely entrusted TM with  most aspects of the ticket process (execution of the rules ) with zero oversight. 

I agree evidence of lottery impropriety is anecdotal, but that’s on the band, we pay for lottery and the process should be transparent. Since the lottery is apparently creating additional demand with so many shut out, it’s more than curious that TM came up with these fan to fan restrictions that hurt real fans but do not seem to be slowing down scalpers.

They say repeatedly every tour they are fighting scalping yet so many on here want to absolve them of that promise.

Keeping fan club tickets in the club on resale should be simple to accomplish within minutes of effort. Since the band can’t be bothered to at least be aware of this problem, that tells us what we need to know.

 

Weston1283

Lerxst1992 said:

100 Pacer said:

Lerxst1992 said:

RP123663 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

In addition to no priority, it appears that the lottery is now winner takes all, where One winning draw entitles that member to have all of their requests filled with available tickets maximizing the number of club members with no winnings draws. So curious that this major change to the lottery process a few years ago coincided with the scalpers ability to defeat the f2f system that was only created to stop scalpers. This was the tool the band told us was designed to help us and have been silent for years as it’s been manipulated by tm and scalpers.

For our membership fees, we are not even entitled to know how the lottery is conducted anymore and why it appears that some fans get rewarded with many tickets and many fans get rewarded with zero tickets in the lottery. This has been ongoing for years, and the lack of transparency with the lottery is a little bit ugly.

So for those that try to claim that the band is not involved, that’s a ridiculous claim. They have made decisions to trust Ticketmaster, which is maximized the amount of 10 club members in need of tickets and now Fan 2 fan is not an option. TM has come up with a way to delete accounts with no due process. the band has been completely silent as f2f has been overtaken by tm and their scalpers for years now.

Amen. The blind ball washing of some individuals is nauseating.  Its crystal clear that the 10c has become nothing but a money grab.  The band has gone from being loyal to their fan base, to being enablers of a system that results in 95% scalping for their shows.  They pulled that stunt 30 years ago to try and claim they were against the big system monopolies, but every move they made since then has helped scalping and fucked over their fan base.  The 10c is just a funnel of cash that the band steals while providing zero return.  There is literally not a single thing of use from being in the 10c.

At the very least, why can’t ten c tickets stay within the club? This seems to be a simple fix and something that should have been done two years ago once it became obvious the TM scalper defeat system of fan to fan was not effective. 

By doing nothing for years, the club has actually made it easier for scalpers to get resale tickets by forcing the only path for unusable club tickets onto a platform dominated by scalpers. 

Put a code on ten c tickets and give club members an exclusive resale window to buy them. Too simple, right?

10C isn’t handling ticket sales because the band sells the tour to LiveNation, the promoter, who offers a guarantee and takes over production. The band assures an allotment to the fan club while balancing costs with Premium offering. The band has no reason to switch their business model.

Sure they do, they represent to their fans that they are combatting scalping, and trying to get fan club members into shows at face value. This comment is not in any way related to premium, it’s about ten club tickets leaving the club and getting to scalpers via the failed fan to fan experiment. Do I really need to copy their verbiage to prove this is their goal in ticket distribution ?

All reasonable efforts should be made to ensure  ten c tix should remain in the club. If folks need to go to extraordinary efforts such as contacting attorneys, this should be a repeated message to the band.

I think it goes back to the comment of how many things in the corporate world are generalized “practices” that are often in place which don’t accomplish much more than “oh yes we definitely do that!” If ever confronted 

It sounds like the promoter says to the band “Ok, 10C gets the GA pit and 50% of the other seats” and the band says “yay great thanks!”.  They feel good about themselves for protecting fan club tickets and that’s the end of it.  I think that’s the extent to which they care about ticketing at this point.  If they cared any more than that, it wouldn’t be 100% outsourced, especially since they had a previous 10C ran, priority and will call only setup. 

100 Pacer

Weston1283 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

100 Pacer said:

Lerxst1992 said:

RP123663 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

The reality is there are more 10club tix now than before. The problem is there isn’t priority and many entered for most/all shows with idea they’d just sell extra tickets back to fans on f2f. Everyone/entity games systems. They should bring priority back.

In addition to no priority, it appears that the lottery is now winner takes all, where One winning draw entitles that member to have all of their requests filled with available tickets maximizing the number of club members with no winnings draws. So curious that this major change to the lottery process a few years ago coincided with the scalpers ability to defeat the f2f system that was only created to stop scalpers. This was the tool the band told us was designed to help us and have been silent for years as it’s been manipulated by tm and scalpers.

For our membership fees, we are not even entitled to know how the lottery is conducted anymore and why it appears that some fans get rewarded with many tickets and many fans get rewarded with zero tickets in the lottery. This has been ongoing for years, and the lack of transparency with the lottery is a little bit ugly.

So for those that try to claim that the band is not involved, that’s a ridiculous claim. They have made decisions to trust Ticketmaster, which is maximized the amount of 10 club members in need of tickets and now Fan 2 fan is not an option. TM has come up with a way to delete accounts with no due process. the band has been completely silent as f2f has been overtaken by tm and their scalpers for years now.

Amen. The blind ball washing of some individuals is nauseating.  Its crystal clear that the 10c has become nothing but a money grab.  The band has gone from being loyal to their fan base, to being enablers of a system that results in 95% scalping for their shows.  They pulled that stunt 30 years ago to try and claim they were against the big system monopolies, but every move they made since then has helped scalping and fucked over their fan base.  The 10c is just a funnel of cash that the band steals while providing zero return.  There is literally not a single thing of use from being in the 10c.

At the very least, why can’t ten c tickets stay within the club? This seems to be a simple fix and something that should have been done two years ago once it became obvious the TM scalper defeat system of fan to fan was not effective. 

By doing nothing for years, the club has actually made it easier for scalpers to get resale tickets by forcing the only path for unusable club tickets onto a platform dominated by scalpers. 

Put a code on ten c tickets and give club members an exclusive resale window to buy them. Too simple, right?

10C isn’t handling ticket sales because the band sells the tour to LiveNation, the promoter, who offers a guarantee and takes over production. The band assures an allotment to the fan club while balancing costs with Premium offering. The band has no reason to switch their business model.

Sure they do, they represent to their fans that they are combatting scalping, and trying to get fan club members into shows at face value. This comment is not in any way related to premium, it’s about ten club tickets leaving the club and getting to scalpers via the failed fan to fan experiment. Do I really need to copy their verbiage to prove this is their goal in ticket distribution ?

All reasonable efforts should be made to ensure  ten c tix should remain in the club. If folks need to go to extraordinary efforts such as contacting attorneys, this should be a repeated message to the band.

I think it goes back to the comment of how many things in the corporate world are generalized “practices” that are often in place which don’t accomplish much more than “oh yes we definitely do that!” If ever confronted 

It sounds like the promoter says to the band “Ok, 10C gets the GA pit and 50% of the other seats” and the band says “yay great thanks!”.  They feel good about themselves for protecting fan club tickets and that’s the end of it.  I think that’s the extent to which they care about ticketing at this point.  If they cared any more than that, it wouldn’t be 100% outsourced, especially since they had a previous 10C ran, priority and will call only setup. 

Previously they dealt with the headaches and fallout of running things on their own but technology has since improved. It’s not a question of care. In the year 2024 if my business had to process 25,000 or 50,000 or 100,000 entries to select, verify, charge, and process successful ticket requests in the span of 24-48 hours and there was an organization with the infrastructure in place to do so at lower cost and fewer headaches I would outsource as well.

ally12

How much refreshing is a red flag, I have been on all day and no warning. Are people refreshing every 2-3 minutes? 

GlowGirl

ally12 said:

How much refreshing is a red flag, I have been on all day and no warning. Are people refreshing every 2-3 minutes? 

Every 2-3 minutes should be ok. But you might not get a warning. One time you will refresh and you will get the “your account has been paused message” just popping up. 

Unfortunately, many of us have realized over years of doing F2F that you have to refresh multiple times a minute to even have a slight chance of scoring a ticket. So that is the problem. 

ally12

GlowGirl said:

ally12 said:

How much refreshing is a red flag, I have been on all day and no warning. Are people refreshing every 2-3 minutes? 

Every 2-3 minutes should be ok. But you might not get a warning. One time you will refresh and you will get the “your account has been paused message” just popping up. 

Unfortunately, many of us have realized over years of doing F2F that you have to refresh multiple times a minute to even have a slight chance of scoring a ticket. So that is the problem. 

Ahh ok, it’s the aggressive F5. Right now there isn’t much on there. I guess I’ll keep trying.