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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,513
    Go Beavers said:
    Thinking that people view Harris as an amazing candidate might be a misperception. Sure, some do, but mostly I think she’s viewed as having better odds at beating Trump, so there’s excitement from that. 
    She’s a better human being. And normal. I’m excited for continuing the normalcy.
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  • lindamarie73
    lindamarie73 Posts: 491
    cincybearcat said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Kat said:
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    True. Remind me again who wanted to defund the police?

    there comes a time when no matter how bad Trump is liberals have to own their own messes as well. 
    Please remind us what "defund the police" actually means. 
    Oh I know what it means. I also know talking about it while criminals loot and destroy property is fucking stupid and only encourages it.

    i can be aligned to some of the thought process, but continually making excuses for criminals and their behavior is an issue.



    what? who is making excuses for criminals?

    YOU threw out an insult at Dems for wanted to "defund the police" which was a term that was morphed into a different definition. You say that you know what it means yet you are continuing the tangent that dems seem to want criminals to do whatever they want?
    So...Kamala and other Dems supported the call for "defund the police".  While in reality what many meant was a redistribution of the $ spent on various activities that we expect police to handle (mental illness, etc) to other organizations and ways of dealing with these situations in the streets vs having to rely on untrained police to handle a lot of very specific, difficult situations.  Makes a lot of sense on the surface.

    However, by being vocally for it during a time of riots was extremely irresponsible by the Dems that were.  It was used as an excuse for criminal behavior (riots).  These situations were very similar to the later Jan 6th riot, and politicians keep fooling themselves that they can have a different take on each and not be a hypocrite. 

    Just like Trump and his idiots MAGA stoked the fire that lit up Jan 6th, many Dems own that for the riots after George Floyd. 

    It's pretty weird to me that everything dems do is met with praise on this board...no ownership for failed policies or lack of action.  It's also weird to me that Kamala went from someone Dems didn't even have in their top 4 to be president, had been mostly invisible as VP is now seen as some amazing candidate.  I suppose it's a good thing since Trump needs to lose, but it's some crazy mob mentality...not to the level of MAGA for sure, but still really weird.
    Hmmm, some might say the support is CULT like!!  But ya know, the rotten brains always know what’s 4 the country….Fucking Hypocrites!!!  Don’t you worry, Kam Kam with find a way to BLOW IT…..
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,303
    lindamarie73 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Kat said:
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    True. Remind me again who wanted to defund the police?

    there comes a time when no matter how bad Trump is liberals have to own their own messes as well. 
    Please remind us what "defund the police" actually means. 
    Oh I know what it means. I also know talking about it while criminals loot and destroy property is fucking stupid and only encourages it.

    i can be aligned to some of the thought process, but continually making excuses for criminals and their behavior is an issue.



    what? who is making excuses for criminals?

    YOU threw out an insult at Dems for wanted to "defund the police" which was a term that was morphed into a different definition. You say that you know what it means yet you are continuing the tangent that dems seem to want criminals to do whatever they want?
    So...Kamala and other Dems supported the call for "defund the police".  While in reality what many meant was a redistribution of the $ spent on various activities that we expect police to handle (mental illness, etc) to other organizations and ways of dealing with these situations in the streets vs having to rely on untrained police to handle a lot of very specific, difficult situations.  Makes a lot of sense on the surface.

    However, by being vocally for it during a time of riots was extremely irresponsible by the Dems that were.  It was used as an excuse for criminal behavior (riots).  These situations were very similar to the later Jan 6th riot, and politicians keep fooling themselves that they can have a different take on each and not be a hypocrite. 

    Just like Trump and his idiots MAGA stoked the fire that lit up Jan 6th, many Dems own that for the riots after George Floyd. 

    It's pretty weird to me that everything dems do is met with praise on this board...no ownership for failed policies or lack of action.  It's also weird to me that Kamala went from someone Dems didn't even have in their top 4 to be president, had been mostly invisible as VP is now seen as some amazing candidate.  I suppose it's a good thing since Trump needs to lose, but it's some crazy mob mentality...not to the level of MAGA for sure, but still really weird.
    Hmmm, some might say the support is CULT like!!  But ya know, the rotten brains always know what’s 4 the country….Fucking Hypocrites!!!  Don’t you worry, Kam Kam with find a way to BLOW IT…..
    nobody here has kamala as their avatar, so no, not a cult.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • lindamarie73
    lindamarie73 Posts: 491
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    lindamarie73 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Kat said:
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    True. Remind me again who wanted to defund the police?

    there comes a time when no matter how bad Trump is liberals have to own their own messes as well. 
    Please remind us what "defund the police" actually means. 
    Oh I know what it means. I also know talking about it while criminals loot and destroy property is fucking stupid and only encourages it.

    i can be aligned to some of the thought process, but continually making excuses for criminals and their behavior is an issue.



    what? who is making excuses for criminals?

    YOU threw out an insult at Dems for wanted to "defund the police" which was a term that was morphed into a different definition. You say that you know what it means yet you are continuing the tangent that dems seem to want criminals to do whatever they want?
    So...Kamala and other Dems supported the call for "defund the police".  While in reality what many meant was a redistribution of the $ spent on various activities that we expect police to handle (mental illness, etc) to other organizations and ways of dealing with these situations in the streets vs having to rely on untrained police to handle a lot of very specific, difficult situations.  Makes a lot of sense on the surface.

    However, by being vocally for it during a time of riots was extremely irresponsible by the Dems that were.  It was used as an excuse for criminal behavior (riots).  These situations were very similar to the later Jan 6th riot, and politicians keep fooling themselves that they can have a different take on each and not be a hypocrite. 

    Just like Trump and his idiots MAGA stoked the fire that lit up Jan 6th, many Dems own that for the riots after George Floyd. 

    It's pretty weird to me that everything dems do is met with praise on this board...no ownership for failed policies or lack of action.  It's also weird to me that Kamala went from someone Dems didn't even have in their top 4 to be president, had been mostly invisible as VP is now seen as some amazing candidate.  I suppose it's a good thing since Trump needs to lose, but it's some crazy mob mentality...not to the level of MAGA for sure, but still really weird.
    Hmmm, some might say the support is CULT like!!  But ya know, the rotten brains always know what’s 4 the country….Fucking Hypocrites!!!  Don’t you worry, Kam Kam with find a way to BLOW IT…..
    nobody here has kamala as their avatar, so no, not a cult.
    Lol….Great standard there…yikes 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,513
    These two bozos should have been defunded and the resources reallocated to a mental health response team, similar to what the FALLEN city of Seattle has done. But you know, who cares? I hope nobody here has a loved one who suffers from mental illness and has to call 911. There’s body cam footage of the cop shooting her in the face after making a disparaging remark but I’m not watching or posting it.

    In 911 call day before shooting, Sonya Massey’s mom pleaded: Don’t hurt her 

    Newly obtained recordings show that local law enforcement knew of Massey and that her mother had asked 911, “Please don’t send no combative policemen that are prejudiced.”

    The day before Sonya Massey was shot and killed by a sheriff’s deputy in Illinois, her mother called 911 seeking help. She said Massey washaving a mental breakdown — and she implored law enforcement officers not to harm her daughter, newly released 911 recordings show.

    “I don’t want you guys to hurt her, please,” Donna Massey said around 9 a.m. on July 5.

    When the dispatcher told her help was on the way to her daughter’s Springfield, Ill., home, she replied: “Thank you, and please don’t send no combative policemen that are prejudiced — please.”

    “They just do their job, okay?” the dispatcher responded.

    “They’re scary. I’m scared of the police,” Donna Massey said.

    He replied, “There’s nothing to be fearful of, ma’am.”

    About 16 hours later, Sonya Massey, a 36-year-old Black mother of two, called 911 to report an alleged prowler at her house. She was fatally shot by a responding sheriff’s deputy, body-camera footage showed.

    The 911 calls and law enforcement reports — released Wednesday by Sangamon County’s dispatch agency in response to public records requests — outline a series of interactions between Massey and law enforcement in the 24 hours before her death.

    The records indicate that local law enforcement knew who Massey was before July 6 and had been advised that she was having mental health issues, though whether the responding deputies had that information was not clear. The Springfield Police Department also reported that Massey had interacted with a local mental health crisis service at least three times in the two weeks before the shooting, a sheriff’s deputy noted in one of the newly released documents.

    James Wilburn, Massey’s father, said in an interview Wednesday that he believes the records from July 5 demonstrate that law enforcement knew or should have known that his daughter had mental health problems. (Donna Massey could not be reached for comment.)

    “I can’t for the life of me understand why they didn’t realize that beforehand and why they could not do anything to help her,” Wilburn told The Washington Post.

    Listen

    Massey's mother calls 911

    The case has caused a national uproar and revived questions about how law enforcement polices Black communities and responds to people going through mental health crises. Sangamon County sheriff’s deputy Sean Grayson, 30, was charged with first-degree murder in the shooting.

    “She needed a helping hand,” civil rights attorney Ben Crump, who is representing Massey’s family, told The Post Wednesday. “She didn’t need a bullet to the face.”

    Grayson has pleaded not guilty. His lawyer, Daniel Fultz, declined to comment.

    The sheriff’s office did not respond to questions from The Post about whether Grayson and the other responding deputy on July 6 were aware of the previous calls from Massey’s residence.

    County Sheriff Jack Campbell said at a community meeting Monday night that his office had failed Massey and her family.

    She called for help, and we failed her. That’s all she did: call for help,” he said. “We failed. We did not do our jobs.”

    In the weeks leading up to the shooting, Massey had been struggling with her mental health, according to her family and law enforcement records.

    Her children had been staying with other family members while she sought treatment; her 17-year-old son, Malachi Massey, said she had checked into a facility but had returned after two days. He said he had been trying to help her get back into treatment.

    In her 911 call the morning of July 5, Donna Massey told the dispatcher that her daughter was acting “sporadic,” according to the recording. She described her daughter as becoming paranoid when upset but assured the dispatcher that Massey wasn’t a danger to herself or others, according to the recording.

    She said the “mental people” had advised her to call 911 because she was worried her daughter might try to drive and could have an accident. (It was not immediately clear to whom she was referring, but the records indicated Massey had previously used the local mental health crisis service.)

    After Massey’s mother said she didn’t want the police to hurt her daughter, she told the dispatcher she thought police sometimes made things worse.

    An ambulance was dispatched immediately after Massey’s mother’s call. In a report, a Springfield police officer logged at 10:12 a.m. that he had spoken with Massey and said she had been “cleared” by emergency responders.

    An unidentified person at the house told the officer that Massey wasn’t a danger to herself or others, according to the report, as Donna Massey had told the dispatcher that morning.

    Less than three hours later, a woman law enforcement suspected was Massey called 911, according to a second report. The woman didn’t identify herself but was shouting about her neighbor, which prompted a 911 dispatcher to call her back. A sheriff’s deputy then went to Massey’s house, the report shows.

    He found her car window broken, which Massey had accused her neighbor of doing. She left and went to the hospital, where the deputy met her. She allegedly told him that she had broken her own car window trying “to get into the car to get away” and was going to get treated for cuts from the broken glass.

    The deputy noted that she “appeared to be having some [mental] issues,” using a law enforcement abbreviation for someone in mental distress.

    That was just before 2:30 p.m. It was 12:49 a.m. when Massey next contacted 911.

    Though it was not clear how much of the information about Massey’s mental health had been conveyed to the two deputies who showed up at her house around 1 a.m., Grayson asked Massey at one point after arriving at her house whether she was “doing all right mentally.”

    About three minutes later, he pulled his gun.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/07/31/sonya-massey-killing-911-calls/



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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Josh Shapiro
    lindamarie73 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
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    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    True. Remind me again who wanted to defund the police?

    there comes a time when no matter how bad Trump is liberals have to own their own messes as well. 
    Please remind us what "defund the police" actually means. 
    Oh I know what it means. I also know talking about it while criminals loot and destroy property is fucking stupid and only encourages it.

    i can be aligned to some of the thought process, but continually making excuses for criminals and their behavior is an issue.



    what? who is making excuses for criminals?

    YOU threw out an insult at Dems for wanted to "defund the police" which was a term that was morphed into a different definition. You say that you know what it means yet you are continuing the tangent that dems seem to want criminals to do whatever they want?
    So...Kamala and other Dems supported the call for "defund the police".  While in reality what many meant was a redistribution of the $ spent on various activities that we expect police to handle (mental illness, etc) to other organizations and ways of dealing with these situations in the streets vs having to rely on untrained police to handle a lot of very specific, difficult situations.  Makes a lot of sense on the surface.

    However, by being vocally for it during a time of riots was extremely irresponsible by the Dems that were.  It was used as an excuse for criminal behavior (riots).  These situations were very similar to the later Jan 6th riot, and politicians keep fooling themselves that they can have a different take on each and not be a hypocrite. 

    Just like Trump and his idiots MAGA stoked the fire that lit up Jan 6th, many Dems own that for the riots after George Floyd. 

    It's pretty weird to me that everything dems do is met with praise on this board...no ownership for failed policies or lack of action.  It's also weird to me that Kamala went from someone Dems didn't even have in their top 4 to be president, had been mostly invisible as VP is now seen as some amazing candidate.  I suppose it's a good thing since Trump needs to lose, but it's some crazy mob mentality...not to the level of MAGA for sure, but still really weird.
    Hmmm, some might say the support is CULT like!!  But ya know, the rotten brains always know what’s 4 the country….Fucking Hypocrites!!!  Don’t you worry, Kam Kam with find a way to BLOW IT…..
    nobody here has kamala as their avatar, so no, not a cult.
    Lol….Great standard there…yikes 


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  • gimmesometruth27
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    The Juggler said:
    lindamarie73 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    lindamarie73 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Kat said:
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    True. Remind me again who wanted to defund the police?

    there comes a time when no matter how bad Trump is liberals have to own their own messes as well. 
    Please remind us what "defund the police" actually means. 
    Oh I know what it means. I also know talking about it while criminals loot and destroy property is fucking stupid and only encourages it.

    i can be aligned to some of the thought process, but continually making excuses for criminals and their behavior is an issue.



    what? who is making excuses for criminals?

    YOU threw out an insult at Dems for wanted to "defund the police" which was a term that was morphed into a different definition. You say that you know what it means yet you are continuing the tangent that dems seem to want criminals to do whatever they want?
    So...Kamala and other Dems supported the call for "defund the police".  While in reality what many meant was a redistribution of the $ spent on various activities that we expect police to handle (mental illness, etc) to other organizations and ways of dealing with these situations in the streets vs having to rely on untrained police to handle a lot of very specific, difficult situations.  Makes a lot of sense on the surface.

    However, by being vocally for it during a time of riots was extremely irresponsible by the Dems that were.  It was used as an excuse for criminal behavior (riots).  These situations were very similar to the later Jan 6th riot, and politicians keep fooling themselves that they can have a different take on each and not be a hypocrite. 

    Just like Trump and his idiots MAGA stoked the fire that lit up Jan 6th, many Dems own that for the riots after George Floyd. 

    It's pretty weird to me that everything dems do is met with praise on this board...no ownership for failed policies or lack of action.  It's also weird to me that Kamala went from someone Dems didn't even have in their top 4 to be president, had been mostly invisible as VP is now seen as some amazing candidate.  I suppose it's a good thing since Trump needs to lose, but it's some crazy mob mentality...not to the level of MAGA for sure, but still really weird.
    Hmmm, some might say the support is CULT like!!  But ya know, the rotten brains always know what’s 4 the country….Fucking Hypocrites!!!  Don’t you worry, Kam Kam with find a way to BLOW IT…..
    nobody here has kamala as their avatar, so no, not a cult.
    Lol….Great standard there…yikes 


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    cincybearcat said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Kat said:
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    True. Remind me again who wanted to defund the police?

    there comes a time when no matter how bad Trump is liberals have to own their own messes as well. 
    Please remind us what "defund the police" actually means. 
    Oh I know what it means. I also know talking about it while criminals loot and destroy property is fucking stupid and only encourages it.

    i can be aligned to some of the thought process, but continually making excuses for criminals and their behavior is an issue.



    what? who is making excuses for criminals?

    YOU threw out an insult at Dems for wanted to "defund the police" which was a term that was morphed into a different definition. You say that you know what it means yet you are continuing the tangent that dems seem to want criminals to do whatever they want?
    So...Kamala and other Dems supported the call for "defund the police".  While in reality what many meant was a redistribution of the $ spent on various activities that we expect police to handle (mental illness, etc) to other organizations and ways of dealing with these situations in the streets vs having to rely on untrained police to handle a lot of very specific, difficult situations.  Makes a lot of sense on the surface.

    However, by being vocally for it during a time of riots was extremely irresponsible by the Dems that were.  It was used as an excuse for criminal behavior (riots).  These situations were very similar to the later Jan 6th riot, and politicians keep fooling themselves that they can have a different take on each and not be a hypocrite. 

    Just like Trump and his idiots MAGA stoked the fire that lit up Jan 6th, many Dems own that for the riots after George Floyd. 

    It's pretty weird to me that everything dems do is met with praise on this board...no ownership for failed policies or lack of action.  It's also weird to me that Kamala went from someone Dems didn't even have in their top 4 to be president, had been mostly invisible as VP is now seen as some amazing candidate.  I suppose it's a good thing since Trump needs to lose, but it's some crazy mob mentality...not to the level of MAGA for sure, but still really weird.
    I don't agree with that at all (bolded)

    Also...Kamala is the candidate regardless and she is acceptable given the alternative. No one challenged her...they certainly could have. 
    Ok, that is how I see it and one of the issues I have with Kamala and others.  But to be honest, if we had a normal GOP and a normal candidate (like say, Mitt), I wouldn't consider voting for Kamala (or Biden...or some other Democrats).  So this may be a 'me' issue as I am just continually disappointed with all candidates in big ways :)
    I still can't believe the GOP ran Mitt off. He would be their perfect candidate right now if they weren't spineless cult members.
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  • curmudgeoness
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    Josh Shapiro
    Go Beavers said:
    Thinking that people view Harris as an amazing candidate might be a misperception. Sure, some do, but mostly I think she’s viewed as having better odds at beating Trump, so there’s excitement from that. 

    Yes.

    1) There's a chance at winning now;
    2) Unity is key!
    3) I think Harris has improved as a politician through practice/ experience;
    4) She is able to be her more authentic self now, and that comes across differently;
    5) I still think Pete Buttigieg is the best person Dems have;
    6) I think Harris will be a fine POTUS -- probably not the best, definitely not the worst we've had.
    7) Preserving small-d democratic norms is all that matters right now. Really. 
    8) "Defund the police" was a foolish and misguided slogan.
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    Josh Shapiro
    cincybearcat said:
    Gern Blansten said:
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    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    True. Remind me again who wanted to defund the police?

    there comes a time when no matter how bad Trump is liberals have to own their own messes as well. 
    Please remind us what "defund the police" actually means. 
    Oh I know what it means. I also know talking about it while criminals loot and destroy property is fucking stupid and only encourages it.

    i can be aligned to some of the thought process, but continually making excuses for criminals and their behavior is an issue.



    what? who is making excuses for criminals?

    YOU threw out an insult at Dems for wanted to "defund the police" which was a term that was morphed into a different definition. You say that you know what it means yet you are continuing the tangent that dems seem to want criminals to do whatever they want?
    So...Kamala and other Dems supported the call for "defund the police".  While in reality what many meant was a redistribution of the $ spent on various activities that we expect police to handle (mental illness, etc) to other organizations and ways of dealing with these situations in the streets vs having to rely on untrained police to handle a lot of very specific, difficult situations.  Makes a lot of sense on the surface.

    However, by being vocally for it during a time of riots was extremely irresponsible by the Dems that were.  It was used as an excuse for criminal behavior (riots).  These situations were very similar to the later Jan 6th riot, and politicians keep fooling themselves that they can have a different take on each and not be a hypocrite. 

    Just like Trump and his idiots MAGA stoked the fire that lit up Jan 6th, many Dems own that for the riots after George Floyd. 

    It's pretty weird to me that everything dems do is met with praise on this board...no ownership for failed policies or lack of action.  It's also weird to me that Kamala went from someone Dems didn't even have in their top 4 to be president, had been mostly invisible as VP is now seen as some amazing candidate.  I suppose it's a good thing since Trump needs to lose, but it's some crazy mob mentality...not to the level of MAGA for sure, but still really weird.
    I don't agree with that at all (bolded)

    Also...Kamala is the candidate regardless and she is acceptable given the alternative. No one challenged her...they certainly could have. 
    Ok, that is how I see it and one of the issues I have with Kamala and others.  But to be honest, if we had a normal GOP and a normal candidate (like say, Mitt), I wouldn't consider voting for Kamala (or Biden...or some other Democrats).  So this may be a 'me' issue as I am just continually disappointed with all candidates in big ways :)

    Let us hope that we get back to a point where we have two (or more) healthy, functioning political parties. I like to say that I look forward to the day when I ask myself why I ever thought Liz Cheney was awesome -- we're definitely not there yet. Harris is not my first choice, but the other guy is my absolute last choice, and I think Harris can do the job. So this is an easy decision for me.
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  • Gern Blansten
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    Josh Shapiro
    curmudgeoness said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Thinking that people view Harris as an amazing candidate might be a misperception. Sure, some do, but mostly I think she’s viewed as having better odds at beating Trump, so there’s excitement from that. 

    Yes.

    1) There's a chance at winning now;
    2) Unity is key!
    3) I think Harris has improved as a politician through practice/ experience;
    4) She is able to be her more authentic self now, and that comes across differently;
    5) I still think Pete Buttigieg is the best person Dems have;
    6) I think Harris will be a fine POTUS -- probably not the best, definitely not the worst we've had.
    7) Preserving small-d democratic norms is all that matters right now. Really. 
    8) "Defund the police" was a foolish and misguided slogan.
    Yeah I think she'll do fine although the opposition is going to be brutal. I think right wing news will be happy to have her to kick around for a few years.

    And yeah to #8...a decent idea but bad delivery. It's like a lot of political issues in that most people agree with the argument but a lot of people don't understand the argument being made.
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    "Reform" the police? Sure. Refocus? Okay. But "defund" -- no.
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    If it was Reform the Police, it would have had overwhelming support.

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    I agree!
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    I think some twitter bots came up with "Defund the Police" to try and crash the Dems' 2020 chances. Almost worked.
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    Every time I see Mark Kelly, I either think of Jeff Bezos or Locke from Lost.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    Next time you’re listening to Shapiro speak close your eyes and I’ll bet you hear a little/lot of Obama in his tone.  
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    tbergs said:
    Every time I see Mark Kelly, I either think of Jeff Bezos or Locke from Lost.
    Funny cause it’s true!  
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    POOTWH campaign raised $138 million in July. Harris campaign raised $310 million. Both amounts are disgusting but I’ll take it, and thank Citizens United, I suppose.
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