Kamala Harris VEEP Pick

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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,703
    Josh Shapiro
    It should be interesting. And I'm thinking an Obama endorsement is coming soon. I think he was just waiting for Joe to sign off.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,214
    It should be interesting. And I'm thinking an Obama endorsement is coming soon. I think he was just waiting for Joe to sign off.
    i think obama will probably endorse in person at the convention. really fire up that base and make international headlines.
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,634
    It should be interesting. And I'm thinking an Obama endorsement is coming soon. I think he was just waiting for Joe to sign off.
    No, no, no, no way, with all due respect, Jose! Obama is pissed! Obama is so fucking pissed, so the unnamed sources say!
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,703
    Josh Shapiro
    It should be interesting. And I'm thinking an Obama endorsement is coming soon. I think he was just waiting for Joe to sign off.
    i think obama will probably endorse in person at the convention. really fire up that base and make international headlines.
    That would be interesting. 
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    It should be interesting. And I'm thinking an Obama endorsement is coming soon. I think he was just waiting for Joe to sign off.
    i think obama will probably endorse in person at the convention. really fire up that base and make international headlines.
    Obviously Obama will endorse at the convention in Chicago.

    He tends to draw a crowd there

    (my photo from election night November 4th, 2008)


  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,703
    Josh Shapiro
    Chatter is that Obama will be endorsing very soon
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Chatter is that Obama will be endorsing very soon

    I'll bet it's sometime August 19-22
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,703
    Josh Shapiro


    From McRaven
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,786
    brianlux said:
    I agree that bringing back the latino vote is important, but my husband and I both get strong off-putting vibes from the Castros.
    Yeah I’m not feeling them as contenders to be on a presidential ticket! I’m leaning more towards Shapiro, KH should be able to pull in some minority votes for her except Cubans they are all MAGA 

    The mother of my godchildren is Cuban and she is the furthest thing from MAGA, if that helps!
    Down in Miami? Cause I was there recently with my dad on a visit and the Cuban families he was friends from years ago are Trump supporters 

    No, she's out here in California.  I don't think she would move to Miami if you paid her to do so. 
    I have friends and family who, because of jobs and/or family ties, have stayed in Florida.  Its not a pleasant situation for most of them! 
     
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,709
    Josh Shapiro
    Shapiro...but I have been coming around to Walz lately. I think there are a lot of good choices. 
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,547
    CM189191 said:
    It should be interesting. And I'm thinking an Obama endorsement is coming soon. I think he was just waiting for Joe to sign off.
    i think obama will probably endorse in person at the convention. really fire up that base and make international headlines.
    Obviously Obama will endorse at the convention in Chicago.

    He tends to draw a crowd there

    (my photo from election night November 4th, 2008)




    Did Obama have seniority seating?
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,703
    Josh Shapiro
    Shapiro...but I have been coming around to Walz lately. I think there are a lot of good choices. 
    Walz is great in front of the microphone. I did see that his performance was right with Biden in the 2020 election...vs Shapiro that received more votes than Biden in his state.

    But Pete...guy kicked ass yesterday on the talk shows
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,744
    CM189191 said:
    It should be interesting. And I'm thinking an Obama endorsement is coming soon. I think he was just waiting for Joe to sign off.
    i think obama will probably endorse in person at the convention. really fire up that base and make international headlines.
    Obviously Obama will endorse at the convention in Chicago.

    He tends to draw a crowd there

    (my photo from election night November 4th, 2008)




    Did Obama have seniority seating?
    Yes. but rows 1, 2, 9 & 10 were a lottery due to a lot of newly registered Democrats whining "who cares that you stumped for JFK! I'm just as important as you!"
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,634
    Poncier said:
    CM189191 said:
    It should be interesting. And I'm thinking an Obama endorsement is coming soon. I think he was just waiting for Joe to sign off.
    i think obama will probably endorse in person at the convention. really fire up that base and make international headlines.
    Obviously Obama will endorse at the convention in Chicago.

    He tends to draw a crowd there

    (my photo from election night November 4th, 2008)




    Did Obama have seniority seating?
    Yes. but rows 1, 2, 9 & 10 were a lottery due to a lot of newly registered Democrats whining "who cares that you stumped for JFK! I'm just as important as you!"
    Was there a list and a lineup three days before doors. And numbers in sharpie on the hand? Only way to know for sure it was legit.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,299
    Poncier said:
    CM189191 said:
    It should be interesting. And I'm thinking an Obama endorsement is coming soon. I think he was just waiting for Joe to sign off.
    i think obama will probably endorse in person at the convention. really fire up that base and make international headlines.
    Obviously Obama will endorse at the convention in Chicago.

    He tends to draw a crowd there

    (my photo from election night November 4th, 2008)




    Did Obama have seniority seating?
    Yes. but rows 1, 2, 9 & 10 were a lottery due to a lot of newly registered Democrats whining "who cares that you stumped for JFK! I'm just as important as you!"
    You win the MT today with this post ^^^ 😂
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,214
    Poncier said:
    CM189191 said:
    It should be interesting. And I'm thinking an Obama endorsement is coming soon. I think he was just waiting for Joe to sign off.
    i think obama will probably endorse in person at the convention. really fire up that base and make international headlines.
    Obviously Obama will endorse at the convention in Chicago.

    He tends to draw a crowd there

    (my photo from election night November 4th, 2008)




    Did Obama have seniority seating?
    Yes. but rows 1, 2, 9 & 10 were a lottery due to a lot of newly registered Democrats whining "who cares that you stumped for JFK! I'm just as important as you!"
    lmao
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,214
    kamala's campaign needs to have a "debunking fox news propaganda czar", and it should be pete b.
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  • sheckyshecky Posts: 1,774
    edited July 30

    North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper withdraws from consideration to be Kamala Harris' running mate: report

    Cooper was considered a top contender in the Vice President's veepstakes

    Published July 29, 2024 7:25pm EDT

    North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper is no longer in the running to be Vice President Kamala Harris's running mate this election season, according to the New York Times.

    The Times reported on Monday evening that Cooper informed Harris' team about his decision to withdraw. It's unclear what caused him to withdraw.

    Cooper has been considered a top contender to be Harris' running mate in recent days. After President Joe Biden dropped out of the race and Harris began running her campaign, her team sent vetting materials to Cooper, according to a report from the Wall Street Journal.

    Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro, Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz and Sen. Mark Kelly, D-Ariz., were reportedly sent vetting materials as well.

    John Locke Foundation senior political analyst Mitch Kokai told Fox News Digital earlier on Monday that the North Carolina governor was considered "a good match" for Harris.

    "Democrats are likely to see Roy Cooper as a good match for Kamala Harris for multiple reasons. First and foremost, Cooper helps bring North Carolina’s 16 electoral votes into play in a way other candidates do not," Kokai explained.

    "He has won six statewide elections since 2000. That’s an impressive accomplishment for a Democrat in a state that has trended right during the same time period."

    The political analyst called Cooper "the Democrats’ brightest star in North Carolina in recent years."

    "Cooper offers a clear demographic contrast to Harris, and he also presents a calm, sober, constrained personality that might help counter some of the criticism Harris has faced about her interactions with interviewers and the public," Kokai added.

    Fox News Digital reached out to Cooper's office and the Harris campaign for comment.


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,634
    shecky said:

    North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper withdraws from consideration to be Kamala Harris' running mate: report

    Cooper was considered a top contender in the Vice President's veepstakes

    Published July 29, 2024 7:25pm EDT

    North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper is no longer in the running to be Vice President Kamala Harris's running mate this election season, according to the New York Times.

    The Times reported on Monday evening that Cooper informed Harris' team about his decision to withdraw. It's unclear what caused him to withdraw.

    Cooper has been considered a top contender to be Harris' running mate in recent days. After President Joe Biden dropped out of the race and Harris began running her campaign, her team sent vetting materials to Cooper, according to a report from the Wall Street Journal.

    Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro, Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz and Sen. Mark Kelly, D-Ariz., were reportedly sent vetting materials as well.

    John Locke Foundation senior political analyst Mitch Kokai told Fox News Digital earlier on Monday that the North Carolina governor was considered "a good match" for Harris.

    "Democrats are likely to see Roy Cooper as a good match for Kamala Harris for multiple reasons. First and foremost, Cooper helps bring North Carolina’s 16 electoral votes into play in a way other candidates do not," Kokai explained.

    "He has won six statewide elections since 2000. That’s an impressive accomplishment for a Democrat in a state that has trended right during the same time period."

    The political analyst called Cooper "the Democrats’ brightest star in North Carolina in recent years."

    "Cooper offers a clear demographic contrast to Harris, and he also presents a calm, sober, constrained personality that might help counter some of the criticism Harris has faced about her interactions with interviewers and the public," Kokai added.

    Fox News Digital reached out to Cooper's office and the Harris campaign for comment.


    Wow! Hard hitting piece of journalism right there. Citing NYT and WSJ reporting plus a John Locke Foundation contributor and we have an expose of why Cooper withdrew. Wow, just wow! Just post the chyron next time. It’ll save you some time and cut n pasting.
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  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Posts: 3,987
    Josh Shapiro
    Cooper withdrew from consideration for a very simple reason: whenever he leaves the state, the lieutenant governor is in power. That's the "some people need killing" guy. So Cooper leaves the state as little as possible.
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Posts: 11,478
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    People seem to be getting excited about Tim Walz. I listened to an interview with him this morning and he was definitely entertaining and engaging.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,703
    Josh Shapiro
    People seem to be getting excited about Tim Walz. I listened to an interview with him this morning and he was definitely entertaining and engaging.
    Yeah I didn't know anything about him but he's good. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 4,997
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    People seem to be getting excited about Tim Walz. I listened to an interview with him this morning and he was definitely entertaining and engaging.
    He's kind of got the "everyman" thing going for him..."middle-aged man."  Former coach and teacher. Difficult to accuse of being some radical liberal (though they did it with Biden, so they will).

    I don't want to lose him a governor, but I do think there are positives for him as the pick.
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  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Posts: 3,987
    Josh Shapiro
    First of all, I think it's great that the surrogates are *everywhere* right now. And I think it's great that the Dem bench is so deep.

    Bill Kristol argued this morning that the person Harris chooses should be "POTUSabile" -- like cardinals in the Catholic church, who are elevated if they are perceived as being potential papal material, Harris's running mate should be potential POTUS material. He offers the list of running mates who were on *winning* tickets over the past 44 years by means of comparison. (And I'll add as an example of a losing ticket: Tim Kaine?!? What was up with that VP pick??)  In Kristol's opinion, three of the names currently being bandied about rise to that level: Whitmer, Shapiro, and Buttigieg.
    It's an interesting argument that I don't think we should overlook. I like Walz! He brings great dad energy!  Can we imagine him sitting behind the Resolute Desk?
    Whitmer continues to say that she's staying in Michigan. Shapiro still feels like he checks the most boxes.
    That said, I am a long-time Pete fan. He's killing it in his appearances. And moreover: my entire family thinks Pete is the best choice -- even my super-lefty socialist kid has climbed aboard the Pete train with the argument that Buttigieg is the best communicator out there. Pete has the ability, in my opinion, to win over people -- not just to fire up the base, but to disarm people who might be predisposed to disagree with or dislike him and find a way to reach them. That's no small thing in our current climate! 
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  • sheckyshecky Posts: 1,774

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.

  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,703
    Josh Shapiro
    First of all, I think it's great that the surrogates are *everywhere* right now. And I think it's great that the Dem bench is so deep.

    Bill Kristol argued this morning that the person Harris chooses should be "POTUSabile" -- like cardinals in the Catholic church, who are elevated if they are perceived as being potential papal material, Harris's running mate should be potential POTUS material. He offers the list of running mates who were on *winning* tickets over the past 44 years by means of comparison. (And I'll add as an example of a losing ticket: Tim Kaine?!? What was up with that VP pick??)  In Kristol's opinion, three of the names currently being bandied about rise to that level: Whitmer, Shapiro, and Buttigieg.
    It's an interesting argument that I don't think we should overlook. I like Walz! He brings great dad energy!  Can we imagine him sitting behind the Resolute Desk?
    Whitmer continues to say that she's staying in Michigan. Shapiro still feels like he checks the most boxes.
    That said, I am a long-time Pete fan. He's killing it in his appearances. And moreover: my entire family thinks Pete is the best choice -- even my super-lefty socialist kid has climbed aboard the Pete train with the argument that Buttigieg is the best communicator out there. Pete has the ability, in my opinion, to win over people -- not just to fire up the base, but to disarm people who might be predisposed to disagree with or dislike him and find a way to reach them. That's no small thing in our current climate! 
    I'm good with Shapiro or Pete. I did kind of worry about a female/gay ticket but I don't think that matters anymore. Not from the dems at least.
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  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,108
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    First of all, I think it's great that the surrogates are *everywhere* right now. And I think it's great that the Dem bench is so deep.

    Bill Kristol argued this morning that the person Harris chooses should be "POTUSabile" -- like cardinals in the Catholic church, who are elevated if they are perceived as being potential papal material, Harris's running mate should be potential POTUS material. He offers the list of running mates who were on *winning* tickets over the past 44 years by means of comparison. (And I'll add as an example of a losing ticket: Tim Kaine?!? What was up with that VP pick??)  In Kristol's opinion, three of the names currently being bandied about rise to that level: Whitmer, Shapiro, and Buttigieg.
    It's an interesting argument that I don't think we should overlook. I like Walz! He brings great dad energy!  Can we imagine him sitting behind the Resolute Desk?
    Whitmer continues to say that she's staying in Michigan. Shapiro still feels like he checks the most boxes.
    That said, I am a long-time Pete fan. He's killing it in his appearances. And moreover: my entire family thinks Pete is the best choice -- even my super-lefty socialist kid has climbed aboard the Pete train with the argument that Buttigieg is the best communicator out there. Pete has the ability, in my opinion, to win over people -- not just to fire up the base, but to disarm people who might be predisposed to disagree with or dislike him and find a way to reach them. That's no small thing in our current climate! 
    I'm good with Shapiro or Pete. I did kind of worry about a female/gay ticket but I don't think that matters anymore. Not from the dems at least.
    I had this thought too, and it made me wonder if there are any polling questions that can successfully identify rates of racism/misogyny/sexism in either party. If I were to guess based on the words either party's politicians utter, it would seem like most of them fit in the Republican camp.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,703
    Josh Shapiro
    benjs said:
    First of all, I think it's great that the surrogates are *everywhere* right now. And I think it's great that the Dem bench is so deep.

    Bill Kristol argued this morning that the person Harris chooses should be "POTUSabile" -- like cardinals in the Catholic church, who are elevated if they are perceived as being potential papal material, Harris's running mate should be potential POTUS material. He offers the list of running mates who were on *winning* tickets over the past 44 years by means of comparison. (And I'll add as an example of a losing ticket: Tim Kaine?!? What was up with that VP pick??)  In Kristol's opinion, three of the names currently being bandied about rise to that level: Whitmer, Shapiro, and Buttigieg.
    It's an interesting argument that I don't think we should overlook. I like Walz! He brings great dad energy!  Can we imagine him sitting behind the Resolute Desk?
    Whitmer continues to say that she's staying in Michigan. Shapiro still feels like he checks the most boxes.
    That said, I am a long-time Pete fan. He's killing it in his appearances. And moreover: my entire family thinks Pete is the best choice -- even my super-lefty socialist kid has climbed aboard the Pete train with the argument that Buttigieg is the best communicator out there. Pete has the ability, in my opinion, to win over people -- not just to fire up the base, but to disarm people who might be predisposed to disagree with or dislike him and find a way to reach them. That's no small thing in our current climate! 
    I'm good with Shapiro or Pete. I did kind of worry about a female/gay ticket but I don't think that matters anymore. Not from the dems at least.
    I had this thought too, and it made me wonder if there are any polling questions that can successfully identify rates of racism/misogyny/sexism in either party. If I were to guess based on the words either party's politicians utter, it would seem like most of them fit in the Republican camp.
    Agreed...it will be maga fuel for sure but it likely won't change any votes. 

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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • KatKat Posts: 4,849
    edited July 30
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    Post edited by Kat on
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Posts: 11,478
    Mark Kelly
    The surge in violent crime and murder was because of COVID. It's taking some time to recover from that. But of course people like this don't want to hear nuance when they have an agenda to push.

    By the way, we all remember who POTUS was when our country utterly failed at COVID strategy, and you couldn't find toilet paper. Or we should remember, that is. I do have to give Trump some credit for pushing to develop the great life saving vaccines, though. There, I said something nice about the guy - happy?!?
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