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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,346
    Josh Shapiro
    And how many times has tRump blathered about shutting down the FBI or defunding it, etc? Yet they go on and on about the defunding the police crap.
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,910
    Kat said:
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/



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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,851
    Josh Shapiro
    Poncier said:
    Kat said:
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/



    Pointing out obvious facts to counter news bot posts is pretty funny.

    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,388
    Gretchen Whitmer
    Kat said:
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    Go figure - an article from Fox News with "politically dishonest" in its heading, is shown to be politically dishonest. If only there were a baseline of facts to earn putting "News" in your network's name. 
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,855
    Josh Shapiro
    Kat said:
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    True. Remind me again who wanted to defund the police?

    there comes a time when no matter how bad Trump is liberals have to own their own messes as well. 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,346
    Josh Shapiro
    Kat said:
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    True. Remind me again who wanted to defund the police?

    there comes a time when no matter how bad Trump is liberals have to own their own messes as well. 
    Please remind us what "defund the police" actually means. 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,670
    edited July 2024
    Kat said:
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    True. Remind me again who wanted to defund the police?

    there comes a time when no matter how bad Trump is liberals have to own their own messes as well. 

    remind ME who advocated for increased funding?
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  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,803
    edited July 2024
    Kat said:
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    When the entire two paragraphs below (in parentheses) are read, it explains why many city police departments were defunded.
    President Trump certainly did not have the authority to prohibit cities from defunding their police departments, so he is not to blame.
    And when criminals see less police on the streets, they feel empowered to commit more crime.

    "Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster."

    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down."

    Post edited by shecky on
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,516
    edited July 2024
    shecky said:
    Kat said:
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    When the entire two paragraphs below (in parentheses) are read, it explains why many city police departments were defunded.
    President Trump certainly did not have the authority to prohibit cities from defunding their police departments, so he is not to blame.
    And when criminals see less police on the streets, they feel empowered to commit more crime.

    "Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster."

    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down."

    Except they weren’t.

    https://abc7chicago.com/where-police-departments-defunded-how-does-funding-impact-crime-defund-the-budgets/12324846/

    From the article linked above:

    An ABC OTV analysis of state and local police funding and violent crime data in the U.S. overall between 1985 and 2020 found no relationship between year-to-year police spending and crime rates. (An analysis by the Washington Post found similar results from 1960 to 2018.)

    Further analysis of Los Angeles County's own crime data show violent crime numbers don't move up or down with any relationship to money spent on law enforcement or the number of officers on patrol.

    Lets test your theory Schecky, throw out a city and let’s look up their budget, eh?
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    So Kamala and Shapiro in Philadelphia next week…..is it a hint or meant to throw us off?  

    Biden threw the reps off by acting senile, pretending to not want to leave, etc….knowing all along Kamala was going to take over.  Boy he sure fooled trump and company!  

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    So Kamala and Shapiro in Philadelphia next week…..is it a hint or meant to throw us off?  

    Biden threw the reps off by acting senile, pretending to not want to leave, etc….knowing all along Kamala was going to take over.  Boy he sure fooled trump and company!  

    if old, senile biden can fool maga, imagine how easy our enemies will dupe them.
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    Josh Shapiro
    Kat said:
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    True. Remind me again who wanted to defund the police?

    there comes a time when no matter how bad Trump is liberals have to own their own messes as well. 
    Please remind us what "defund the police" actually means. 
    Oh I know what it means. I also know talking about it while criminals loot and destroy property is fucking stupid and only encourages it.

    i can be aligned to some of the thought process, but continually making excuses for criminals and their behavior is an issue.



    hippiemom = goodness
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,346
    Josh Shapiro
    Kat said:
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    True. Remind me again who wanted to defund the police?

    there comes a time when no matter how bad Trump is liberals have to own their own messes as well. 
    Please remind us what "defund the police" actually means. 
    Oh I know what it means. I also know talking about it while criminals loot and destroy property is fucking stupid and only encourages it.

    i can be aligned to some of the thought process, but continually making excuses for criminals and their behavior is an issue.



    what? who is making excuses for criminals?

    YOU threw out an insult at Dems for wanted to "defund the police" which was a term that was morphed into a different definition. You say that you know what it means yet you are continuing the tangent that dems seem to want criminals to do whatever they want?
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,855
    Josh Shapiro
    Kat said:
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    True. Remind me again who wanted to defund the police?

    there comes a time when no matter how bad Trump is liberals have to own their own messes as well. 
    Please remind us what "defund the police" actually means. 
    Oh I know what it means. I also know talking about it while criminals loot and destroy property is fucking stupid and only encourages it.

    i can be aligned to some of the thought process, but continually making excuses for criminals and their behavior is an issue.



    what? who is making excuses for criminals?

    YOU threw out an insult at Dems for wanted to "defund the police" which was a term that was morphed into a different definition. You say that you know what it means yet you are continuing the tangent that dems seem to want criminals to do whatever they want?
    So...Kamala and other Dems supported the call for "defund the police".  While in reality what many meant was a redistribution of the $ spent on various activities that we expect police to handle (mental illness, etc) to other organizations and ways of dealing with these situations in the streets vs having to rely on untrained police to handle a lot of very specific, difficult situations.  Makes a lot of sense on the surface.

    However, by being vocally for it during a time of riots was extremely irresponsible by the Dems that were.  It was used as an excuse for criminal behavior (riots).  These situations were very similar to the later Jan 6th riot, and politicians keep fooling themselves that they can have a different take on each and not be a hypocrite. 

    Just like Trump and his idiots MAGA stoked the fire that lit up Jan 6th, many Dems own that for the riots after George Floyd. 

    It's pretty weird to me that everything dems do is met with praise on this board...no ownership for failed policies or lack of action.  It's also weird to me that Kamala went from someone Dems didn't even have in their top 4 to be president, had been mostly invisible as VP is now seen as some amazing candidate.  I suppose it's a good thing since Trump needs to lose, but it's some crazy mob mentality...not to the level of MAGA for sure, but still really weird.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,608
    Thinking that people view Harris as an amazing candidate might be a misperception. Sure, some do, but mostly I think she’s viewed as having better odds at beating Trump, so there’s excitement from that. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,346
    Josh Shapiro
    Kat said:
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    True. Remind me again who wanted to defund the police?

    there comes a time when no matter how bad Trump is liberals have to own their own messes as well. 
    Please remind us what "defund the police" actually means. 
    Oh I know what it means. I also know talking about it while criminals loot and destroy property is fucking stupid and only encourages it.

    i can be aligned to some of the thought process, but continually making excuses for criminals and their behavior is an issue.



    what? who is making excuses for criminals?

    YOU threw out an insult at Dems for wanted to "defund the police" which was a term that was morphed into a different definition. You say that you know what it means yet you are continuing the tangent that dems seem to want criminals to do whatever they want?
    So...Kamala and other Dems supported the call for "defund the police".  While in reality what many meant was a redistribution of the $ spent on various activities that we expect police to handle (mental illness, etc) to other organizations and ways of dealing with these situations in the streets vs having to rely on untrained police to handle a lot of very specific, difficult situations.  Makes a lot of sense on the surface.

    However, by being vocally for it during a time of riots was extremely irresponsible by the Dems that were.  It was used as an excuse for criminal behavior (riots).  These situations were very similar to the later Jan 6th riot, and politicians keep fooling themselves that they can have a different take on each and not be a hypocrite. 

    Just like Trump and his idiots MAGA stoked the fire that lit up Jan 6th, many Dems own that for the riots after George Floyd. 

    It's pretty weird to me that everything dems do is met with praise on this board...no ownership for failed policies or lack of action.  It's also weird to me that Kamala went from someone Dems didn't even have in their top 4 to be president, had been mostly invisible as VP is now seen as some amazing candidate.  I suppose it's a good thing since Trump needs to lose, but it's some crazy mob mentality...not to the level of MAGA for sure, but still really weird.
    I don't agree with that at all (bolded)

    Also...Kamala is the candidate regardless and she is acceptable given the alternative. No one challenged her...they certainly could have. 
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,855
    Josh Shapiro
    Thinking that people view Harris as an amazing candidate might be a misperception. Sure, some do, but mostly I think she’s viewed as having better odds at beating Trump, so there’s excitement from that. 
    Could be.  I see it differently but you might be right.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,855
    Josh Shapiro
    Kat said:
    shecky said:

    Pete Buttigieg dared Americans to look up crime data. I did and it's not pretty for Democrats

    Anyone seriously reviewing the nation's crime data would know that Secretary Buttigieg is using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand

    Published July 30, 2024 11:00am EDT

    Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg declared on "Fox News Sunday" this past weekend that Republicans are offering a "false message" about the nation’s crime crisis. He scolded Fox News for "trying to make people think that crime is up when crime is down under Joe Biden and crime was up under Donald Trump." He said this isn’t reported on Fox News, "so if you’re watching this at home, do yourself a favor and look up the data."

    While Democrat-paid social media influencers celebrated Buttigieg, he should probably stick to creating electric vehicle propaganda videos for social media. Anyone reviewing the data would know he’s using a politically dishonest statistical sleight of hand--blaming Trump for crime going up thanks to the very policies Democrats instituted, then crime going "down" after the policies were reversed. 

    Major cities across the country, mostly run by Democrats, saw a tumultuous period of crime rates spurred by progressive "criminal justice reforms" and police defunding thanks to Democrats who acquiesced to the demands of Black Lives Matter radicals. As I write in my book, "What’s Killing America: Inside the Radical Left’s Tragic Destruction of Our Cities," the result was an unmitigated disaster.

    As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century. The next year, we saw a 4.3% increase in murders nationwide. Prior to the reforms, under Trump, violent crimes were going down.

    Leveraging the COVID pandemic as a pretext, Democrats either stopped booking criminals or released them early, claiming they’d face imminent death from COVID if they were to stay locked up. For example, Cornelius Haney was released from prison early over COVID when he was arrested for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in Denver. Two days after Jerry Crawford was released from prison to reduce the spread of COVID, he was arrested for shooting an 18-year-old man to death.

    While Buttigieg and other Democrats try to memory-hole reality, we saw a terrifying rise of left-wing political violence perpetrated by activists, including Antifa, with criminals taking advantage of soft-on-crime legislation, such as a ban on police vehicular pursuits in Washington state and downgrading serious felonies by George Soros-backed prosecutors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. 

    When Biden took office, cities like Philadelphia and Indianapolis broke all-time records with 561 homicides and 271 homicides respectively. Portland, Oregon, meanwhile, hit its all-time homicide high in 2022.

    It wasn’t just homicides that soared. 

    Overall, crime was on the rise in New York, marked by a historic explosion of assaults hitting nearly 28,000 for the first time in recorded history. Thanks to state law that offers only misdemeanor charges for theft under $950 in value, Los Angeles and San Francisco saw the nation’s top two highest organized retail theft, leading to billions in losses for the city’s business communities. Motor vehicle thefts in 2022 compared to 2019 saw triple digit percentage increases in Denver (179%), Chicago (136%), and St. Louis (109%). Washington state saw an astonishing 10,000% increase in catalytic converter theft between 2019 and 2022. 

    Ironically, crimes including murders were undercounted in the aftermath of Democrat criminal justice reforms, thanks to the change in how the FBI collects and reports data. It was missing data from thousand of law enforcement agencies, including those in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans.

    As crime rates soared, public sentiment shifted towards re-evaluating the efficacy of these reforms. By late 2022, many cities began to rollback these policies and restore funding to their police departments. The reintroduction of these more stringent policing measures and increased police presence led to a noticeable decline in crime rates in 2023-2024. 

    After murders surged by 43% in 2022 compared to 2021, the San Antonio Police Department unveiled a "very simple strategy" by sending officers to proactively police in the neighborhoods with the most 911 calls for violent crimes. After refunding the Portland Police Bureau, the city saw a 22% drop in overall shootings and 23% decrease in homicides in 2023. These strategies were the exact opposite of what Radical Left activists demanded. 

    But crime going down from record highs doesn’t mean crime is down to pre-reform levels, which is precisely what Buttiegeg would have you believe.

    Annual homicides in Denver dropped 4% in 2023 (with 72). It’s still 14% higher than what it was in 2019 (63). Homicides in Albuquerque saw a 21% dip in 2023 (95). Yet that’s still 86% higher than in 2018 (51). Washington D.C., meanwhile, had more homicides at 274 than in any other year in the two decades. Seattle, where I’m based, experienced a precipitous rise in homicides in 2020, but hit an all-time high in 2023.

    The next time Democrats want to celebrate a Biden administration official for dunking on Fox News on Fox News, it would behoove them to have a grasp on the facts, not left-wing talking points better suited to the left-wing echo chamber that is MSNBC. 

    The hard truth is that their policies led to unprecedented spikes in crime, and only a return to sensible, stringent policing measures has begun to mitigate the damage inflicted by their ideological missteps. 

    Democrats don’t deserve credit when a crisis they created starts to subside after returning to policies that flourished under Trump.


    "As police departments were defunded, the nationwide murder rate surged 30% in 2020, making it the largest single-year increase in over a century."

    Joe Biden wasn't the president in 2020. Someone else was.

    https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-mid-year-2024-update/
    True. Remind me again who wanted to defund the police?

    there comes a time when no matter how bad Trump is liberals have to own their own messes as well. 
    Please remind us what "defund the police" actually means. 
    Oh I know what it means. I also know talking about it while criminals loot and destroy property is fucking stupid and only encourages it.

    i can be aligned to some of the thought process, but continually making excuses for criminals and their behavior is an issue.



    what? who is making excuses for criminals?

    YOU threw out an insult at Dems for wanted to "defund the police" which was a term that was morphed into a different definition. You say that you know what it means yet you are continuing the tangent that dems seem to want criminals to do whatever they want?
    So...Kamala and other Dems supported the call for "defund the police".  While in reality what many meant was a redistribution of the $ spent on various activities that we expect police to handle (mental illness, etc) to other organizations and ways of dealing with these situations in the streets vs having to rely on untrained police to handle a lot of very specific, difficult situations.  Makes a lot of sense on the surface.

    However, by being vocally for it during a time of riots was extremely irresponsible by the Dems that were.  It was used as an excuse for criminal behavior (riots).  These situations were very similar to the later Jan 6th riot, and politicians keep fooling themselves that they can have a different take on each and not be a hypocrite. 

    Just like Trump and his idiots MAGA stoked the fire that lit up Jan 6th, many Dems own that for the riots after George Floyd. 

    It's pretty weird to me that everything dems do is met with praise on this board...no ownership for failed policies or lack of action.  It's also weird to me that Kamala went from someone Dems didn't even have in their top 4 to be president, had been mostly invisible as VP is now seen as some amazing candidate.  I suppose it's a good thing since Trump needs to lose, but it's some crazy mob mentality...not to the level of MAGA for sure, but still really weird.
    I don't agree with that at all (bolded)

    Also...Kamala is the candidate regardless and she is acceptable given the alternative. No one challenged her...they certainly could have. 
    Ok, that is how I see it and one of the issues I have with Kamala and others.  But to be honest, if we had a normal GOP and a normal candidate (like say, Mitt), I wouldn't consider voting for Kamala (or Biden...or some other Democrats).  So this may be a 'me' issue as I am just continually disappointed with all candidates in big ways :)
    hippiemom = goodness
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    There are certainly better candidates than her. I mean Whitmer, Pritzker and Waltz have had more success running their states. But given the short run time and that she was already #2, we have to take what we can get. She’ll be fine. She’s certainly been privy to what happens at that level of governing now, so it will probably work out. No president has been perfect. 

    Also if the GOP put up a normal candidate, the stakes would be completely different.