Who will be the Democratic nominee?
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Joe BidenIf Biden is elected and becomes incapacitate at some point in the next 4 1/2 years, Harris will have to step in. Do I like that scenario? No. Could I be OK with it? Not thrilled, but yes, I could live with that.But assuming the vote comes down to Biden vs Trump, if Trump wins, we will no longer have a president, we will have an all-powerful king/ dictator, democracy in America will be dead, the environment will be more fucked than ever, yours and my personal liberty will be at stake, separation of phony church and state will end, abortions will become illegal across the board, the freedoms of our LGBTQ+ friends will be highly restricted, possibly in serious jeopardy, and our allies will distance themselves from us.Pick your poison. I'm voting for Biden."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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Kamala HarrisI'm voting against T---p. Period. Whether it's Biden, Harris, or AOC, I'm voting (D); but it's not my vote that matters.The Washington Post says that senators are gathering to go talk to Biden. Brian, I think you're older than most of us and thus more likely to remember what happened the last time they did that.All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.0
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Kamala Harris
"So you're saying there's a chance?? Should I line up now for GA?"Lerxst1992 said:oh, and as far as trump dropping out…we have a better chance of Pearl Jam doing a comprehensive 30 show east coast tour or a 13 show MSG residency
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Joe Bidencurmudgeoness said:I'm voting against T---p. Period. Whether it's Biden, Harris, or AOC, I'm voting (D); but it's not my vote that matters.The Washington Post says that senators are gathering to go talk to Biden. Brian, I think you're older than most of us and thus more likely to remember what happened the last time they did that.ME older than most of you?
emoji, lolI actually don't remember that. Funny thing is, the further back something happened, the more I'm likely to remember it... but not always!It sure looks to me like Biden is firm in his conviction to stay in. It will be interesting if he can be swayed otherwise, and I would not put money on it, but I'm guessing he will not bow out. Gift article:Election Live Updates: ‘I’ll Beat Trump’ Says a Defiant Biden, Pledging to Stay in Race
The brief speech in Wisconsin kicked off a weekend that could be make-or-break for President Biden’s campaign, including a high-stakes ABC News interview that will air in prime time on Friday.
President Biden just wrapped a brief but animated and defiant speech at a campaign event in Wisconsin, asserting that he would continue in the race and describing former President Donald J. Trump as a liar and threat to democracy.
“I’m staying in this race,” Mr. Biden told the crowd, to cheers. “I’m not letting one 90-minute debate wipe out three and a half years of work.” Mr. Biden's speech in Wisconsin is the first of two appearances on Friday that will be closely watched as doubts among Democrats intensify about his ability to beat former President Donald J. Trump. ABC News will air an interview with Mr. Biden on Friday evening that will be recorded after the speech.
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agreed. if dems go through with this they might as well just give the white house to trump and the house and senate to the gop. this is not the time to be fucking around with this strategy. it will 1000% fail.mickeyrat said:curmudgeoness said:We do, and we don't.Until this past week, while I had concerns about Biden's age I viewed him as the best/ least-worst option to defeat the other guy. But this story isn't going away; I had thought maybe it would disappear after a news cycle or two, especially in the wake of the SCOTUS immunity ruling, but instead it has gained momentum. I also think Nancy Pelosi really opened the door to having the conversation and making a change in her interview with Andrea Mitchell the other day; if Pelosi had no concerns about Biden's status, I'm confident she would have shut down any chirping or whispering post-haste.so everybody wants NOW to see if it works THIS time? the reason/intent for the change is irrelevant in the face of the results of the previous attempts.fucking insane."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Joe Bidengimmesometruth27 said:
agreed. if dems go through with this they might as well just give the white house to trump and the house and senate to the gop. this is not the time to be fucking around with this strategy. it will 1000% fail.mickeyrat said:curmudgeoness said:We do, and we don't.Until this past week, while I had concerns about Biden's age I viewed him as the best/ least-worst option to defeat the other guy. But this story isn't going away; I had thought maybe it would disappear after a news cycle or two, especially in the wake of the SCOTUS immunity ruling, but instead it has gained momentum. I also think Nancy Pelosi really opened the door to having the conversation and making a change in her interview with Andrea Mitchell the other day; if Pelosi had no concerns about Biden's status, I'm confident she would have shut down any chirping or whispering post-haste.so everybody wants NOW to see if it works THIS time? the reason/intent for the change is irrelevant in the face of the results of the previous attempts.fucking insane.Agree, both.As I've said before: I don't like sending money to politicians. Most of my contributions go to activist conservation/environmental organizations. And I know that what I can afford is like veritable "drop in the bucket", but nevertheless I sent more money to the Biden campaign via Act Blue earlier today because I believe Biden is the only hope to defeat the evil T and I need to show what support I can. It's do or die time, friends."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
brianlux said:gimmesometruth27 said:
agreed. if dems go through with this they might as well just give the white house to trump and the house and senate to the gop. this is not the time to be fucking around with this strategy. it will 1000% fail.mickeyrat said:curmudgeoness said:We do, and we don't.Until this past week, while I had concerns about Biden's age I viewed him as the best/ least-worst option to defeat the other guy. But this story isn't going away; I had thought maybe it would disappear after a news cycle or two, especially in the wake of the SCOTUS immunity ruling, but instead it has gained momentum. I also think Nancy Pelosi really opened the door to having the conversation and making a change in her interview with Andrea Mitchell the other day; if Pelosi had no concerns about Biden's status, I'm confident she would have shut down any chirping or whispering post-haste.so everybody wants NOW to see if it works THIS time? the reason/intent for the change is irrelevant in the face of the results of the previous attempts.fucking insane.Agree, both.As I've said before: I don't like sending money to politicians. Most of my contributions go to activist conservation/environmental organizations. And I know that what I can afford is like veritable "drop in the bucket", but nevertheless I sent more money to the Biden campaign via Act Blue earlier today because I believe Biden is the only hope to defeat the evil T and I need to show what support I can. It's do or die time, friends.Joe is running six points behind trump, while in 2020 he was solidly eight ahead, a fourteen point swing from when he won by 44k votes in swing states. Eighty percent of independents now believe Biden is unfit to serve.
maybe y’all are right, replacing Biden will fail. But there is almost no chance to reverse those poll numbers. How is he going to do it? A taped interview with ABC? Reading off a prompter at a rally? That’s insane. The MAGAs must be laughing their asses off on that. After proving he is unfit to stand on a live stage with trump, they think a taped interview with a third of the audience will change minds.
democratic leadership is out of their minds and they have been gaslighting us about Bidens health for a year. This is not 2020 Joe, not even close.0 -
I believe Biden is going to lose if he stays in.mickeyrat said:curmudgeoness said:We do, and we don't.Until this past week, while I had concerns about Biden's age I viewed him as the best/ least-worst option to defeat the other guy. But this story isn't going away; I had thought maybe it would disappear after a news cycle or two, especially in the wake of the SCOTUS immunity ruling, but instead it has gained momentum. I also think Nancy Pelosi really opened the door to having the conversation and making a change in her interview with Andrea Mitchell the other day; if Pelosi had no concerns about Biden's status, I'm confident she would have shut down any chirping or whispering post-haste.so everybody wants NOW to see if it works THIS time? the reason/intent for the change is irrelevant in the face of the results of the previous attempts.fucking insane.
Our only hope is for someone else to step up.
If I could pick it would be Whitmer.0 -
Joe Bidendignin said:
I believe Biden is going to lose if he stays in.mickeyrat said:curmudgeoness said:We do, and we don't.Until this past week, while I had concerns about Biden's age I viewed him as the best/ least-worst option to defeat the other guy. But this story isn't going away; I had thought maybe it would disappear after a news cycle or two, especially in the wake of the SCOTUS immunity ruling, but instead it has gained momentum. I also think Nancy Pelosi really opened the door to having the conversation and making a change in her interview with Andrea Mitchell the other day; if Pelosi had no concerns about Biden's status, I'm confident she would have shut down any chirping or whispering post-haste.so everybody wants NOW to see if it works THIS time? the reason/intent for the change is irrelevant in the face of the results of the previous attempts.fucking insane.
Our only hope is for someone else to step up.
If I could pick it would be Whitmer.the war chest in the biden/harris campaign stays with the biden/harris campaign or a harris/insert name here campaign.dnc would have to forego finacial support to down ballot candidates and spend toward a non-harris ticket. pac money wouldnt cut it.
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That money will go to a PAC and the new candidate will make up the difference in no time.
I've heard many a Dem strategist say it will be not that big of a deal.
A bigger deal is sticking with a candidate that is the equivalency of the Titanic sinking.
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Look, I'm not happy with the situation. But desperate times call for desperate measures.
Did anyone really think nominating an 81 year old who will be 86 at the end of his term was a great idea?
I'm really sick of these old assholes that can't give it up. It's ridiculously selfish.
I truly believe Democracy in the US is literally at stake. Especially with the disaster going on at the supreme court. It's bananas right now.0 -
Joe Bidendignin said:That money will go to a PAC and the new candidate will make up the difference in no time.
I've heard many a Dem strategist say it will be not that big of a deal.
A bigger deal is sticking with a candidate that is the equivalency of the Titanic sinking.
https://prospect.org/power/2024-07-02-campaign-finance-laws-harris-big-boost-biden-dropout-scenario/
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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Yup, I understand all that.mickeyrat said:dignin said:That money will go to a PAC and the new candidate will make up the difference in no time.
I've heard many a Dem strategist say it will be not that big of a deal.
A bigger deal is sticking with a candidate that is the equivalency of the Titanic sinking.
https://prospect.org/power/2024-07-02-campaign-finance-laws-harris-big-boost-biden-dropout-scenario/
It's not going to be easy. But I do think there will be a lot of donors willing to open their wallets for a new exciting candidate.
100 million I think could be raised in no time.
There are currently a lot of big wallets closing shut for Biden as we speak.
Do you think if Biden stays he can pull this off? Honest question.0 -
Joe Bidendignin said:Look, I'm not happy with the situation. But desperate times call for desperate measures.
Did anyone really think nominating an 81 year old who will be 86 at the end of his term was a great idea?
I'm really sick of these old assholes that can't give it up. It's ridiculously selfish.
I truly believe Democracy in the US is literally at stake. Especially with the disaster going on at the supreme court. It's bananas right now.If democracy were not at stake, I could see taking a chance on another democrat. I can't imagine that working, but who knows? It would be interesting to see. But democracy is at stake and I am very wary of going with the incredibly long shot of pulling out the candidate that already won the nomination pre-convention.In any case, the fact of the matter is none of us is going to make whatever happens happen. The only thing any of us can do is throw all of our support at and vote for whomever is the Democratic candidate in November. There's nothing else we can do. Zip, zero, nada."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
you all want to give it all away to a convicted felon. nice."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Joe Bidendignin said:
Yup, I understand all that.mickeyrat said:dignin said:That money will go to a PAC and the new candidate will make up the difference in no time.
I've heard many a Dem strategist say it will be not that big of a deal.
A bigger deal is sticking with a candidate that is the equivalency of the Titanic sinking.
https://prospect.org/power/2024-07-02-campaign-finance-laws-harris-big-boost-biden-dropout-scenario/
It's not going to be easy. But I do think there will be a lot of donors willing to open their wallets for a new exciting candidate.
100 million I think could be raised in no time.
There are currently a lot of big wallets closing shut for Biden as we speak.
Do you think if Biden stays he can pull this off? Honest question.for the 2nd term?would hope so. if not, does it matter? really? theres always been the possibility of a President not fulfilling the whole term.This potential was considered in 2020 for me. This was before he assembled his cabinet. Remain comfortable with the decision then and this Nov._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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Kamala Harrisgimmesometruth27 said:you all want to give it all away to a convicted felon. nice.Not at all! I'm not sure who you're talking to here, but like Brian notes above, and as I've mentioned (again and again), the goal is to keep that orange a$$hole out of the White House. Period. That's it; that's all that matters.Whatever my personal preference might be, it's irrelevant. What's important is that Dems take a close look at Biden and at polling and line up behind the person most likely to defeat T---p, be that Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Josh Shapiro, etc.All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.0
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gimmesometruth27 said:you all want to give it all away to a convicted felon. nice.It’s the convicted felons opponent that has 80% of independents believing he is unfit to serve. No coming back from that. And the convictions will get tossed anyway.Go ask all the American trillionaires who they’re voting for.0
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No, do you think he can win?mickeyrat said:dignin said:
Yup, I understand all that.mickeyrat said:dignin said:That money will go to a PAC and the new candidate will make up the difference in no time.
I've heard many a Dem strategist say it will be not that big of a deal.
A bigger deal is sticking with a candidate that is the equivalency of the Titanic sinking.
https://prospect.org/power/2024-07-02-campaign-finance-laws-harris-big-boost-biden-dropout-scenario/
It's not going to be easy. But I do think there will be a lot of donors willing to open their wallets for a new exciting candidate.
100 million I think could be raised in no time.
There are currently a lot of big wallets closing shut for Biden as we speak.
Do you think if Biden stays he can pull this off? Honest question.for the 2nd term?would hope so. if not, does it matter? really? theres always been the possibility of a President not fulfilling the whole term.This potential was considered in 2020 for me. This was before he assembled his cabinet. Remain comfortable with the decision then and this Nov.0
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