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  • BC62528
    BC62528 Posts: 227
    edited June 2024
    Well, if the band decides Europe is no longer a place that is profitable, maybe they will consider coming to Hartford, CT to pack a house and turn out another stellar performance to a crowd that adores them!  COME BACK TO HARTFORD!!!
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  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,896
    edited June 2024
    PJNB said:
    Dynamic pricing is just new to the Pearl Jam world. It has been around forever. If the casual fans to any band have not caught on yet they never will. 
    It's been around for a decade, but the last few years more and more bands have started to use it.   Many bands tried not to use it in the earlier days. 

    I think more and more concert goers are figuring out, not so much that platinum exists, and what it is, but that the way to buy tickets is at the end, not the beginning.   People are still figuring it out, word of mouth still gets around, and I think it will continue to have a larger impact.

    It'll take a while.  We all grew up in the environment of buy tickets ASAP or deal with scalpers.   It's going to take even longer for our middle age generations to adapt to that.  I'm guessing the younger generations will adapt quicker.  The question is can TM turn the tide when that mindset gets entrenched.

    Even for myself, an experience concert goer.  I've only had the epiphany that waiting until the end is the way to go for the last 2 years.   I was fully aware of platinum tickets and loathed them.. but I wasn't really fully understanding the shift of when to buy tickets.
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  • Tjm007
    Tjm007 Posts: 189
    I think it sucks for fans who want to plan ahead.

    I also think that as the date approaches fans will make other plans or won’t bother going.

    The outcome will be less fans going to gigs as they can’t be bothered being ripped off by TM.
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,896
    Tjm007 said:
    I think it sucks for fans who want to plan ahead.

    I also think that as the date approaches fans will make other plans or won’t bother going.

    The outcome will be less fans going to gigs as they can’t be bothered being ripped off by TM.
    I agree.  It'd be nice if platinum starts to have a negative long term impact.
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,896
    Vedd Hedd said:
    Zod said:
    aisleseats said:
    EB236418 said:
    Don’t know if already posted, but has made the Sky money blog this morning:
    https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-interest-rates-money-latest-sky-news-blog-13040934?postid=7835530#liveblog-body
    I'm surprised so many people are surprised by this. "Dynamic Pricing" as they call it, has been Ticketmaster's primary model for over a decade. I've been screwed by it numerous times. 
    I remember U2 came to Arrowhead Stadium back in 2017. I had never been much of a U2 fan, but wanted to cross them off the bucket list. However, it wasn't worth it to me pay the high prices they were initially charging for lowers. So, the day tickets went on sale, I bought a pair of front row upper deck tickets for $119 each. The show didn't sell well. And by the week of the show, they had dropped tickets in my same section and row down to $29 each. Same thing happened at a Foo show in Memphis early the following year.
    The first few times it happened to me, I was as shocked and outraged as all these people. I called TM expecting some kind of refund on the difference. And each time, I was told it was just their dynamic pricing policy, and there was nothing I could do. There would be no refunds.
    Unfortunately, it's a TM world, and we're all forced to live in it.

    https://www.jacksonville.com/story/entertainment/local/2011/04/19/ticketmaster-roll-out-dynamic-pricing/15906803007/
    The whole dynamic pricing thing works, if people continue the mindset that they need to buy tickets right away during the original onsale.  It's becoming clearer, that with dynamic pricing, it's inverted.   If you have the patience, it's all about waiting until the last minute to buy tickets.

    I struggle with this because I have to travel to shows (as I live on an Island), so booking a ferry, hotel, days off work, it doesn't feel good to do without knowing you have tickets.   I would suspect for the overwhelming number of people that attend shows that don't require travel, the mindset is changing.  As time goes on, more and more people are realizing you don't buy tickets at the beginning, you buy them at the end. 

    It's kind of nice seeing this stuff start to backfire.  Except for the odd insanely popular artist, where it's going to be crazy no matter what, TM is retraining people's buying habits through dynamic pricing.    I wonder what the long term impact will be.  Almost no one buys tickets at the onsale, because better deals are to be had closer to showtime?
    I think shows might start to get cancelled early on if nothing sells right away.  
    Yah, which would probably be a wake up call for the industry.   They can probably do a show or two on a tour with poor sales, but if this starts spreading... damn...

    I do have to say the recent comments about how Europe is much less tolerable about high ticket prices than North America. I had no idea.   Maybe it's spreading.
  • Its_Imbas
    Its_Imbas Posts: 35
    MikeDigs said:
    Its_Imbas said:
    I’m hoping for Last Kiss for Berlin 1. I know I’m in the minority but my two daughters will be joining me and they will lose their minds (first show) in wishing for good vibes for all I suppose any haters can use the bathroom or buy beer/merch 
    Something Special reminds me of Last Kiss, but a better and newer song, plus it's an original Pearl Jam song.  Given that your daughters are going, wouldn't you rather get Something Special?
    It’s an original and it’s new and I’d be stoked to get it with them especially since it’s a song written to two daughters. Only reason I hope we’d get Last Kiss as well is that my girls have Last Kiss down by heart and could sing (scream) it out loud. No matter what it will be Something Special 
  • Muffin The Mule
    Muffin The Mule Amersham, Bucks Posts: 511
    Doesn't just seem to just be PJ who are having this problem as the mighty (!) Girls Aloud are offering half price tickets for the O2 this week. 
    Brixton Academy 14/7/93, Wembley Arena 29/5/00, Wembley Arena 18/6/07, London O2 18/8/09, Hyde Park 25/6/10, Manchester 20/6/12, Arras 30/6/12, Werchter 5/7/14, Leeds 8/7/14, Milton Keynes 11/7/14, Mexico City 28/11/15, Toronto 10/5/16, Toronto 12/5/16,  Amsterdam 12/6/18, Amsterdam 13/6/18, London O2 18/6/18, Werchter 7/7/18, London O2 17/7/18, Werchter 30/6/22, Hyde Park 8/7/22, Hyde Park 9/7/22, Budapest 12/7/22, Prague 22/7/22, Amsterdam 24/7/22, Amsterdam 25/7/22, Dublin 22/6/24, Manchester 25/6/24, London 29/6/2024, Berlin 2/7/24, Berlin 3/7/24 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    I'd watch Girls Aloud

    🎵IT'S THE SOUND OF THE UNDERGROUND 🎶 was and is a banger
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • rw160510
    rw160510 Posts: 1,072
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I'd watch Girls Aloud

    🎵IT'S THE SOUND OF THE UNDERGROUND 🎶 was and is a banger
    I went to see Girls Aloud back in the day ant the Manchester Arena and it was a cracking night out!
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    BC62528 said:
    Well, if the band decides Europe is no longer a place that is profitable, maybe they will consider coming to Hartford, CT to pack a house and turn out another stellar performance to a crowd that adores them!  COME BACK TO HARTFORD!!!
    Way to easy to let the Hartford 2008 show go to your head.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Kearn5y
    Kearn5y Ireland Posts: 3,035
    Muffin The Mule said:
    Doesn't just seem to just be PJ who are having this problem as the mighty (!) Girls Aloud are offering half price tickets for the O2 this week. 
    Girls Aloud announced extra shows despite original shows not being sold out + they area playing 30 arena shows across the UK and Ireland
    Kearnsy
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    GIRL POWAH
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Benglish
    Benglish GA USA Posts: 13
    bootlegger10 said:
    You guys suck the fun out of a Pearl Jam tour.  Go. Don’t go.  Whatever.

    Pumped for Dublin!
    THIS
    St. Paul 2023
    Noblesville 2023
    Las Vegas N1, N2 2024
    Noblesville 2024

  • eboweddie
    eboweddie Posts: 1,091
    Can't believe euro tour kicks off in Dublin this Saturday 
    .how amazing is that 14 years. It's.been too long
     


    i wish i wish i wish i wish, i guess it never stops
  • Kearn5y
    Kearn5y Ireland Posts: 3,035
    eboweddie said:
    Can't believe euro tour kicks off in Dublin this Saturday 
    .how amazing is that 14 years. It's.been too long
     

    Yep. Every time we missed out since then, always thought next time we would get lucky. Cant believe its the 5th European tour later. Cant wait
    Kearnsy
  • Adam Hewett
    Adam Hewett Posts: 126
    I am not 100% convinced it is solely ticket pricing. 

    The band is 30+ years old at this point. They're a legacy band, and they're popular, but they are not on the rise commercially anymore, and the fanbase that remains is (per their own words) the fanbase they've always wanted.

    McCready had a comment in PJ20 about Neil Young saying you can stay true to your craft as long as you're open to sometimes drawing big numbers (arenas, stadiums) but also drawing smaller numbers (amps, theaters).

    Is it that crazy that maybe Pearl Jam is not solely an arena or stadium band these days? Yes, people and media will always pay attention (somewhat) to a new album release. They most likely will sell 50k–100k per record, and hopefully their streaming numbers will stay consistent. Clearly, there will always be a live draw, but maybe we're starting to see a shift in the overall capacity.

    Is Pearl Jam open to realizing this change Neil discussed? Why attempt 40k stadiums when you could do a 14k–18k capacity arena? Multiple nights at bigger market arenas and theaters?
  • Zen23
    Zen23 Posts: 492
    My circle of friends includes both average Pearl Jam fans and die-hard Pearl fans. Everyone has basically always looked forward to seeing the band live in Europe every two years. No sign of oversaturation. This year I got exactly the same reaction from all these people: "The tickets are too expensive" and "It's outrageous that they charge the same price in all areas". I am aware that the tickets are cheaper now. But the damage has already been done.
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,214
    Adam Hewett said:
    I am not 100% convinced it is solely ticket pricing. 

    The band is 30+ years old at this point. They're a legacy band, and they're popular, but they are not on the rise commercially anymore, and the fanbase that remains is (per their own words) the fanbase they've always wanted.

    McCready had a comment in PJ20 about Neil Young saying you can stay true to your craft as long as you're open to sometimes drawing big numbers (arenas, stadiums) but also drawing smaller numbers (amps, theaters).

    Is it that crazy that maybe Pearl Jam is not solely an arena or stadium band these days? Yes, people and media will always pay attention (somewhat) to a new album release. They most likely will sell 50k–100k per record, and hopefully their streaming numbers will stay consistent. Clearly, there will always be a live draw, but maybe we're starting to see a shift in the overall capacity.

    Is Pearl Jam open to realizing this change Neil discussed? Why attempt 40k stadiums when you could do a 14k–18k capacity arena? Multiple nights at bigger market arenas and theaters?
    TBH I really hope so as stadiums suck 
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,214
    pdalowsky said:
    Adam Hewett said:
    I am not 100% convinced it is solely ticket pricing. 

    The band is 30+ years old at this point. They're a legacy band, and they're popular, but they are not on the rise commercially anymore, and the fanbase that remains is (per their own words) the fanbase they've always wanted.

    McCready had a comment in PJ20 about Neil Young saying you can stay true to your craft as long as you're open to sometimes drawing big numbers (arenas, stadiums) but also drawing smaller numbers (amps, theaters).

    Is it that crazy that maybe Pearl Jam is not solely an arena or stadium band these days? Yes, people and media will always pay attention (somewhat) to a new album release. They most likely will sell 50k–100k per record, and hopefully their streaming numbers will stay consistent. Clearly, there will always be a live draw, but maybe we're starting to see a shift in the overall capacity.

    Is Pearl Jam open to realizing this change Neil discussed? Why attempt 40k stadiums when you could do a 14k–18k capacity arena? Multiple nights at bigger market arenas and theaters?
    TBH I really hope so as stadiums suck 
    They will remain a top draw on the festival circuit 
  • lowbudgetlush
    lowbudgetlush Posts: 612
    Adam Hewett said:
    I am not 100% convinced it is solely ticket pricing. 

    The band is 30+ years old at this point. They're a legacy band, and they're popular, but they are not on the rise commercially anymore, and the fanbase that remains is (per their own words) the fanbase they've always wanted.

    McCready had a comment in PJ20 about Neil Young saying you can stay true to your craft as long as you're open to sometimes drawing big numbers (arenas, stadiums) but also drawing smaller numbers (amps, theaters).

    Is it that crazy that maybe Pearl Jam is not solely an arena or stadium band these days? Yes, people and media will always pay attention (somewhat) to a new album release. They most likely will sell 50k–100k per record, and hopefully their streaming numbers will stay consistent. Clearly, there will always be a live draw, but maybe we're starting to see a shift in the overall capacity.

    Is Pearl Jam open to realizing this change Neil discussed? Why attempt 40k stadiums when you could do a 14k–18k capacity arena? Multiple nights at bigger market arenas and theaters?

    I think you could be on to something.

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