London show selling terribly?

sdh8252 said:

Fans of huge rock band left fuming as tickets for stadium show are slashed by 50% after poor sales | The Sun

jimjam1982 said:

vedpunk said:

Last Europe tour?  They should have toured the Southeast US instead and would have sold more tickets with less overhead.  

Probably not an outrageous take.  Europe is an interesting study for this tour and this band.  

I think Europe sells best when they are in more desirable locations for US travelers with a better path to follow.  My guess is this tour is almost exclusively Europeans with very few USA/Canadian travelers. 

Dublin is cool and wish I could have made that... then Hop on over to Manchester (weird spot to land on) then down to a London football stadium show?? They haven't played a football stadium since Soldier Field as far as I know, weird jump to make.  That's just kind of a weird run probably doesn't appeal to much in terms of people outside those cities. 

Dublin > Glasgow/Edinburgh Scotland > Manchester > London normal arena or BST which is basically a super cool festival it seems like - now that's a much better run that draws more interest from traveling fans and could easily be a couple thousand more tickets sold. 

Then they randomly pop over to Berlin...okay so say thats where you start your visit....now you gotta go to fuckin spain after a few days in berlin and the surrounding area?? lol that's wild a huge swath of Europe is just skipped and you pop on a plane to Spain?- That's like playing NYC and then hoping over to El Paso and playing 3 shows between El Paso and Albuquerque  .....the math does not math here - that is just illogical it must have been a massive pay day for the festival so they just threw in 2 extra barcelona shows without really wanting to be on the road.

A more ideal run here would be Berlin x2 > Munich or Frankfurt > France or Switzerland or Milan > Barcelona x1 > festivals - This allows travelers to follow the run, maybe even choose to skip a show so you hit 3 in Germany then several days in Northern / Central Spain before wrapping up a visit in Portugal.

Clearly they made a plan to just avoid going to some of their usual destinations.  For me I passed on Europe not because of pricing but mainly because the path of travel doesn't make any sense for a visitor.  If I am crossing the pond it isn't to exclusively follow PJ. I am going to spend a few days in each city and willing to skip a PJ show on the run to do it. 

People like to say that these shows aren't mostly 10c but they are in fact mostly 10c.  The general public doesn't care to go see pearl jam for $200 USD.  16 shows since 2021 and almost everyone I talked to had seen them multiple times, not a single first timer, and they were almost all 10c or former 10c members. I'm not saying I speak with everyone at these shows because I obviously don't but when you have limited data samples, extrapolation rules apply and these are just the facts.

Combine static and formulaic sets and the band if they continue to go overseas will need to player smaller venues or play a well laid out itinerary and cluster of cities that entices visitors.

The path of travel this time around hurts ticket sales in addition to the inflated costs in my opinion.  It just didn't make sense to try and squeeze in visits and hit a few shows with the way it is scheduled.

SHZA said:

jimjam1982 said:

vedpunk said:

Last Europe tour?  They should have toured the Southeast US instead and would have sold more tickets with less overhead.  

Probably not an outrageous take.  Europe is an interesting study for this tour and this band.  

I think Europe sells best when they are in more desirable locations for US travelers with a better path to follow.  My guess is this tour is almost exclusively Europeans with very few USA/Canadian travelers. 

Dublin is cool and wish I could have made that... then Hop on over to Manchester (weird spot to land on) then down to a London football stadium show?? They haven't played a football stadium since Soldier Field as far as I know, weird jump to make.  That's just kind of a weird run probably doesn't appeal to much in terms of people outside those cities. 

Dublin > Glasgow/Edinburgh Scotland > Manchester > London normal arena or BST which is basically a super cool festival it seems like - now that's a much better run that draws more interest from traveling fans and could easily be a couple thousand more tickets sold. 

Then they randomly pop over to Berlin...okay so say thats where you start your visit....now you gotta go to fuckin spain after a few days in berlin and the surrounding area?? lol that's wild a huge swath of Europe is just skipped and you pop on a plane to Spain?- That's like playing NYC and then hoping over to El Paso and playing 3 shows between El Paso and Albuquerque  .....the math does not math here - that is just illogical it must have been a massive pay day for the festival so they just threw in 2 extra barcelona shows without really wanting to be on the road.

A more ideal run here would be Berlin x2 > Munich or Frankfurt > France or Switzerland or Milan > Barcelona x1 > festivals - This allows travelers to follow the run, maybe even choose to skip a show so you hit 3 in Germany then several days in Northern / Central Spain before wrapping up a visit in Portugal.

Clearly they made a plan to just avoid going to some of their usual destinations.  For me I passed on Europe not because of pricing but mainly because the path of travel doesn't make any sense for a visitor.  If I am crossing the pond it isn't to exclusively follow PJ. I am going to spend a few days in each city and willing to skip a PJ show on the run to do it. 

People like to say that these shows aren't mostly 10c but they are in fact mostly 10c.  The general public doesn't care to go see pearl jam for $200 USD.  16 shows since 2021 and almost everyone I talked to had seen them multiple times, not a single first timer, and they were almost all 10c or former 10c members. I'm not saying I speak with everyone at these shows because I obviously don't but when you have limited data samples, extrapolation rules apply and these are just the facts.

Combine static and formulaic sets and the band if they continue to go overseas will need to player smaller venues or play a well laid out itinerary and cluster of cities that entices visitors.

The path of travel this time around hurts ticket sales in addition to the inflated costs in my opinion.  It just didn't make sense to try and squeeze in visits and hit a few shows with the way it is scheduled.

Tottenham isn't an NFL-style football stadium like Soldier field. Football may be the closest analogue but they're still different sports and the stadiums are designed for different purposes 

EB236418 said:

Don’t know if already posted, but has made the Sky money blog this morning:

https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-interest-rates-money-latest-sky-news-blog-13040934?postid=7835530#liveblog-body

aisleseats said:

EB236418 said:

Don’t know if already posted, but has made the Sky money blog this morning:

https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-interest-rates-money-latest-sky-news-blog-13040934?postid=7835530#liveblog-body

I'm surprised so many people are surprised by this. "Dynamic Pricing" as they call it, has been Ticketmaster's primary model for over a decade. I've been screwed by it numerous times. 
I remember U2 came to Arrowhead Stadium back in 2017. I had never been much of a U2 fan, but wanted to cross them off the bucket list. However, it wasn't worth it to me pay the high prices they were initially charging for lowers. So, the day tickets went on sale, I bought a pair of front row upper deck tickets for $119 each. The show didn't sell well. And by the week of the show, they had dropped tickets in my same section and row down to $29 each. Same thing happened at a Foo show in Memphis early the following year.
The first few times it happened to me, I was as shocked and outraged as all these people. I called TM expecting some kind of refund on the difference. And each time, I was told it was just their dynamic pricing policy, and there was nothing I could do. There would be no refunds.
Unfortunately, it's a TM world, and we're all forced to live in it.

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/entertainment/local/2011/04/19/ticketmaster-roll-out-dynamic-pricing/15906803007/

Its_Imbas said:

I’m hoping for Last Kiss for Berlin 1. I know I’m in the minority but my two daughters will be joining me and they will lose their minds (first show) in wishing for good vibes for all I suppose any haters can use the bathroom or buy beer/merch 

Zod said:

aisleseats said:

EB236418 said:

Don’t know if already posted, but has made the Sky money blog this morning:

https://news.sky.com/story/inflation-interest-rates-money-latest-sky-news-blog-13040934?postid=7835530#liveblog-body

I'm surprised so many people are surprised by this. "Dynamic Pricing" as they call it, has been Ticketmaster's primary model for over a decade. I've been screwed by it numerous times. 
I remember U2 came to Arrowhead Stadium back in 2017. I had never been much of a U2 fan, but wanted to cross them off the bucket list. However, it wasn't worth it to me pay the high prices they were initially charging for lowers. So, the day tickets went on sale, I bought a pair of front row upper deck tickets for $119 each. The show didn't sell well. And by the week of the show, they had dropped tickets in my same section and row down to $29 each. Same thing happened at a Foo show in Memphis early the following year.
The first few times it happened to me, I was as shocked and outraged as all these people. I called TM expecting some kind of refund on the difference. And each time, I was told it was just their dynamic pricing policy, and there was nothing I could do. There would be no refunds.
Unfortunately, it's a TM world, and we're all forced to live in it.

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/entertainment/local/2011/04/19/ticketmaster-roll-out-dynamic-pricing/15906803007/

The whole dynamic pricing thing works, if people continue the mindset that they need to buy tickets right away during the original onsale.  It's becoming clearer, that with dynamic pricing, it's inverted.   If you have the patience, it's all about waiting until the last minute to buy tickets.

I struggle with this because I have to travel to shows (as I live on an Island), so booking a ferry, hotel, days off work, it doesn't feel good to do without knowing you have tickets.   I would suspect for the overwhelming number of people that attend shows that don't require travel, the mindset is changing.  As time goes on, more and more people are realizing you don't buy tickets at the beginning, you buy them at the end. 

It's kind of nice seeing this stuff start to backfire.  Except for the odd insanely popular artist, where it's going to be crazy no matter what, TM is retraining people's buying habits through dynamic pricing.    I wonder what the long term impact will be.  Almost no one buys tickets at the onsale, because better deals are to be had closer to showtime?