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So go to the store and buy it tomorrow. Your stereo does not have Bluetooth? The band gets the money wherever you buy it.BF25394 said:
Some of us are talking about CDs. Some of us order directly from the band to ensure that the band gets a greater share of the money. And, yes, some of us do not stream. For me, streaming means sitting at my computer playing YouTube videos. I want to put the CD on my stereo and blast it in SurroundSound in my living room, and play it in my car's CD player with virtual SurroundSound and where no one can complain about how loud I have it.elvistheking44 said:I plan on streaming the album tomorrow….on release day….and then picking up the vinyl on RSD. The fancy color variant will sound no different and the artwork will be similar. The whole preorder of an album that will be available to stream is such an outdated process. Do people not have anywhere to stream music from? Is vinyl your only way of hearing music?Post edited by elvistheking44 on0 -
elvistheking44 said:
So go to the store and buy it tomorrow. Your stereo does not have Bluetooth? The band gets the money wherever you buy it.BF25394 said:
Some of us are talking about CDs. Some of us order directly from the band to ensure that the band gets a greater share of the money. And, yes, some of us do not stream. For me, streaming means sitting at my computer playing YouTube videos. I want to put the CD on my stereo and blast it in SurroundSound in my living room, and play it in my car's CD player with virtual SurroundSound and where no one can complain about how loud I have it.elvistheking44 said:I plan on streaming the album tomorrow….on release day….and then picking up the vinyl on RSD. The fancy color variant will sound no different and the artwork will be similar. The whole preorder of an album that will be available to stream is such an outdated process. Do people not have anywhere to stream music from? Is vinyl your only way of hearing music?
The band sells the album at a wholesale price to retailers; some of that price goes to the distributor, and the band does not get the retailer's markup, which goes to the retailer. When the band sells directly to the consumer, it retains all of the proceeds from the sales. The band will net less than five dollars for a sale of the CD by a retailer but gets $17.98 when you buy it directly from the Ten Club. For the LP, the wholesale price is higher, but so is the DTC price, so it's the same idea.
No, my stereo does not have Bluetooth. I don't even know what that means in this context.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
That is the discussion. Welcome to the party. They delay shipping so you go buy a 2nd copy. While not truly a racket in the legal sense - it is a poor way of conducting business for your most loyal fans and shady by nature - which is often referred to as a racket in jest.elvistheking44 said:
So go to the store and buy it tomorrow. Your stereo does not have Bluetooth? The band gets the money wherever you buy it.BF25394 said:
Some of us are talking about CDs. Some of us order directly from the band to ensure that the band gets a greater share of the money. And, yes, some of us do not stream. For me, streaming means sitting at my computer playing YouTube videos. I want to put the CD on my stereo and blast it in SurroundSound in my living room, and play it in my car's CD player with virtual SurroundSound and where no one can complain about how loud I have it.elvistheking44 said:I plan on streaming the album tomorrow….on release day….and then picking up the vinyl on RSD. The fancy color variant will sound no different and the artwork will be similar. The whole preorder of an album that will be available to stream is such an outdated process. Do people not have anywhere to stream music from? Is vinyl your only way of hearing music?
At the end of the day, valuable lesson for me, was a first time ordering a new album from 10c. Won't do it again. I rip them open and play them so don't care about variants.0 -
"They delay shipping" implies that a deliberate decision was made not to ship these items sooner. I do not believe that is what happened. I think that they either were unable to fulfill a large number of orders with limited staffing, or they did not receive the items from the manufacturer when they expected them, or there was an issue with the shipping itself. Neither the members of the band nor the people working for them are as Machiavellian as some people here-- their biggest fans, in theory-- seem eager to believe.jimjam1982 said:
That is the discussion. Welcome to the party. They delay shipping so you go buy a 2nd copy. While not truly a racket in the legal sense - it is a poor way of conducting business for your most loyal fans and shady by nature - which is often referred to as a racket in jest.elvistheking44 said:
So go to the store and buy it tomorrow. Your stereo does not have Bluetooth? The band gets the money wherever you buy it.BF25394 said:
Some of us are talking about CDs. Some of us order directly from the band to ensure that the band gets a greater share of the money. And, yes, some of us do not stream. For me, streaming means sitting at my computer playing YouTube videos. I want to put the CD on my stereo and blast it in SurroundSound in my living room, and play it in my car's CD player with virtual SurroundSound and where no one can complain about how loud I have it.elvistheking44 said:I plan on streaming the album tomorrow….on release day….and then picking up the vinyl on RSD. The fancy color variant will sound no different and the artwork will be similar. The whole preorder of an album that will be available to stream is such an outdated process. Do people not have anywhere to stream music from? Is vinyl your only way of hearing music?I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
The band will be alright without your extra $9. I guess I just assume you have one of the multiple streaming services available in our world, you could connect to your stereo/car and play the album….on release day.BF25394 said:elvistheking44 said:
So go to the store and buy it tomorrow. Your stereo does not have Bluetooth? The band gets the money wherever you buy it.BF25394 said:
Some of us are talking about CDs. Some of us order directly from the band to ensure that the band gets a greater share of the money. And, yes, some of us do not stream. For me, streaming means sitting at my computer playing YouTube videos. I want to put the CD on my stereo and blast it in SurroundSound in my living room, and play it in my car's CD player with virtual SurroundSound and where no one can complain about how loud I have it.elvistheking44 said:I plan on streaming the album tomorrow….on release day….and then picking up the vinyl on RSD. The fancy color variant will sound no different and the artwork will be similar. The whole preorder of an album that will be available to stream is such an outdated process. Do people not have anywhere to stream music from? Is vinyl your only way of hearing music?
The band sells the album at a wholesale price to retailers; some of that price goes to the distributor, and the band does not get the retailer's markup, which goes to the retailer. When the band sells directly to the consumer, it retains all of the proceeds from the sales. The band will net less than five dollars for a sale of the CD by a retailer but gets $17.98 when you buy it directly from the Ten Club. For the LP, the wholesale price is higher, but so is the DTC price, so it's the same idea.
No, my stereo does not have Bluetooth. I don't even know what that means in this context.0 -
I checked the shipping for my Deluxe CD. It left Seattle at 1:11am on 4/17. As of 12:30 this afternoon it says arrived at the local UPS hub in Central Ohio and is en route to USPS.Post edited by tribejammer05 on"There's a $10,000 bill in it for you."
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I already told you I don't have any streaming services. Nor do I have any way to connect one to my stereo or car even if I did.elvistheking44 said:
The band will be alright without your extra $9. I guess I just assume you have one of the multiple streaming services available in our world, you could connect to your stereo/car and play the album….on release day.BF25394 said:elvistheking44 said:
So go to the store and buy it tomorrow. Your stereo does not have Bluetooth? The band gets the money wherever you buy it.BF25394 said:
Some of us are talking about CDs. Some of us order directly from the band to ensure that the band gets a greater share of the money. And, yes, some of us do not stream. For me, streaming means sitting at my computer playing YouTube videos. I want to put the CD on my stereo and blast it in SurroundSound in my living room, and play it in my car's CD player with virtual SurroundSound and where no one can complain about how loud I have it.elvistheking44 said:I plan on streaming the album tomorrow….on release day….and then picking up the vinyl on RSD. The fancy color variant will sound no different and the artwork will be similar. The whole preorder of an album that will be available to stream is such an outdated process. Do people not have anywhere to stream music from? Is vinyl your only way of hearing music?
The band sells the album at a wholesale price to retailers; some of that price goes to the distributor, and the band does not get the retailer's markup, which goes to the retailer. When the band sells directly to the consumer, it retains all of the proceeds from the sales. The band will net less than five dollars for a sale of the CD by a retailer but gets $17.98 when you buy it directly from the Ten Club. For the LP, the wholesale price is higher, but so is the DTC price, so it's the same idea.
No, my stereo does not have Bluetooth. I don't even know what that means in this context.
It's not a question of the band "being alright." It's a matter of wanting to compensate the band as fully as I can for their art and the hard work that goes into creating it. They are my favorite band. The value I have received over the past 30 years from this band's music and tours, and the friendships and other relationships that I have enjoyed because of a shared connection to their music is far outstripped by the money I have given them. I am happy to pay them well for what they do. They deserve it.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
That's where we disagree. Logistics are incredibly simple in 2024. You act like PJ and 10c are operating off 1990 equipment and tech. You know 10c doesn't press the vinyl themselves right? Santos isn't like out back melting plastic to press into a record. They take pre-orders and turn in the number to the vendor. The vendor fulfils the order or 10c gets discounts/rebates for failure to execute/breach of contract.BF25394 said:
"They delay shipping" implies that a deliberate decision was made not to ship these items sooner. I do not believe that is what happened. I think that they either were unable to fulfill a large number of orders with limited staffing, or they did not receive the items from the manufacturer when they expected them, or there was an issue with the shipping itself. Neither the members of the band nor the people working for them are as Machiavellian as some people here-- their biggest fans, in theory-- seem eager to believe.jimjam1982 said:
That is the discussion. Welcome to the party. They delay shipping so you go buy a 2nd copy. While not truly a racket in the legal sense - it is a poor way of conducting business for your most loyal fans and shady by nature - which is often referred to as a racket in jest.elvistheking44 said:
So go to the store and buy it tomorrow. Your stereo does not have Bluetooth? The band gets the money wherever you buy it.BF25394 said:
Some of us are talking about CDs. Some of us order directly from the band to ensure that the band gets a greater share of the money. And, yes, some of us do not stream. For me, streaming means sitting at my computer playing YouTube videos. I want to put the CD on my stereo and blast it in SurroundSound in my living room, and play it in my car's CD player with virtual SurroundSound and where no one can complain about how loud I have it.elvistheking44 said:I plan on streaming the album tomorrow….on release day….and then picking up the vinyl on RSD. The fancy color variant will sound no different and the artwork will be similar. The whole preorder of an album that will be available to stream is such an outdated process. Do people not have anywhere to stream music from? Is vinyl your only way of hearing music?
150% all these records are sitting in 10c warehouse and they just didn't show up to work to ship them in time.
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This. All of this. Ordering directly from the band will NEVER be as fast as ordering from someplace like Amazon. Different organizational structures. One is built to handle this demand, the other is a band/artist.BF25394 said:
"They delay shipping" implies that a deliberate decision was made not to ship these items sooner. I do not believe that is what happened. I think that they either were unable to fulfill a large number of orders with limited staffing, or they did not receive the items from the manufacturer when they expected them, or there was an issue with the shipping itself. Neither the members of the band nor the people working for them are as Machiavellian as some people here-- their biggest fans, in theory-- seem eager to believe.jimjam1982 said:
That is the discussion. Welcome to the party. They delay shipping so you go buy a 2nd copy. While not truly a racket in the legal sense - it is a poor way of conducting business for your most loyal fans and shady by nature - which is often referred to as a racket in jest.elvistheking44 said:
So go to the store and buy it tomorrow. Your stereo does not have Bluetooth? The band gets the money wherever you buy it.BF25394 said:
Some of us are talking about CDs. Some of us order directly from the band to ensure that the band gets a greater share of the money. And, yes, some of us do not stream. For me, streaming means sitting at my computer playing YouTube videos. I want to put the CD on my stereo and blast it in SurroundSound in my living room, and play it in my car's CD player with virtual SurroundSound and where no one can complain about how loud I have it.elvistheking44 said:I plan on streaming the album tomorrow….on release day….and then picking up the vinyl on RSD. The fancy color variant will sound no different and the artwork will be similar. The whole preorder of an album that will be available to stream is such an outdated process. Do people not have anywhere to stream music from? Is vinyl your only way of hearing music?"I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the [shows I've done]. Some folks just have one, others they got none..."
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So, we want them to outsource *another* thing to a massive corporation? It's worked well for tickets!Itsmillertyme said:
actually they could have hired Amazon to deliver these instead of Mail Incompetence but you know its about money not fansmpedone said:
Yeah, Ten Club! Be more like the massive multi-national corporation that specializes in expedited shipping! Why is this so hard for a band fan club to manage?? Where are the Ten Club delivery vans? Ten Club regional warehouses? Slackers!Itsmillertyme said:"I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the [shows I've done]. Some folks just have one, others they got none..."
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I have ordered every album directly from the 10C since Riot Act and I have never gotten one late. Gigaton I got on the exact release date. Everything else I got early.jimjam1982 said:
That is the discussion. Welcome to the party. They delay shipping so you go buy a 2nd copy. While not truly a racket in the legal sense - it is a poor way of conducting business for your most loyal fans and shady by nature - which is often referred to as a racket in jest.elvistheking44 said:
So go to the store and buy it tomorrow. Your stereo does not have Bluetooth? The band gets the money wherever you buy it.BF25394 said:
Some of us are talking about CDs. Some of us order directly from the band to ensure that the band gets a greater share of the money. And, yes, some of us do not stream. For me, streaming means sitting at my computer playing YouTube videos. I want to put the CD on my stereo and blast it in SurroundSound in my living room, and play it in my car's CD player with virtual SurroundSound and where no one can complain about how loud I have it.elvistheking44 said:I plan on streaming the album tomorrow….on release day….and then picking up the vinyl on RSD. The fancy color variant will sound no different and the artwork will be similar. The whole preorder of an album that will be available to stream is such an outdated process. Do people not have anywhere to stream music from? Is vinyl your only way of hearing music?
At the end of the day, valuable lesson for me, was a first time ordering a new album from 10c. Won't do it again. I rip them open and play them so don't care about variants.
And I suspect that some people will get their tomorrow, and many will get theirs before Monday. And I already got the downloads for the singles, so the rest should come today/tomorrow.Turn this anger into
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I'm not acting like anything. You're making my point. The Ten Club is beholden to other people, a manufacturer on the front end, and a shipping company on the back end. You acknowledge that the manufacturer can fall short of fulfilling the contract. There are a number of reasons why this can happen. No one should be unaware after the experience of the last few years of the fragility of the supply chain. If there was a failure to timely deliver by the manufacturer, and penalties for that failure, we are not privy to that information. You're just assuming that didn't happen, and jumping to the conclusion that something sinister happened.jimjam1982 said:
That's where we disagree. Logistics are incredibly simple in 2024. You act like PJ and 10c are operating off 1990 equipment and tech. You know 10c doesn't press the vinyl themselves right? Santos isn't like out back melting plastic to press into a record. They take pre-orders and turn in the number to the vendor. The vendor fulfils the order or 10c gets discounts/rebates for failure to execute/breach of contract.BF25394 said:
"They delay shipping" implies that a deliberate decision was made not to ship these items sooner. I do not believe that is what happened. I think that they either were unable to fulfill a large number of orders with limited staffing, or they did not receive the items from the manufacturer when they expected them, or there was an issue with the shipping itself. Neither the members of the band nor the people working for them are as Machiavellian as some people here-- their biggest fans, in theory-- seem eager to believe.jimjam1982 said:
That is the discussion. Welcome to the party. They delay shipping so you go buy a 2nd copy. While not truly a racket in the legal sense - it is a poor way of conducting business for your most loyal fans and shady by nature - which is often referred to as a racket in jest.elvistheking44 said:
So go to the store and buy it tomorrow. Your stereo does not have Bluetooth? The band gets the money wherever you buy it.BF25394 said:
Some of us are talking about CDs. Some of us order directly from the band to ensure that the band gets a greater share of the money. And, yes, some of us do not stream. For me, streaming means sitting at my computer playing YouTube videos. I want to put the CD on my stereo and blast it in SurroundSound in my living room, and play it in my car's CD player with virtual SurroundSound and where no one can complain about how loud I have it.elvistheking44 said:I plan on streaming the album tomorrow….on release day….and then picking up the vinyl on RSD. The fancy color variant will sound no different and the artwork will be similar. The whole preorder of an album that will be available to stream is such an outdated process. Do people not have anywhere to stream music from? Is vinyl your only way of hearing music?
150% all these records are sitting in 10c warehouse and they just didn't show up to work to ship them in time.
There seem to be a lot of people who assume malign motives on the part of the band and the people who work for the band, including those who run this fan club. If you are so sure that they're all just corrupt capitalists out to squeeze every dollar out of you-- despite a three-decade track record of looking out for their fans-- why do you continue to give them money to belong to this supposedly corrupt organization?I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
I also don't get what the big deal is here. The pre-order page states, "ORDERS WILL SHIP ON OR BEFORE RELEASE DATE", nothing about "You'll have the album ON release day". It'll be in most mailboxes on Monday. Three calendar days (and really, ONE shipping day; yes, USPS delivers on Saturday, but in my experience, they usually don't deliver packages on Saturday). Oh no, the horror of having to wait three days to spin a disc!As for the band taking pre-orders and then sitting on them so that we have to go out and buy the album... No, that's not what's happening. The mail will come when it comes. If you go out and buy another copy because you can't wait three days, that's on you, not the band."I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the [shows I've done]. Some folks just have one, others they got none..."
Hartford 10.02.96 | Mansfield 2 09.16.98 | Mansfield 1 08.29.00 | Mansfield 1 07.02.03 | Mansfield 3 07.11.03 | Boston 2 05.25.06 | Tampa 04.11.16 | Fenway 1 08.05.16 | Fenway 2 08.07.16 | Fenway 1 09.02.18 | Fenway 2 09.04.18 | Baltimore 03.28.20 | Hamilton 09.06.22 | Toronto 09.08.22 | Nashville 09.16.22 | St Louis 09.18.22 | Baltimore 09.12.24 | Fenway 1 09.15.24 | Fenway 2 09.17.24
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My date now shows 4/19, so it’s a big improvement from Monday!0
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Why couldn't they have sent them out a couple days earlier to those geographically farther away. Theyve been using mail innovations for a long time. I feel like they should know approximately how long it will take to arrive at this point. I'm used to 10c orders taking forever. Honestly I'm not at all surprised that I'll get mine next week. I just feel like there's SOMETHING that could've been done to mitigate the late arrival.Its good to be back!!0
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Just checked mine, and it hasn't moved an inch. Zero clue when it will arrive.0
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So…don’t post here often, but I’ve been in the Ten Club since 98. I have always ordered new releases from 10C. Many times I’ve had (at least) the cd a day early or on release day (not always, but more times than not).Since the “resurgence” of vinyl, I will order whatever variant is being released through 10C (with no expectation of delivery date). As far as day 1, I always assume if I want a physical copy…go to your local shop (or big box store if no shop is local).Amazon is reliable. If you want to guarantee a copy on day 1, pre-order there (next time).
Having said that…you people are loosing site of the fact that our favorite band is still making music! And it’s accessible to everyone, no matter where you are! Yes, I have to wait for my vinyl(s) to get here, but I’ll be damned if I won’t be reclined, steaming Dark Matter tonight at midnight!Love to you all, and I hope even if you don’t have a physical copy yet (as I won’t till next week), you’ll be rocking out DM with me tonight!0 -
I don't think anyone's losing sight of anything. We're excited about the new music and don't want to wait any longer than necessary for it. We've had April 19 circled on our calendars for over two months and it was reasonable to expect that our orders would have arrived by that date. It's annoying that they haven't. It won't diminish my excitement when it finally gets here.jmelugin said:So…don’t post here often, but I’ve been in the Ten Club since 98. I have always ordered new releases from 10C. Many times I’ve had (at least) the cd a day early or on release day (not always, but more times than not).Since the “resurgence” of vinyl, I will order whatever variant is being released through 10C (with no expectation of delivery date). As far as day 1, I always assume if I want a physical copy…go to your local shop (or big box store if no shop is local).Amazon is reliable. If you want to guarantee a copy on day 1, pre-order there (next time).
Having said that…you people are loosing site of the fact that our favorite band is still making music! And it’s accessible to everyone, no matter where you are! Yes, I have to wait for my vinyl(s) to get here, but I’ll be damned if I won’t be reclined, steaming Dark Matter tonight at midnight!Love to you all, and I hope even if you don’t have a physical copy yet (as I won’t till next week), you’ll be rocking out DM with me tonight!
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My label was printed on April 2 and there are no additional updates. I feel this has happened before from stuff I have gotten from Ten Club. So I am kind of expecting it to show up tomorrow. Or whenever it gets here.0
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You’re right. It is annoying. Guess I’m just excited! I haven’t listened to anything but the singles so far. Can’t wait for midnight!!BF25394 said:
I don't think anyone's losing sight of anything. We're excited about the new music and don't want to wait any longer than necessary for it. We've had April 19 circled on our calendars for over two months and it was reasonable to expect that our orders would have arrived by that date. It's annoying that they haven't. It won't diminish my excitement when it finally gets here.jmelugin said:So…don’t post here often, but I’ve been in the Ten Club since 98. I have always ordered new releases from 10C. Many times I’ve had (at least) the cd a day early or on release day (not always, but more times than not).Since the “resurgence” of vinyl, I will order whatever variant is being released through 10C (with no expectation of delivery date). As far as day 1, I always assume if I want a physical copy…go to your local shop (or big box store if no shop is local).Amazon is reliable. If you want to guarantee a copy on day 1, pre-order there (next time).
Having said that…you people are loosing site of the fact that our favorite band is still making music! And it’s accessible to everyone, no matter where you are! Yes, I have to wait for my vinyl(s) to get here, but I’ll be damned if I won’t be reclined, steaming Dark Matter tonight at midnight!Love to you all, and I hope even if you don’t have a physical copy yet (as I won’t till next week), you’ll be rocking out DM with me tonight!0
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