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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,832
    30 minutes? I had no idea.

    (Guess I've never been polled).
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,720
    OnWis97 said:
    30 minutes? I had no idea.

    (Guess I've never been polled).
    I'm not disagreeing with those points, I just have an additional theory based on my experience.  

    Last year (maybe it was the year before) I got a text for some VA polling.  I answered it.  It was run by Youngkin or something.  Anyway I answered the poll and after that I got barraged with other text poll requests.  So that tells me two things:

    1. These polling providers are selling data to each other on people who will respond
    2. That means you get repeat responders likely and therefore maybe not a truly representative sample.  
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,713
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    30 minutes? I had no idea.

    (Guess I've never been polled).
    I'm not disagreeing with those points, I just have an additional theory based on my experience.  

    Last year (maybe it was the year before) I got a text for some VA polling.  I answered it.  It was run by Youngkin or something.  Anyway I answered the poll and after that I got barraged with other text poll requests.  So that tells me two things:

    1. These polling providers are selling data to each other on people who will respond
    2. That means you get repeat responders likely and therefore maybe not a truly representative sample.  
    What do you make of these polls? A 22% spread on whose policies “personally helped/hurt.” Fourth one down. More concerning to me is that the billionaire class is back to supporting POOTWH and are opening up their wallets and checkbooks. Some maxing out the PAC contributions at $875K and donating to his legal defense $1M+. Both the polls and the billionaires, obscene. Totally obscene.

    https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/times-siena-poll-coverage

    And hence why I don’t put too much if any stock in a dem winning a state house seat in a special election in a deep red state as some kind of harbinger of federal congressional and POTUS elections.
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,706
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    30 minutes? I had no idea.

    (Guess I've never been polled).
    I'm not disagreeing with those points, I just have an additional theory based on my experience.  

    Last year (maybe it was the year before) I got a text for some VA polling.  I answered it.  It was run by Youngkin or something.  Anyway I answered the poll and after that I got barraged with other text poll requests.  So that tells me two things:

    1. These polling providers are selling data to each other on people who will respond
    2. That means you get repeat responders likely and therefore maybe not a truly representative sample.  
    What do you make of these polls? A 22% spread on whose policies “personally helped/hurt.” Fourth one down. More concerning to me is that the billionaire class is back to supporting POOTWH and are opening up their wallets and checkbooks. Some maxing out the PAC contributions at $875K and donating to his legal defense $1M+. Both the polls and the billionaires, obscene. Totally obscene.

    https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/times-siena-poll-coverage

    And hence why I don’t put too much if any stock in a dem winning a state house seat in a special election in a deep red state as some kind of harbinger of federal congressional and POTUS elections.
    Crazy how these polls reflect the effectiveness of narrative control over actual reality. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,713
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    30 minutes? I had no idea.

    (Guess I've never been polled).
    I'm not disagreeing with those points, I just have an additional theory based on my experience.  

    Last year (maybe it was the year before) I got a text for some VA polling.  I answered it.  It was run by Youngkin or something.  Anyway I answered the poll and after that I got barraged with other text poll requests.  So that tells me two things:

    1. These polling providers are selling data to each other on people who will respond
    2. That means you get repeat responders likely and therefore maybe not a truly representative sample.  
    What do you make of these polls? A 22% spread on whose policies “personally helped/hurt.” Fourth one down. More concerning to me is that the billionaire class is back to supporting POOTWH and are opening up their wallets and checkbooks. Some maxing out the PAC contributions at $875K and donating to his legal defense $1M+. Both the polls and the billionaires, obscene. Totally obscene.

    https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/times-siena-poll-coverage

    And hence why I don’t put too much if any stock in a dem winning a state house seat in a special election in a deep red state as some kind of harbinger of federal congressional and POTUS elections.
    Crazy how these polls reflect the effectiveness of narrative control over actual reality. 
    ‘Murica’s collective amnesia about the time from 1/20/17 to 1/20/21 is astonishing but not surprising. 
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    https://apnews.com/article/paul-pelosi-nancy-hammer-attack-depape-sentence-b41b6c776fb27f62913e3754afa1ceac   Man convicted of attacking ex-Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband with a hammer sentenced to 30 years

     
    Man convicted of attacking ex-Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband with a hammer sentenced to 30 years
    By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ
    1 hour ago

    SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The man convicted of attempting to kidnap then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and attacking her husband with a hammer was sentenced Friday to 30 years in prison.

    Judge Jacqueline Scott Corley handed down the sentence for David DePape, 44, whom jurors found guilty last November of attempted kidnapping of a federal official and assault on the immediate family member of a federal official. Prosecutors had asked for a 40-year prison term.

    DePape was given 20 years for one count and 30 years for another count. The sentences will run concurrently. He was also given credit for the 18 months that he's been in custody.

    DePape stood silently as Judge Corley handed the sentence and looked down at times. His public defense attorneys had asked the judge to sentence him to 14 years, pointing out that he was going through a difficult time in his life and had no prior criminal history.

    Corley said she took into account when giving DePape’s sentence the fact that he broke into the home of a public official, an unprecedented act in the history of the country.

    “He actually went to the home, that is completely, completely unprecedented,” she said.

    Before sentencing, Christine Pelosi read victim statements on behalf of her father and mother, explaining how the violent attack changed their lives.

    “The Pelosi family couldn’t be prouder of their Pop and his tremendous courage in saving his own life on the night of the attack and in testifying in this case,” Aaron Bennett, a spokesperson for Nancy Pelosi, said in a statement. “Speaker Pelosi and her family are immensely grateful to all who have sent love and prayers over the last eighteen months, as Mr. Pelosi continues his recovery.”

    DePape admitted during trial testimony that he broke into the Pelosis’ San Francisco home Oct. 28, 2022, intending to hold the speaker hostage and “break her kneecaps” if she lied to him. He also admitted to bludgeoning Paul Pelosi with a hammer after police showed up, saying his plan to end what he viewed as government corruption was unraveling.

    The attack on Paul Pelosi, who was 82 at the time, was captured on police body camera video just days before the midterm elections and sent shockwaves through the political world.

    Defense attorneys argued DePape was motivated by his political beliefs, not because he wanted to interfere with Nancy Pelosi’s official duties as a member of Congress, making the charges against him invalid.

    One of his attorneys, Angela Chuang, said during closing arguments that DePape was caught up in conspiracy theories.

    At trial DePape, a Canadian who moved to the U.S. more than 20 years ago, testified that he believed news outlets repeatedly lied about former President Donald Trump. In rants posted on a blog and online forum that were taken down after his arrest, DePape echoed the baseless, right-wing QAnon conspiracy theory that claims a cabal of devil-worshipping pedophiles runs the U.S. government.

    DePape also told jurors he had planned to wear an inflatable unicorn costume and record his interrogation of the Democratic speaker, who was not at the home at the time of the attack, to upload it online.

    Prosecutors said he had rope and zip ties with him, and detectives found body cameras, a computer and a tablet.

    Paul Pelosi also testified at the trial, recalling how he was awakened by a large man bursting into the bedroom and asking, “Where’s Nancy?” He said that when he responded that his wife was in Washington, DePape said he would tie him up while they waited for her.

    “It was a tremendous sense of shock to recognize that somebody had broken into the house, and looking at him and looking at the hammer and the ties, I recognized that I was in serious danger, so I tried to stay as calm as possible,” Pelosi told jurors.

    DePape is also charged in state court with assault with a deadly weapon, elder abuse, residential burglary and other felonies. Jury selection in that trial is expected to start Wednesday.

    Paul Pelosi suffered two head wounds in the attack, including a skull fracture that was mended with plates and screws he will have for the rest of his life. His right arm and hand were also injured.


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