Democrats

jimjam1982

So no plan?

Here's a starting point:

1) dial back fake news rhetoric 
2) dial back on calling everyone a racist
3) compromise on items like border control and foreign aid
4) acknowledge americans as real people that you care about instead of putting foreigners first
5) legalize weed - pretty sure they could have passed this when biden was in office - missed opp.
6) Kick AOC and her cronies out of the party - banish them
7) Understand the majority of americans don't want taxes and want reduced spending

You can still be the democratic party and for the people and improve things like plans to pass laws that people want like womens rights and gun control, but they need to compromise on the other areas of the ultra left agenda and be come centrists.

Halifax2TheMax

You can’t fix stupid. Dems should just admit this is what the ‘Murican people want and let them and repubs own it. There won’t be free and “fair” elections in 2026, the courts aren’t going to stop any of it and the majority of ‘Muricans either like what they see, happy days are here again, or don’t give two flying fucks.

Turn out the lights, step back and watch the unmitigated disaster unfold. It’s too late.

mrussel1

jimjam1982 said:

So no plan?

Here's a starting point:

1) dial back fake news rhetoric 
2) dial back on calling everyone a racist
3) compromise on items like border control and foreign aid
4) acknowledge americans as real people that you care about instead of putting foreigners first
5) legalize weed - pretty sure they could have passed this when biden was in office - missed opp.
6) Kick AOC and her cronies out of the party - banish them
7) Understand the majority of americans don't want taxes and want reduced spending

You can still be the democratic party and for the people and improve things like plans to pass laws that people want like womens rights and gun control, but they need to compromise on the other areas of the ultra left agenda and be come centrists.

Hey, you may not know this so that's cool.  None of us work for the DNC.  So the fact that three people didn't come up with a plan to satisfy you doesn't exactly mean the DNC isn't thinking of something.  Most of us are just tooling around here while we eat lunch and decompressing from work, not writing strategy for the party.  

Gern Blansten

OnWis97 said:

I'd also love it if we didn't have to rely on economic disaster to find a way out of this nonsense. All the Project 2025 shit should really be enough. We're basically accepting that the Dems can only reach people that feel directly hurt by it. 

I'm more concerned with Russian/pro trump propaganda in social media. The trump admin recently dialed back the monitoring of this.

That is likely what got him the election.

brianlux

Democratic lawmakers need to get tough.  Holding up little paddles during the Felon's speech is not tough, it look-- it is-- weak. 

Gern Blansten

jimjam1982 said:

So no plan?

Here's a starting point:

1) dial back fake news rhetoric 
2) dial back on calling everyone a racist
3) compromise on items like border control and foreign aid
4) acknowledge americans as real people that you care about instead of putting foreigners first
5) legalize weed - pretty sure they could have passed this when biden was in office - missed opp.
6) Kick AOC and her cronies out of the party - banish them
7) Understand the majority of americans don't want taxes and want reduced spending

You can still be the democratic party and for the people and improve things like plans to pass laws that people want like womens rights and gun control, but they need to compromise on the other areas of the ultra left agenda and be come centrists.

1: trump and Co are the ones constantly going on about fake news...not sure what that means 
2: Doesn't happen
3: tried that...had a good bill and trump killed it...don't blame dems for that
4: makes no sense
5: agreed
6: more nonsense...AOC is very popular in her district
7: can't have any spending without taxes...but I agree that the dems should champion the lower and middle classes. Make income tax non-existent for them even more than now and increase the top rates

OnWis97

jimjam1982 said:

So no plan?

Here's a starting point:

1) dial back fake news rhetoric 
2) dial back on calling everyone a racist
3) compromise on items like border control and foreign aid
4) acknowledge americans as real people that you care about instead of putting foreigners first
5) legalize weed - pretty sure they could have passed this when biden was in office - missed opp.
6) Kick AOC and her cronies out of the party - banish them
7) Understand the majority of americans don't want taxes and want reduced spending

You can still be the democratic party and for the people and improve things like plans to pass laws that people want like womens rights and gun control, but they need to compromise on the other areas of the ultra left agenda and be come centrists.

Be MAGA light? The party is already centrist. This reads like the GOP has the moral high ground and if that's how you feel, isn't the best outcome for the Dems to keep floundering?

1. At first I thought you meant "stop spreading fake news," which would earn a huge LOL, given that fake news is responsible for MAGA domination. But maybe you meant stop complaining about fake news, which earns a small LOL. Fake news is real and it's spectacular. What I'd like is for the Dems to find a way to debunk it but that's probably not possible. Oh shit, I think I just saw a migrant caravan out my window. 

2. That's more like left-wing social media participants. Calling everyone racist is not a part of the Dem platform (if they even have one)

3. Last time they tried to compromise on border control, the GOP stood in the way so things would get worse and help Trump win. Hard to compromise with such bad-faith actors.

4. (See #1 on fake news). Nobody's putting foreigners first...well the Dems are not anyway. They've said "America First" so much that your suspicion should be triggered.

5. I've long thought that either party would get a bump if it came out hard for weed legalization. I'm not exactly sure why neither one has. The GOP likes weed offenders being locked up for inordinate amounts of time in private prisons. That all said, can it be legalized nationally or is this more state by state?

6. Nah. Vote out the do-nothings that sit in their cushy jobs seemingly oblivious to the gravity of what's going on. The quiet "voting the way I'd vote" nature of my rep (Betty McCollum) isn't doing much. The GOP is winning in large part because of (while this is in many ways a false equivalency) the MTGs of the party. They're loud and obnoxious and it's working. AOC care about regular working people far more than these assholes currently cheering on billionaire robber barons do. We need AOC types saying "look; these people are stealing from you. Elon just killed a federal agency with an actual great success record of protecting people like you from people like him. We also need leadership who's been laughed at for having been a bartender or a community organizer instead of a birthright billionaire."

7. The majority of Americans DO want taxes (maybe not as high). Reduced spending? Sure but it's basically a platitude. The challenging part of leadership here is conveying the message that you can't slash spending overnight (though President Musk might be making that an easier message to send).


None of this is to say that the Dems know what they are going or are equal to the task. But being MAGA light isn't the way.

HughFreakingDillon

jimjam1982 said:

So no plan?

Here's a starting point:

1) dial back fake news rhetoric 
2) dial back on calling everyone a racist
3) compromise on items like border control and foreign aid
4) acknowledge americans as real people that you care about instead of putting foreigners first
5) legalize weed - pretty sure they could have passed this when biden was in office - missed opp.
6) Kick AOC and her cronies out of the party - banish them
7) Understand the majority of americans don't want taxes and want reduced spending

You can still be the democratic party and for the people and improve things like plans to pass laws that people want like womens rights and gun control, but they need to compromise on the other areas of the ultra left agenda and be come centrists.

1. Um…WHAT. 

Most of this post is garbage, but the dems are always in a tough spot whrn it comes to taxes vs services. 

“R’s cut everything, including taxes on the rich, you need to fix this!”. 

“Ok, then we’ll tax the rich”
”THAT’S NOT FAIR. THEY EARNED THAT MONEY FAIR AND SQUARE”
”alright, then we’ll tax you”
”WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DEM PARTY??”

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

jimjam1982 said:

So no plan?

Here's a starting point:

1) dial back fake news rhetoric 
2) dial back on calling everyone a racist
3) compromise on items like border control and foreign aid
4) acknowledge americans as real people that you care about instead of putting foreigners first
5) legalize weed - pretty sure they could have passed this when biden was in office - missed opp.
6) Kick AOC and her cronies out of the party - banish them
7) Understand the majority of americans don't want taxes and want reduced spending

You can still be the democratic party and for the people and improve things like plans to pass laws that people want like womens rights and gun control, but they need to compromise on the other areas of the ultra left agenda and be come centrists.

1. Um…WHAT. 

Most of this post is garbage, but the dems are always in a tough spot whrn it comes to taxes vs services. 

“R’s cut everything, including taxes on the rich, you need to fix this!”. 

“Ok, then we’ll tax the rich”
”THAT’S NOT FAIR. THEY EARNED THAT MONEY FAIR AND SQUARE”
”alright, then we’ll tax you”
”WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DEM PARTY??”

I can't tell you how many times I've had this argument with my magat sister in law. She is just totally opposed to billionaires paying more tax because "they work hard for their money."

Bentleyspop

HughFreakingDillon said:

jimjam1982 said:

So no plan?

Here's a starting point:

1) dial back fake news rhetoric 
2) dial back on calling everyone a racist
3) compromise on items like border control and foreign aid
4) acknowledge americans as real people that you care about instead of putting foreigners first
5) legalize weed - pretty sure they could have passed this when biden was in office - missed opp.
6) Kick AOC and her cronies out of the party - banish them
7) Understand the majority of americans don't want taxes and want reduced spending

You can still be the democratic party and for the people and improve things like plans to pass laws that people want like womens rights and gun control, but they need to compromise on the other areas of the ultra left agenda and be come centrists.

1. Um…WHAT. 

Most of this post is garbage, but the dems are always in a tough spot whrn it comes to taxes vs services. 

“R’s cut everything, including taxes on the rich, you need to fix this!”. 

“Ok, then we’ll tax the rich”
”THAT’S NOT FAIR. THEY EARNED THAT MONEY FAIR AND SQUARE”
”alright, then we’ll tax you”
”WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DEM PARTY??”

retRUmplican voters always vote against their best interests.
Especially when it comes to taxing, or not taxing, the richest among us.

mickeyrat

DE4173 said:

How are we feeling this morning?

really tired. 2nd night back at work and they sent me on a 643 mile run. didnt get home til 1030 this morning.

spent the night in blissful silence just listening to the hum of the motor, tires on pavement and the wind.

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

jimjam1982 said:

So no plan?

Here's a starting point:

1) dial back fake news rhetoric 
2) dial back on calling everyone a racist
3) compromise on items like border control and foreign aid
4) acknowledge americans as real people that you care about instead of putting foreigners first
5) legalize weed - pretty sure they could have passed this when biden was in office - missed opp.
6) Kick AOC and her cronies out of the party - banish them
7) Understand the majority of americans don't want taxes and want reduced spending

You can still be the democratic party and for the people and improve things like plans to pass laws that people want like womens rights and gun control, but they need to compromise on the other areas of the ultra left agenda and be come centrists.

Hey, you may not know this so that's cool.  None of us work for the DNC.  So the fact that three people didn't come up with a plan to satisfy you doesn't exactly mean the DNC isn't thinking of something.  Most of us are just tooling around here while we eat lunch and decompressing from work, not writing strategy for the party.  

fucking slackers....

brianlux

Democrats need a spark.  Who will provide one?  Trae, perhaps?

https://www.instagram.com/officialtraecrowder/reel/DGyxvbtSIRh/

josevolution

brianlux said:

Democrats need a spark.  Who will provide one?  Trae, perhaps?

https://www.instagram.com/officialtraecrowder/reel/DGyxvbtSIRh/

I’d say they need a visionary! The party had plenty of warning on what this president was going to do and they failed miserably 

mickeyrat

josevolution said:

brianlux said:

Democrats need a spark.  Who will provide one?  Trae, perhaps?

https://www.instagram.com/officialtraecrowder/reel/DGyxvbtSIRh/

I’d say they need a visionary! The party had plenty of warning on what this president was going to do and they failed miserably 

Bullshit. Harris was a candidate for 100 days, and came within under 2 percentage points. Same factors that play in 2016 and 2020 where it play here misinformation, disinformation Etc. And there are a handful of counties across two states at least that are conducting audits of the of the counting process, as it was reported there were glitches during that process. One or two counties in Pennsylvania, and Maricopa County Arizona.

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

josevolution said:

brianlux said:

Democrats need a spark.  Who will provide one?  Trae, perhaps?

https://www.instagram.com/officialtraecrowder/reel/DGyxvbtSIRh/

I’d say they need a visionary! The party had plenty of warning on what this president was going to do and they failed miserably 

Bullshit. Harris was a candidate for 100 days, and came within under 2 percentage points. Same factors that play in 2016 and 2020 where it play here misinformation, disinformation Etc. And there are a handful of counties across two states at least that are conducting audits of the of the counting process, as it was reported there were glitches during that process. One or two counties in Pennsylvania, and Maricopa County Arizona.

Yeah I generally agree.  I am getting tired of the narrative, considering the election wasn't a blowout, certainly not by historic standards.  Yet we act like the election was 70/30.  It's a bit silly but the same overreaction took place in 2021 and everyone declared Trump dead, the GOP dead and the only chance was DeSantis.  So like every other time this happens, the D's will bounce back.  It's just the nature of politics.  

OnWis97

On one hand, you could argue that it's pretty impressive that they went through the whole "Dementia Joe" fiasco, had 100 days with a not-particularly popular candidate, and had to overcome the most blatant partisan move of media we've ever seen* and lost what people have to remember was a close race. *Media being the new way people are reached; social media, podcasts, etc.

On the other hand, they lost to someone that left us exhausted for four years, asked Georgia to find 11,000 votes, staged a ham-handed attempted coup, and clearly fights, fights, fights for himself. A party that had its shit together would have found a way. And they shit the bed with every demographic except for black women. Everyone else was already all-in for MAGA or moved towards it.

I admit I thought things were going to be different forever way back with the Contract for America. But it ebbed and flowed. That said, here's what concerns me (in no particularly order except that the first bullet is most important):

• The coup. Are we even going to have legitimate elections? Trump's whining about stolen elections may boil down to his insecurity but the rest of the party is playing the long game.
• For decades being socially liberal was "cool." Casual homophobia was replaced by some acceptance in the 1990s and we eventually had gay marriage. There were periods where "I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative" was bordering on cliche. Now being socially conservative is cool. People actually believe that being married with children is "counterculture." It's easier to scare people with "transgender" than it was with "gay." If social conservatism is cool for as long as social liberalism was, any party left of Atilla the Hun is cooked.
• Somewhat connected, but MAGA is cool, now. Rappers, authors of seemingly inclusive books, athletes, business people, etc. etc. are all moving that way (not literally every one of them, I know), even some of Hollyweird. I know, we're not supposed to care about those people and I don't but they do serve as a bit of a social barometer at times. MAGA was the party of the white male working class and only won because of Hillary's unpopularity (another Dem fuck up). Now? It's the party of everyone.
• The outrage machine that started with a bloviating radio jackass named Rush Limbaugh is now bigger than the wellness industry (not a fact; just a rhetorical way to make my point though perhaps it's true). If the Dems/left were able to match this it would have happened. Either Air America would have made it or something. All they have is the fact that Jon Stewart is funnier than the hundreds of people that are actually directing narrative.
• The Billionaires. Every cycle we see campaign funding records broken. Brace yourselves for 2026. Elon might break mid-term records on his own. The billionaires see that consolidation of power is going to help them immensely. They're all bending the knee; in part out of fear of being shut down or arrested and part because of the dollar signs in their eyes.

We'll see, but this feels different. I think the wild card is what happens after Trump is gone. The anger machine is aware of his mortality. And they're figuring out how to keep MAGA where it is today (i.e., the only party that matters). Will they be able to? The voices are strong, persuasive, and able to lie without so much as being questioned....

brianlux

josevolution said:

brianlux said:

Democrats need a spark.  Who will provide one?  Trae, perhaps?

https://www.instagram.com/officialtraecrowder/reel/DGyxvbtSIRh/

I’d say they need a visionary! The party had plenty of warning on what this president was going to do and they failed miserably 

That would help!

I know there are a handful of outspoken democrats who are doing what they can so save democracy, but there are not enough doing enough.  Holding up little paddles and looking stone-faced during the felon's speech is not doing nearly enough (actually, it was embarrassing).  We need action and traction.

hunterh75

The Dims set themselves back even more after Tuesday night's embarrassing display.  Maybe they should go back to the BLM and Antifa ways of rioting, burning businesses and buildings, handing out free needles to dope heads, desecrating monuments and statues, welcoming criminal ILLEGAL immigrants into the country, extreme taxpayer waste....well, you get the picture. 

TDS is strong on these threads

Go Beavers

hunterh75 said:

The Dims set themselves back even more after Tuesday night's embarrassing display.  Maybe they should go back to the BLM and Antifa ways of rioting, burning businesses and buildings, handing out free needles to dope heads, desecrating monuments and statues, welcoming criminal ILLEGAL immigrants into the country, extreme taxpayer waste....well, you get the picture. 

TDS is strong on these threads

We can see the derangement. 

mrussel1

hunterh75 said:

The Dims set themselves back even more after Tuesday night's embarrassing display.  Maybe they should go back to the BLM and Antifa ways of rioting, burning businesses and buildings, handing out free needles to dope heads, desecrating monuments and statues, welcoming criminal ILLEGAL immigrants into the country, extreme taxpayer waste....well, you get the picture. 

TDS is strong on these threads

Yes Americans are going to be super pissed about that, while they can't find eggs in the grocery stores, staglation all around, negative GDP growth, tariffs, higher prices and rising unemployment.  None of that matters in the face of some signs and yelling at a speech.  

mrussel1

hunterh75 said:

The Dims set themselves back even more after Tuesday night's embarrassing display.  Maybe they should go back to the BLM and Antifa ways of rioting, burning businesses and buildings, handing out free needles to dope heads, desecrating monuments and statues, welcoming criminal ILLEGAL immigrants into the country, extreme taxpayer waste....well, you get the picture. 

TDS is strong on these threads

Just wait until all of these people who had their jobs cut last month hear about that speech.  Hell...to.....pay...

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/06/layoff-announcements-soar-to-the-highest-since-2020-as-doge-slashes-federal-staff-.html

The firm reported that U.S. employers announced 172,017 layoffs for the month, up 245% from January and the highest monthly count since July 2020 during the heightened uncertainty from the Covid pandemic. In addition, it marked the highest total for the month of February since 2009 during the global financial crisis.

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

hunterh75 said:

The Dims set themselves back even more after Tuesday night's embarrassing display.  Maybe they should go back to the BLM and Antifa ways of rioting, burning businesses and buildings, handing out free needles to dope heads, desecrating monuments and statues, welcoming criminal ILLEGAL immigrants into the country, extreme taxpayer waste....well, you get the picture. 

TDS is strong on these threads

Just wait until all of these people who had their jobs cut last month hear about that speech.  Hell...to.....pay...

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/06/layoff-announcements-soar-to-the-highest-since-2020-as-doge-slashes-federal-staff-.html

The firm reported that U.S. employers announced 172,017 layoffs for the month, up 245% from January and the highest monthly count since July 2020 during the heightened uncertainty from the Covid pandemic. In addition, it marked the highest total for the month of February since 2009 during the global financial crisis.

Hey! Woke is DEAD!

DE4173

AI, because 

sike! 😉

brianlux

mrussel1 said:

hunterh75 said:

The Dims set themselves back even more after Tuesday night's embarrassing display.  Maybe they should go back to the BLM and Antifa ways of rioting, burning businesses and buildings, handing out free needles to dope heads, desecrating monuments and statues, welcoming criminal ILLEGAL immigrants into the country, extreme taxpayer waste....well, you get the picture. 

TDS is strong on these threads

Just wait until all of these people who had their jobs cut last month hear about that speech.  Hell...to.....pay...

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/06/layoff-announcements-soar-to-the-highest-since-2020-as-doge-slashes-federal-staff-.html

The firm reported that U.S. employers announced 172,017 layoffs for the month, up 245% from January and the highest monthly count since July 2020 during the heightened uncertainty from the Covid pandemic. In addition, it marked the highest total for the month of February since 2009 during the global financial crisis.

The problem here is that MAGA voters are so deep into the lies and deception, that no matter how badly the felon screws things up (which is, after all, one of his top priorities), most will never be able, or allow themselves, to admit they royally f'd up voting for a conman/crook/criminal as their dictator.  Many MAGA voters (and sadly as well, many defenders of Democracy) will suffer as a result of their blindly following this path to collapse, but they will continue to blame democrats.  It's a classic case of going down the rabbit hole of a lie so deep, one cannot find their way back out after it's too late.  They will be the first to whine and cry but will never see that they dug their own hole.  It's incredibly stupid and pathetic. I have no empathy or sympathy for these people.

nicknyr15

DE4173 said:

AI, because 

sike! 😉

Good for them. Wonder how many Rs would’ve voted if it was one of theirs. Actually, I don’t wonder. Zero.  

DE4173

True 

Bentleyspop

hunterh75 said:

The Dims set themselves back even more after Tuesday night's embarrassing display.  Maybe they should go back to the BLM and Antifa ways of rioting, burning businesses and buildings, handing out free needles to dope heads, desecrating monuments and statues, welcoming criminal ILLEGAL immigrants into the country, extreme taxpayer waste....well, you get the picture. 

TDS is strong on these threads

I'm  guessing your TDS causes memory loss...

nicknyr15

Bentleyspop said:

hunterh75 said:

The Dims set themselves back even more after Tuesday night's embarrassing display.  Maybe they should go back to the BLM and Antifa ways of rioting, burning businesses and buildings, handing out free needles to dope heads, desecrating monuments and statues, welcoming criminal ILLEGAL immigrants into the country, extreme taxpayer waste....well, you get the picture. 

TDS is strong on these threads

I'm  guessing your TDS causes memory loss...

Both situations can be and are embarrassing and disgraceful. 

Vitalogensia

Is it even possible to desecrate a confederate statue?