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    Andy Kim, NJ Rep who was seen cleaning Congress after Jan 6 will become NJ next Senator replacing that criminal Menendez....


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    not sure where else to put it.....

    https://apnews.com/article/joe-lieberman-death-obit-senate-c82d9c92c1c4493fa5d708719884b12d   Former Sen. Joe Lieberman, Democrats’ VP pick in 2000, dead at 82

     
    Former Sen. Joe Lieberman, Democrats’ VP pick in 2000, dead at 82
    By SUSAN HAIGH
    Yesterday

    HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — Former U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, who nearly won the vice presidency on the Democratic ticket with Al Gore in the disputed 2000 election and who almost became Republican John McCain's running mate eight years later, has died, according to a statement issued by his family.

    Lieberman died in New York City on Wednesday due to complications from a fall, the statement said. He was 82.

    The Democrat-turned-independent was never shy about veering from the party line.

    Lieberman's independent streak and especially his needling of Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama during the 2008 presidential contest rankled many Democrats, the party he aligned with in the Senate. Yet his support for gay rights, civil rights, abortion rights and environmental causes at times won him the praise of many liberals over the years.

    “In an era of political carbon copies, Joe Lieberman was a singularity. One of one," said Connecticut Sen. Chris Murphy, a Democrat. "He fought and won for what he believed was right and for the state he adored.”

    Over the last decade, Lieberman helped lead No Labels, a centrist third-party movement that has said it will offer as-yet-unnamed candidates for president and vice president this year. Some groups aligned with Democrats oppose the effort, fearing it will help presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump win the White House.

    The group on Wednesday called Lieberman's unexpected death a “profound loss,” describing him as “a singular figure in American political life who always put his country before party.”

    Lieberman came tantalizingly close to winning the vice presidency in the contentious 2000 presidential contest that was decided by a 537-vote margin victory for George W. Bush in Florida after a drawn-out recount, legal challenges and a Supreme Court decision. He was the first Jewish candidate on a major party’s presidential ticket and would have been the first Jewish vice president.

    Gore said in a statement Wednesday night that he was profoundly saddened by the death of his one-time running mate. He called Lieberman “a truly gifted leader, whose affable personality and strong will made him a force to be reckoned with" and said his dedication to equality and fairness started at a young age, noting Lieberman traveled to the South to join the civil rights movement in the 1960s.

    “It was an honor to stand side-by-side with him on the campaign trail,” Gore said.

    Lieberman sought the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004 but dropped out after a weak showing in the early primaries. Four years later, he was an independent who was nearly chosen to be McCain’s running mate. He and McCain were close pals who shared hawkish views on military and national security matters.

    McCain was leaning strongly toward choosing Lieberman for the ticket as the 2008 GOP convention neared, but he chose Sarah Palin at the last minute after “ferocious” blowback from conservatives over Lieberman’s liberal record, according to Steve Schmidt, who managed McCain’s campaign.

    Lieberman generated controversy in 1998 when he scolded President Bill Clinton, his friend of many years, for “disgraceful behavior” in an explosive speech on the Senate floor during the height of the scandal over his relationship with Monica Lewinsky. Yet Lieberman later voted against the impeachment of Clinton.

    While he had a tortured relationship with Democrats, Lieberman defended his partisan switches as a matter of conscience, saying he always had the best interests of Connecticut voters at heart. Critics accused him of pursuing narrow self-interest and political expediency.

    In announcing his retirement from the Senate in 2013, Lieberman acknowledged that he did “not always fit comfortably into conventional political boxes” and felt his first responsibility was to serve his constituents, state and country, not his political party.

    During his final Senate speech, Lieberman urged Congress to look beyond party lines and partisan rancor to break Washington gridlock.

    “It requires reaching across the aisle and finding partners from the opposite party,” said Lieberman. “That is what is desperately needed in Washington now.”

    Nevada Sen. Harry Reid, who served as Senate Democratic leader, once said that while he didn’t always agree with the independent-minded Lieberman, he respected him.

    “Regardless of our differences, I have never doubted Joe Lieberman’s principles or his patriotism,” Reid said. “And I respect his independent streak, as it stems from strong convictions.”

    Privately, some Democrats were often less charitable about Lieberman’s forays across party lines, which they saw as disloyal. He bolted his party and turned independent after a 2006 Senate primary loss in Connecticut.

    Lieberman’s strong support of the Iraq War had hurt his statewide popularity. Democrats rejected Lieberman and handed the 2006 primary to a political newcomer and an antiwar candidate, Ned Lamont, who is now serving a second term as Connecticut governor. Citing his Senate experience, congressional clout and support for the state's defense industry, Lieberman went on to win reelection to a fourth term as an independent.

    Many of his Democratic allies and longtime friends, including former Sen. Chris Dodd, had supported Lamont in that election. Lieberman was candid about what he considered a betrayal by old pals such as Dodd, but the two men later reconciled.

    In a statement issued Wednesday expressing condolences, Lamont said he and Lieberman eventually became friends after their grueling and contentious race.

    “While the senator and I had our political differences, he was a man of integrity and conviction, so our debate about the Iraq War was serious,” Lamont said in a statement. “I believe we agreed to disagree from a position of principle."

    “When the race was over, we stayed in touch as friends in the best traditions of American democracy. He will be missed," he added.

    After his rebound reelection in 2006, Lieberman decided to caucus with Democrats in the Senate, who let him head a committee in return because they needed his vote to help keep control of the closely divided chamber. But it wasn’t long until Lieberman was showing his independent streak and ruffling his Democratic caucus colleagues.

    He was an enthusiastic backer of McCain in the 2008 presidential contest, and his speech at the 2008 GOP presidential nominating convention criticizing Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, struck a deep nerve.

    Lieberman cast Obama as a political show horse, a lightweight with a thin record of accomplishment in the Senate despite his soaring eloquence as a speaker.

    “In the Senate, during the 3 1/2 years that Sen. Obama has been a member, he has not reached across party lines to ... accomplish anything significant, nor has he been willing to take on powerful interest groups in the Democratic Party to get something done,” Lieberman said at the convention.

    “Eloquence is no substitute for a record,” he said.

    Lieberman campaigned heartily across the country for McCain. Many Democrats considered it a betrayal of Obama and his former party colleagues.

    “Joe Lieberman has said things that are totally irresponsible when it comes to Barack Obama,” House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California said in a radio interview during the 2008 race. In a message posted Wednesday on X, Pelosi called Lieberman a “leader of integrity and patriotism” while acknowledging they often disagreed on politics.

    Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said Lieberman's death was “devastatingly sad” and speculated that McCain, who died in 2018, was “giving him an earful about how screwed up things are.”

    After the election, there was speculation Senate Democrats might strip Lieberman of his chairmanship of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee as payback. Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., chair of the Judiciary Committee, was among those who said Lieberman should lose his chairmanship. Leahy branded Lieberman’s attacks on Obama as “beyond the pale.”

    But at Obama’s urging, Senate Democrats decided not to punish Lieberman for supporting McCain and the GOP ticket. Obama was eager to strike a bipartisan tone for his presidency and giving Lieberman a pass helped reinforce that message. On Wednesday, Obama acknowledged they “didn't always see eye-to-eye,” but noted Lieberman had an “extraordinary career in public service.”

    Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent and staunch liberal, called Lieberman's convention comments a “slap in the face” for millions of Americans who backed Obama.

    Connecticut Democrats considered censuring Lieberman. Longtime friend Nick Balletto, former chairman of the state party, acknowledged many were unhappy with Lieberman and noted that the discontent overshadowed everything he had done for the state. Before the U.S. Senate, Lieberman served in the state Senate and as Connecticut Attorney General.

    “He was the most genuine, honest, straightforward politician you’d probably ever meet. What you saw is what you got,” said Balletto. “His issues were the issues of the people. ... He didn’t move because it was where the wind wanted to be today. He stayed strong in what he believed in his heart and his mind.”

    Lieberman was known in the Senate for his hawkish foreign policy views, his pro-defense bent and his strong support for environmental causes.

    Five weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, he became one of the first politicians to call for the ouster of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and later voted in favor of the military invasion of Iraq. His vocal support for the war would later help doom his candidacy in the 2006 Connecticut Democratic primary.

    Lieberman tended to vote with Democrats on most issues and was a longtime supporter of abortion rights, a stance that would have proved problematic with conservatives had McCain chosen him as his running mate in 2008.

    He played a key role in the legislation that created the Department of Homeland Security.

    Lieberman grew up in Stamford, Connecticut, where his father ran a liquor store. Lieberman graduated from Yale University and Yale Law School in New Haven. As Connecticut’s attorney general from 1983 to 1988, he was a strong consumer and environmental advocate. Lieberman vaulted into the Senate by defeating moderate Republican incumbent Lowell Weicker in 1988.

    After leaving the Senate in 2013, Lieberman joined a New York City law firm. His funeral will be held Friday at Congregation Agudath Sholom in his hometown of Stamford. An additional memorial service will be announced at a later date.

    Lieberman and his wife, Hadassah, have four children.

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    Former Associated Press writer Andrew Miga contributed to this report.


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  • mrussel1
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    Should be more chatter about the D win in the Alabama House race.  The winner lost the last cycle, creating a 33 point swing.  She ran on pro-choice and IVF.  Even more interesting, the internal polling of her competitor had him ahead by several points, and then he gets smoked.  This goes into the point that I've been making that the there is a polling problem right now.  I'm not sure if R's are being oversampled or D's are not responding.  But time after time, we are seeing the D's outperform the polling.  

    https://www.newsweek.com/marilyn-lands-achieves-stunning-swing-democrats-alabama-1883920
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mrussel1 said:
    Should be more chatter about the D win in the Alabama House race.  The winner lost the last cycle, creating a 33 point swing.  She ran on pro-choice and IVF.  Even more interesting, the internal polling of her competitor had him ahead by several points, and then he gets smoked.  This goes into the point that I've been making that the there is a polling problem right now.  I'm not sure if R's are being oversampled or D's are not responding.  But time after time, we are seeing the D's outperform the polling.  

    https://www.newsweek.com/marilyn-lands-achieves-stunning-swing-democrats-alabama-1883920
    I wouldn’t read too much into it. It was a special election for a state house seat in Alabama. Hardly a harbinger of the national mood. Any dem in an elected office is good. Maybe repubs didn’t turn out because of the guy she replaced and it’ll be re-run in November? 
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  • mrussel1
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    mrussel1 said:
    Should be more chatter about the D win in the Alabama House race.  The winner lost the last cycle, creating a 33 point swing.  She ran on pro-choice and IVF.  Even more interesting, the internal polling of her competitor had him ahead by several points, and then he gets smoked.  This goes into the point that I've been making that the there is a polling problem right now.  I'm not sure if R's are being oversampled or D's are not responding.  But time after time, we are seeing the D's outperform the polling.  

    https://www.newsweek.com/marilyn-lands-achieves-stunning-swing-democrats-alabama-1883920
    I wouldn’t read too much into it. It was a special election for a state house seat in Alabama. Hardly a harbinger of the national mood. Any dem in an elected office is good. Maybe repubs didn’t turn out because of the guy she replaced and it’ll be re-run in November? 
    It's the pattern that continues, even in deep red Alabama. That pattern is 1. D's winning elections in either R or split districts and 2. Polling understating D support.  

    You can't ignore the pattern and it's been happening since Roe overturned. 
  • OnWis97
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    mrussel1 said:
    Should be more chatter about the D win in the Alabama House race.  The winner lost the last cycle, creating a 33 point swing.  She ran on pro-choice and IVF.  Even more interesting, the internal polling of her competitor had him ahead by several points, and then he gets smoked.  This goes into the point that I've been making that the there is a polling problem right now.  I'm not sure if R's are being oversampled or D's are not responding.  But time after time, we are seeing the D's outperform the polling.  

    https://www.newsweek.com/marilyn-lands-achieves-stunning-swing-democrats-alabama-1883920
    That's quite a big swing. I bet there'll be plenty of chatter from the "Rigged!" crowd.
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  • mickeyrat
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    https://apnews.com/article/menendez-federal-bribery-indictment-gold-bars-fef8e494163990516753db923e181647   Sen. Bob Menendez decides not to delay May trial with appeal of judge's ruling


    Sen. Bob Menendez decides not to delay May trial with appeal of judge's ruling
    By LARRY NEUMEISTER
    59 mins ago

    NEW YORK (AP) — New Jersey Sen. Bob Menendez will not appeal a judge’s ruling on Constitutional grounds that would have delayed his May trial, his lawyers said Thursday.

    The Democrat’s lawyers notified the Manhattan federal judge who will preside over the May 6 trial in a letter that the senator’s decision was “principally motivated by his desire to proceed to trial and establish his innocence without further delay.”

    He has pleaded not guilty to corruption charges filed after investigators discovered gold bars and cash at his New Jersey home.

    Prosecutors say the gold and cash resulted from bribes that he and his wife received in exchange for favors Menendez carried out for three New Jersey businessmen.

    Earlier this month, Judge Sidney H. Stein ruled that multiple warrants used to conduct 2022 searches of the Democrat’s email accounts and his home were properly sought and carried out.

    The warrants had been contested by Menendez under provisions of the Constitution that would have allowed an appeal to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals prior to a trial if the senator chose to go that route.

    The senator’s lawyers had claimed the warrants were “riddled with material misrepresentation and omissions that deceived the authorizing magistrate judge.”

    Stein said any omissions in the warrants were not intentional or material for searches of his home in June 2022 that resulted in the discovery of over $100,000 worth of gold bars and more than $480,000 in cash. Prosecutors said much of the gold and cash was hidden in closets, clothing and a safe.

    Menendez, 70, said the cash found in the house was personal savings he had put away for emergencies. After his fall arrest, Menendez was forced to relinquish his chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee but said he would not resign from Congress.

    Besides Menendez, his wife, Nadine, and two businessmen also have pleaded not guilty to charges. A third businessman facing charges has pled guilty in a cooperation deal with prosecutors that calls for him to testify at trial.

    According to an indictment, Menendez and his wife accepted gold bars and cash from a real estate developer in return for the senator using his clout to get that businessman a multimillion-dollar deal with a Qatari investment fund.

    Menendez also was charged with helping another New Jersey business associate get a lucrative deal with the government of Egypt.

     

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  • gimmesometruth27
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    mrussel1 said:
    Should be more chatter about the D win in the Alabama House race.  The winner lost the last cycle, creating a 33 point swing.  She ran on pro-choice and IVF.  Even more interesting, the internal polling of her competitor had him ahead by several points, and then he gets smoked.  This goes into the point that I've been making that the there is a polling problem right now.  I'm not sure if R's are being oversampled or D's are not responding.  But time after time, we are seeing the D's outperform the polling.  

    https://www.newsweek.com/marilyn-lands-achieves-stunning-swing-democrats-alabama-1883920
    i think the polling is wrong for a few reasons.

    1. they usually call landlines at dinner time. 
    2. these calls take over 30 minutes. i know because i always used to get these polling calls. more republicans have landlines than democrats.
    3. i think people who are angry are more willing to talk on the phone to a stranger about politics for 30 minutes. they can vent to the caller and air their grievances. i think maga are more inclined to do this sort of thing. i mean, who, after a long day of work, really wants to come home and take a 30 minute survey call and talk about politics with a stranger? not most people i know.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,633
    30 minutes? I had no idea.

    (Guess I've never been polled).
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  • mrussel1
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    OnWis97 said:
    30 minutes? I had no idea.

    (Guess I've never been polled).
    I'm not disagreeing with those points, I just have an additional theory based on my experience.  

    Last year (maybe it was the year before) I got a text for some VA polling.  I answered it.  It was run by Youngkin or something.  Anyway I answered the poll and after that I got barraged with other text poll requests.  So that tells me two things:

    1. These polling providers are selling data to each other on people who will respond
    2. That means you get repeat responders likely and therefore maybe not a truly representative sample.  
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    30 minutes? I had no idea.

    (Guess I've never been polled).
    I'm not disagreeing with those points, I just have an additional theory based on my experience.  

    Last year (maybe it was the year before) I got a text for some VA polling.  I answered it.  It was run by Youngkin or something.  Anyway I answered the poll and after that I got barraged with other text poll requests.  So that tells me two things:

    1. These polling providers are selling data to each other on people who will respond
    2. That means you get repeat responders likely and therefore maybe not a truly representative sample.  
    What do you make of these polls? A 22% spread on whose policies “personally helped/hurt.” Fourth one down. More concerning to me is that the billionaire class is back to supporting POOTWH and are opening up their wallets and checkbooks. Some maxing out the PAC contributions at $875K and donating to his legal defense $1M+. Both the polls and the billionaires, obscene. Totally obscene.

    https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/times-siena-poll-coverage

    And hence why I don’t put too much if any stock in a dem winning a state house seat in a special election in a deep red state as some kind of harbinger of federal congressional and POTUS elections.
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  • Go Beavers
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    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    30 minutes? I had no idea.

    (Guess I've never been polled).
    I'm not disagreeing with those points, I just have an additional theory based on my experience.  

    Last year (maybe it was the year before) I got a text for some VA polling.  I answered it.  It was run by Youngkin or something.  Anyway I answered the poll and after that I got barraged with other text poll requests.  So that tells me two things:

    1. These polling providers are selling data to each other on people who will respond
    2. That means you get repeat responders likely and therefore maybe not a truly representative sample.  
    What do you make of these polls? A 22% spread on whose policies “personally helped/hurt.” Fourth one down. More concerning to me is that the billionaire class is back to supporting POOTWH and are opening up their wallets and checkbooks. Some maxing out the PAC contributions at $875K and donating to his legal defense $1M+. Both the polls and the billionaires, obscene. Totally obscene.

    https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/times-siena-poll-coverage

    And hence why I don’t put too much if any stock in a dem winning a state house seat in a special election in a deep red state as some kind of harbinger of federal congressional and POTUS elections.
    Crazy how these polls reflect the effectiveness of narrative control over actual reality. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,612
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    30 minutes? I had no idea.

    (Guess I've never been polled).
    I'm not disagreeing with those points, I just have an additional theory based on my experience.  

    Last year (maybe it was the year before) I got a text for some VA polling.  I answered it.  It was run by Youngkin or something.  Anyway I answered the poll and after that I got barraged with other text poll requests.  So that tells me two things:

    1. These polling providers are selling data to each other on people who will respond
    2. That means you get repeat responders likely and therefore maybe not a truly representative sample.  
    What do you make of these polls? A 22% spread on whose policies “personally helped/hurt.” Fourth one down. More concerning to me is that the billionaire class is back to supporting POOTWH and are opening up their wallets and checkbooks. Some maxing out the PAC contributions at $875K and donating to his legal defense $1M+. Both the polls and the billionaires, obscene. Totally obscene.

    https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/times-siena-poll-coverage

    And hence why I don’t put too much if any stock in a dem winning a state house seat in a special election in a deep red state as some kind of harbinger of federal congressional and POTUS elections.
    Crazy how these polls reflect the effectiveness of narrative control over actual reality. 
    ‘Murica’s collective amnesia about the time from 1/20/17 to 1/20/21 is astonishing but not surprising. 
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    https://apnews.com/article/paul-pelosi-nancy-hammer-attack-depape-sentence-b41b6c776fb27f62913e3754afa1ceac   Man convicted of attacking ex-Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband with a hammer sentenced to 30 years

     
    Man convicted of attacking ex-Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband with a hammer sentenced to 30 years
    By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ
    1 hour ago

    SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The man convicted of attempting to kidnap then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and attacking her husband with a hammer was sentenced Friday to 30 years in prison.

    Judge Jacqueline Scott Corley handed down the sentence for David DePape, 44, whom jurors found guilty last November of attempted kidnapping of a federal official and assault on the immediate family member of a federal official. Prosecutors had asked for a 40-year prison term.

    DePape was given 20 years for one count and 30 years for another count. The sentences will run concurrently. He was also given credit for the 18 months that he's been in custody.

    DePape stood silently as Judge Corley handed the sentence and looked down at times. His public defense attorneys had asked the judge to sentence him to 14 years, pointing out that he was going through a difficult time in his life and had no prior criminal history.

    Corley said she took into account when giving DePape’s sentence the fact that he broke into the home of a public official, an unprecedented act in the history of the country.

    “He actually went to the home, that is completely, completely unprecedented,” she said.

    Before sentencing, Christine Pelosi read victim statements on behalf of her father and mother, explaining how the violent attack changed their lives.

    “The Pelosi family couldn’t be prouder of their Pop and his tremendous courage in saving his own life on the night of the attack and in testifying in this case,” Aaron Bennett, a spokesperson for Nancy Pelosi, said in a statement. “Speaker Pelosi and her family are immensely grateful to all who have sent love and prayers over the last eighteen months, as Mr. Pelosi continues his recovery.”

    DePape admitted during trial testimony that he broke into the Pelosis’ San Francisco home Oct. 28, 2022, intending to hold the speaker hostage and “break her kneecaps” if she lied to him. He also admitted to bludgeoning Paul Pelosi with a hammer after police showed up, saying his plan to end what he viewed as government corruption was unraveling.

    The attack on Paul Pelosi, who was 82 at the time, was captured on police body camera video just days before the midterm elections and sent shockwaves through the political world.

    Defense attorneys argued DePape was motivated by his political beliefs, not because he wanted to interfere with Nancy Pelosi’s official duties as a member of Congress, making the charges against him invalid.

    One of his attorneys, Angela Chuang, said during closing arguments that DePape was caught up in conspiracy theories.

    At trial DePape, a Canadian who moved to the U.S. more than 20 years ago, testified that he believed news outlets repeatedly lied about former President Donald Trump. In rants posted on a blog and online forum that were taken down after his arrest, DePape echoed the baseless, right-wing QAnon conspiracy theory that claims a cabal of devil-worshipping pedophiles runs the U.S. government.

    DePape also told jurors he had planned to wear an inflatable unicorn costume and record his interrogation of the Democratic speaker, who was not at the home at the time of the attack, to upload it online.

    Prosecutors said he had rope and zip ties with him, and detectives found body cameras, a computer and a tablet.

    Paul Pelosi also testified at the trial, recalling how he was awakened by a large man bursting into the bedroom and asking, “Where’s Nancy?” He said that when he responded that his wife was in Washington, DePape said he would tie him up while they waited for her.

    “It was a tremendous sense of shock to recognize that somebody had broken into the house, and looking at him and looking at the hammer and the ties, I recognized that I was in serious danger, so I tried to stay as calm as possible,” Pelosi told jurors.

    DePape is also charged in state court with assault with a deadly weapon, elder abuse, residential burglary and other felonies. Jury selection in that trial is expected to start Wednesday.

    Paul Pelosi suffered two head wounds in the attack, including a skull fracture that was mended with plates and screws he will have for the rest of his life. His right arm and hand were also injured.


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    https://apnews.com/article/bob-menendez-bribery-trial-cb8e159a34a3b66f1992ecc60b3ec987   Trial of Sen. Bob Menendez takes a weeklong break after jurors get stuck in elevator


     
    Trial of Sen. Bob Menendez takes a weeklong break after jurors get stuck in elevator
    By LARRY NEUMEISTER
    Yesterday

    NEW YORK (AP) — The trial of Sen. Bob Menendez grinded to a weeklong break on Tuesday after federal court jurors who were treated to a brick-by-brick build of the prosecution's bribery case got stuck in an elevator a day after they were forced from their usual assembly room because of flooding.

    Judge Sidney H. Stein said jurors were trapped in an elevator for several minutes during what was supposed to be a 10-minute late-afternoon break that lasted almost a half hour.

    The elevator breakdown came as jurors were shuttled between floors to an assembly room because carpeting in their usual assembly room just outside the courtroom was found to be soaked on Monday after somebody left sink faucets on over the weekend. As jurors left for the day, Stein humorously warned them: “Don't all get into one elevator.”

    The mishap came on a day when prosecutors slowly tried to build their case against the Democrat with evidence they hoped would score points with jurors against Menendez and his two co-defendants — two New Jersey businessmen who the government claims paid him bribes consisting of gold bars, hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash and a car.

    Lawyers for Menendez, 70, of Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey, and the businessmen say their clients are not guilty and that the government is trying to turn common interactions between a politician and his constituents into crimes.

    Among the witnesses Tuesday was a man who worked for the State Department during the years when prosecutors say Menendez used his powerful post as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to do favors for Egypt so he could keep the flow of bribes on track.

    Joshua Paul, who now works as a consultant for a nonprofit, testified that the committee and its chairperson have extraordinary powers over the State Department because it controls its leadership, dictates how it operates and confirms ambassadors worldwide.

    After his arrest last fall, Menendez was forced to step down from the post, though he has resisted calls for him to leave the Senate.

    Prosecutors say Menendez did things benefitting Egyptian officials so that he could receive bribes in exchange for clearing the way for one codefendant to secure a lucrative monopoly to certify that meat exported to Egypt from U.S. slaughterhouses met Islamic dietary requirements.

    Besides bribery, extortion, fraud and obstruction of justice, Menendez is also charged with acting as a foreign agent of Egypt.


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    https://apnews.com/article/joe-manchin-congress-west-virginia-senate-a4eb66f2cb773f822b6b607945cdeaef   Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia registers as independent, citing 'partisan extremism'


    Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia registers as independent, citing 'partisan extremism'
    By LISA MASCARO, KEVIN FREKING and LEAH WILLINGHAM
    Today

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia announced Friday he has switched his registration to independent, raising questions about his political plans since the move could help his chances should he seek elected office again in a state that has turned heavily Republican.

    Manchin, 76, has often been at odds with the Democratic Party and an obstacle to many of President Joe Biden’s legislative priorities. But he played a central role in helping Biden get a landmark climate change and health care bill over the finish line in 2022.

    He had already announced in November that he wouldn’t seek re-election to the Senate, giving Republicans a clear path to picking up his West Virginia seat in their bid to retake the majority next year.

    Manchin has served in the Senate since 2010 and is the chairman of the Energy and Natural Resources Committee. He said in a statement that over the past 15 years he has seen both major political parties leave their constituents behind for "partisan extremism while jeopardizing our democracy.”

    “Today, our national politics are broken and neither party is willing to compromise to find common ground,” Manchin said. “To stay true to myself and remain committed to put country before party, I have decided to register as an independent with no party affiliation and continue to fight for America’s sensible majority.”

    Manchin will continue to caucus with Democrats and keep his chairmanship, according to a person familiar with his thinking who was granted anonymity to share his plans. The move helps Democrats preserve their slim 51-49 majority in the Senate.

    Still, facing potential retirement from politics, Manchin appears to be keeping his options open.

    He has long wanted to switch his party affiliation to become an independent, according to a second person familiar with the situation who was granted anonymity to discuss it. But a looming deadline in West Virginia forced the issue.

    Candidates must file their political affiliation 60 days prior to a Aug. 1 deadline to run in this year's election.

    Now registered as an independent, Manchin still has time to mount another Senate race or a potential run for governor, a position he held from 2005 to 2010.

    He had gone back and forth for months before announcing he wasn’t running for reelection to the Senate. Many questioned whether he could win against the immensely popular Gov. Jim Justice, the Republican Senate nominee who Manchin helped recruit to run for governor as a Democrat in 2016. Justice switched to Republican at a rally with then-President Donald Trump not long into his first term.

    Should the Senate candidates stumble, Manchin could be poised to try to keep his seat. But a run for governor could be more favorable.

    Manchin has defeated the Republican nominee for governor, state Attorney General Patrick Morrisey, once before, in 2018. That Senate campaign was Manchin's toughest in his three-plus decades in West Virginia politics. He defeated Morrisey by just over 3 percentage points.

    Steve Williams, who is the Democratic nominee for governor and the mayor of Huntington, said last week he doesn’t believe Manchin intends to enter the gubernatorial race, adding that they've been friends for decades.

    West Virginia Democratic Party officials said Friday Manchin did not give them a heads up he was switching to independent. In a statement Friday, state Democratic Party Chair Mike Pushkin said he was disappointed.

    “While the senator has been one of the most independent senators in the country, and has sometimes opposed the Democratic agenda, we’ll always be grateful for his votes to impeach President Trump, to create the January 6th Commission, and his warning that, if re-elected, Trump ‘will destroy democracy in America,’” he said.

    Manchin first entered the Senate after winning a special election following the death of Robert C. Byrd in 2010. The state's political tilt has changed dramatically since then.

    Registered Democrats outnumbered Republicans during Manchin’s first two Senate campaigns, but those numbers have flipped. Now, about 40% of registered voters are Republicans, compared with 31% for Democrats and about 24% with no party affiliation.

    Both chambers of the Legislature have Republican supermajorities, and Trump overwhelmingly won the state in 2016 and 2020.

    Manchin had also flirted with the possibility of running for president as a third-party candidate, but decided against that in February, saying he didn’t want to be a “spoiler.”

    Manchin, the last in a line of powerful Senate Democrats from West Virginia who promoted coal interests at the national level, has increasingly lamented the two-party system in the past year. During a tour of a Charleston stamping plant in October, he said he identified more with independents than either party.

    “Don’t worry about the ‘D’ or the ‘R’, worry about the person — who is that person?” he said. “There can be a good D and a bad D and a good R and a bad R, but the identity — I like more the independent identity.”

    —-

    Associated Press writers Farnoush Amiri and Mary Clare Jalonick contributed to this report. Willingham reported from Charleston, W.V.


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    mickeyrat said:
    https://apnews.com/article/joe-manchin-congress-west-virginia-senate-a4eb66f2cb773f822b6b607945cdeaef   Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia registers as independent, citing 'partisan extremism'


    Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia registers as independent, citing 'partisan extremism'
    By LISA MASCARO, KEVIN FREKING and LEAH WILLINGHAM
    Today

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia announced Friday he has switched his registration to independent, raising questions about his political plans since the move could help his chances should he seek elected office again in a state that has turned heavily Republican.

    Manchin, 76, has often been at odds with the Democratic Party and an obstacle to many of President Joe Biden’s legislative priorities. But he played a central role in helping Biden get a landmark climate change and health care bill over the finish line in 2022.

    He had already announced in November that he wouldn’t seek re-election to the Senate, giving Republicans a clear path to picking up his West Virginia seat in their bid to retake the majority next year.

    Manchin has served in the Senate since 2010 and is the chairman of the Energy and Natural Resources Committee. He said in a statement that over the past 15 years he has seen both major political parties leave their constituents behind for "partisan extremism while jeopardizing our democracy.”

    “Today, our national politics are broken and neither party is willing to compromise to find common ground,” Manchin said. “To stay true to myself and remain committed to put country before party, I have decided to register as an independent with no party affiliation and continue to fight for America’s sensible majority.”

    Manchin will continue to caucus with Democrats and keep his chairmanship, according to a person familiar with his thinking who was granted anonymity to share his plans. The move helps Democrats preserve their slim 51-49 majority in the Senate.

    Still, facing potential retirement from politics, Manchin appears to be keeping his options open.

    He has long wanted to switch his party affiliation to become an independent, according to a second person familiar with the situation who was granted anonymity to discuss it. But a looming deadline in West Virginia forced the issue.

    Candidates must file their political affiliation 60 days prior to a Aug. 1 deadline to run in this year's election.

    Now registered as an independent, Manchin still has time to mount another Senate race or a potential run for governor, a position he held from 2005 to 2010.

    He had gone back and forth for months before announcing he wasn’t running for reelection to the Senate. Many questioned whether he could win against the immensely popular Gov. Jim Justice, the Republican Senate nominee who Manchin helped recruit to run for governor as a Democrat in 2016. Justice switched to Republican at a rally with then-President Donald Trump not long into his first term.

    Should the Senate candidates stumble, Manchin could be poised to try to keep his seat. But a run for governor could be more favorable.

    Manchin has defeated the Republican nominee for governor, state Attorney General Patrick Morrisey, once before, in 2018. That Senate campaign was Manchin's toughest in his three-plus decades in West Virginia politics. He defeated Morrisey by just over 3 percentage points.

    Steve Williams, who is the Democratic nominee for governor and the mayor of Huntington, said last week he doesn’t believe Manchin intends to enter the gubernatorial race, adding that they've been friends for decades.

    West Virginia Democratic Party officials said Friday Manchin did not give them a heads up he was switching to independent. In a statement Friday, state Democratic Party Chair Mike Pushkin said he was disappointed.

    “While the senator has been one of the most independent senators in the country, and has sometimes opposed the Democratic agenda, we’ll always be grateful for his votes to impeach President Trump, to create the January 6th Commission, and his warning that, if re-elected, Trump ‘will destroy democracy in America,’” he said.

    Manchin first entered the Senate after winning a special election following the death of Robert C. Byrd in 2010. The state's political tilt has changed dramatically since then.

    Registered Democrats outnumbered Republicans during Manchin’s first two Senate campaigns, but those numbers have flipped. Now, about 40% of registered voters are Republicans, compared with 31% for Democrats and about 24% with no party affiliation.

    Both chambers of the Legislature have Republican supermajorities, and Trump overwhelmingly won the state in 2016 and 2020.

    Manchin had also flirted with the possibility of running for president as a third-party candidate, but decided against that in February, saying he didn’t want to be a “spoiler.”

    Manchin, the last in a line of powerful Senate Democrats from West Virginia who promoted coal interests at the national level, has increasingly lamented the two-party system in the past year. During a tour of a Charleston stamping plant in October, he said he identified more with independents than either party.

    “Don’t worry about the ‘D’ or the ‘R’, worry about the person — who is that person?” he said. “There can be a good D and a bad D and a good R and a bad R, but the identity — I like more the independent identity.”

    —-

    Associated Press writers Farnoush Amiri and Mary Clare Jalonick contributed to this report. Willingham reported from Charleston, W.V.


    with as much as he has fucked the democrats all these years he should have just registered as a republican. 
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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