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  • Kwieneke
    Kwieneke Indiana Posts: 2,111
    mace1229 said:
    I have the same issue with DM and Running, Ed's voice.
    Not the way he sounds, but I just can't understand him and he seems drowned out. I don't know if that is production or what. But they have plenty of heavier songs where you can still clearly hear him sing.
    But here he just sounds more like backing vocals that you're supposed to karaoke too.
    he sounds drowned out. he is so hard to hear and understand 
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  • ry75guy
    ry75guy Posts: 228
    What's funny is that I actually love the production. That was my first reaction hearing Dark Matter. I've felt Ed's voice has been too high in the mix since Lightning Bolt and the instrumentation too low. To me, this feels like the mix is balanced perfectly where everything is working together rather than one part overshadowing the other parts. 

    I do admit that there's much more "production" though in terms of reverb, vocal effects, etc. But I actually like it. And I think the two songs so far are really well written. I get White Stripes feel with "Running." Fast, angry and loud. It totally sucks for those who aren't digging it. The hype of a new PJ album only to not love it would be such a let down. I really hope there will be some songs you'll love. Because there's nothing like hearing a new song by them that reminds you of how amazing they are. 
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  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,877
    Force Of Nature said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    Watt has Charisma.....sounds like thats his IN with big acts...I too wasnt happy about the heavier songs on Earthling, tried to relisten last night......Power of Right/ Good & evil, like the songs but sound is Harsh
    Can you explain by what you mean by harsh?

    I guess I'm naive to a lot of the production chat but for me they are angry heavy songs so I'd expect a harsh sound
    Muddled, no room to breathe, confined, abrasive

    vs/vitalogy have heavy songs, they sound BALANCED....I guess where he has the guitars in the mix isnt appealing to my ears 
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,945
    It’s alright, DM is much better.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,832
    edited March 2024
    CROJAM95 said:
    Force Of Nature said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    Watt has Charisma.....sounds like thats his IN with big acts...I too wasnt happy about the heavier songs on Earthling, tried to relisten last night......Power of Right/ Good & evil, like the songs but sound is Harsh
    Can you explain by what you mean by harsh?

    I guess I'm naive to a lot of the production chat but for me they are angry heavy songs so I'd expect a harsh sound
    Muddled, no room to breathe, confined, abrasive

    vs/vitalogy have heavy songs, they sound BALANCED....I guess where he has the guitars in the mix isnt appealing to my ears 
    I'm not familiar with production terms either. I've kind of wanted Rick Beato to do an episode on production, since he always mentioned it when something is well produced.
    But I was already thinking exactly what you said. I listened to some Vs and Vitalogy yesterday, you can hear mike and stone's guitars and the bass, you can hear ed's voice over them and understand what he's signing. Everything sounds like it was recorded separately and mixed correctly.
    To me, these last 2 songs sound closer to a bootleg recording out of the back alley again and its all just meshed together.
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  • GetRight13
    GetRight13 NY Posts: 588
    CROJAM95 

    Muddled, no room to breathe, confined, abrasive

    exactly this!  I really don't like the way the snare is mixed either.  Especially on Running.  It almost sounds like an 80s electronic pop snare. 
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  • LastExitBJP
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    jesselms said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I just don’t get at all how a few are saying this is filler or B side material.  I would be interested as to whether they feel this way about any songs from the last three records.
    a 2:19 minute song is generally a filler or a b side, there is plenty of filler songs on the previous 3 albums but they don't get released as singles prior to an album release
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  • BloodMeridian80
    BloodMeridian80 Seattle Posts: 715
    Not saying I love the production, but I wonder what people are listening to the song on and how loud. Are people picking up (hearing) the vocal count in at the beginning? 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,489
    edited March 2024
    I don't know any production terms either. But both these singles feel very rigid and you can almost see it being separate elements put together and tinkered with on a timeline by a producer. And crammed up/brickwalled... Like there is no feel of "room" or space. That is what I would consider "over produced" if anything.

    Compared to how Riot Act breathes. Like it was recorded live, in a room and not created layer by later by a producer on a computer. And also not crammed up like a wall hitting you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdQuJ1-5LKI


    Or Neil Youngs Broken Arrow which is the sound I wish one PJ album would get in the discography:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_Esd97Cn9M


    But I have had the same feeling from Backspacer and forward. Even the studio version of Just Breathe cut's into my ears like it's crammed up to peak. SO I GUESS IT'S JUST ME.

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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    Prawnstar said:
    i am a target said:
    Nothing speaks to the glory of the internet as people attacking one another over their opinions on a song. This place continues to provide endless amounts of amusement for me and for that I thank you all.
    +1. Superb reading.

    I'm seriously think a "best of" book is in order. Working title: "Hurl Spam: The Best PJ Fan Forum Clashes Over Somebody's Opinion".


    To be clear, I wasn't attacking anyone. I was just saying that I can't relate to making a definitive negative judgment about a song from a band you love, with a thirty-year track record that you presumably enjoy, in less than twelve hours. I wouldn't have any reaction to someone who said, "It hasn't really grabbed me yet, but time will tell."
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,388
    Zen23 said:
    As a non-native English speaker who basically understands the language though, I don't understand a word of what Eddie is singing. This choppy, fast vocal style, which has also been shown on Gigaton, and which seems to have made it its goal to fit in so many words per second as possible doesn't make things any better. Catchy melodies fall completely by the wayside as a result.
    Don't feel too bad. The English speakers (if that's what you call a Philadelphian LOL) can't figure that out any better. Just go with it.
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  • BF25394
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    Force Of Nature said:
    What the hell is the song about though?.....
    The unsettling feeling of being in a world in disarray. The feeling that you can never relax, because there's another pile of crap about to get dumped on you. You've got to stay on your toes at all times to keep from getting smothered by the crap.
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  • BF25394
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Feels like we've heard this one before. Kinda cut from the same cloth as Supersonic or Superblood Wolfmoon and maybe a few others. And like Dark Matter, I can't understand a word he's saying. But, lot of energy and some cool guitars. Besides Lukin and throwaway stuff like Pry, To, is this the shortest PJ song?
    When people say they can't understand a word he's saying, have they looked at the lyrics? Because once you've looked at the lyrics, it becomes fairly easy to understand what he's saying.
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  • BF25394
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    bicyclejoe said:
    Good take. Honest take.
    Honesty = Agreement with your point of view?
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  • BloodMeridian80
    BloodMeridian80 Seattle Posts: 715
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    Compared to how Riot Act breathes. Like it was recorded live, in a room and not created layer by later by a producer on a computer. And also not crammed up like a wall hitting you.

    My understanding based on the interviews is that this (the album, Dark Matter) was largely recorded as a band in a room, live. 
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,388
    I am a fan of Watt's production so far. It makes the songs more mysterious. It's a shame there's so much negativity.
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  • BF25394
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    CROJAM95 said:
    Force Of Nature said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    Watt has Charisma.....sounds like thats his IN with big acts...I too wasnt happy about the heavier songs on Earthling, tried to relisten last night......Power of Right/ Good & evil, like the songs but sound is Harsh
    Can you explain by what you mean by harsh?

    I guess I'm naive to a lot of the production chat but for me they are angry heavy songs so I'd expect a harsh sound
    Muddled, no room to breathe, confined, abrasive

    vs/vitalogy have heavy songs, they sound BALANCED....I guess where he has the guitars in the mix isnt appealing to my ears 
    But those albums don't sound alike at all. Vitalogy has a very low-fi sound. Vs. is very crisp. And both are departures from Ten, which is slick and overproduced.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,489
    BF25394 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Feels like we've heard this one before. Kinda cut from the same cloth as Supersonic or Superblood Wolfmoon and maybe a few others. And like Dark Matter, I can't understand a word he's saying. But, lot of energy and some cool guitars. Besides Lukin and throwaway stuff like Pry, To, is this the shortest PJ song?
    When people say they can't understand a word he's saying, have they looked at the lyrics? Because once you've looked at the lyrics, it becomes fairly easy to understand what he's saying.
    Haha. No, there's a few places where my mind has a hard time making the connection between the written words and the vocals. hah.
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  • BloodMeridian80
    BloodMeridian80 Seattle Posts: 715
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    I am a fan of Watt's production so far. It makes the songs more mysterious. It's a shame there's so much negativity.
    I’m trying to wait until I hear the album in my best listening environment before I have a firm take. I was worried about Watt, and I very much like the production on Giga, but I’m not having an issue with production thus far.

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