I think Gigaton is and will be held high in general. And in another timeline or part of the universe, them continuing with Josh Evans would have been nice.
Yes, but maybe that‘s still in the cards for the future. An Andrew Watt collab is what they felt like doing right now and that‘s fine, even though I suspect (judging by what we’ve heard) I won‘t be a huge fan of the production myself.
The reason why I‘m overall chill about my personal reception of the new album is that it‘s always up and down for me looking at the PJ discography chronologically, and not necessarily in tune with what the majority of PJ fans feel:
I‘m among those that aren‘t big fans of the original „Ten“ mix, although a lot of the songs themselves (as in: the compositions) are obviously among the strongest the band have ever written. Have mixed feelings about „Vs“ – similarly to „Ten“, a lot of it due to production and Ed‘s vocals (generally more of a fan of the mid-phase and later Ed vocals). Absolutely love „Vitalogy“ due to the gruffness and snotty attitude but also, strangely, (rough) grooviness in a lof of places. Regard both „No Code“ and „Yield“ as the strongest output (love „Yield“‘s anthem-like qualities and crisp production and „No Code“‘s stylistic rollercoaster, both featuring a ton of creativity and some of the best songwriting). Dig both „Binaural“ and „Riot Act“ a lot – what a lot of people dislike about „Binaural“‘s muddy production/mix, I find gives it an intriguing dream-like quality. Appreciate roughly half of „Avocado“, am indifferent about the other half. Never really clicked with „Backspacer“ as of yet, might still happen though. Do NOT like „Lightening Bolt“ but think „Gigaton“, one song aside, was a great success creatively and features some of my favorite PJ songs ever.
So no „the golden early days“ with me. There‘s been great songs spread over almost 35 years now, and if some of them only reveal themselves as great to me when played live, that‘s okay.
I think Gigaton is and will be held high in general. And in another timeline or part of the universe, them continuing with Josh Evans would have been nice.
Yes, but maybe that‘s still in the cards for the future. An Andrew Watt collab is what they felt like doing right now and that‘s fine, even though I suspect (judging by what we’ve heard) I won‘t be a huge fan of the production myself.
The reason why I‘m overall chill about my personal reception of the new album is that it‘s always up and down for me looking at the PJ discography chronologically, and not necessarily in tune with what the majority of PJ fans feel:
I‘m among those that aren‘t big fans of the original „Ten“ mix, although a lot of the songs themselves (as in: the compositions) are obviously among the strongest the band have ever written. Have mixed feelings about „Vs“ – similarly to „Ten“, a lot of it due to production and Ed‘s vocals (generally more of a fan of the mid-phase and later Ed vocals). Absolutely love „Vitalogy“ due to the gruffness and snotty attitude but also, strangely, (rough) grooviness in a lof of places. Regard both „No Code“ and „Yield“ as the strongest output (love „Yield“‘s anthem-like qualities and crisp production and „No Code“‘s stylistic rollercoaster, both featuring a ton of creativity and some of the best songwriting). Dig both „Binaural“ and „No Code“ a lot – what a lot of people dislike about „Binaural“‘s muddy production/mix, I find gives it an intriguing dream-like quality. Appreciate roughly half of „Avocado“, am indifferent about the other half. Never really clicked with „Backspacer“ as of yet, might still happen though. Do NOT like „Lightening Bolt“ but think „Gigaton“, one song aside, was a great success creatively and features some of my favorite PJ songs ever.
So no „the golden early days“ with me. There‘s been great songs spread over almost 35 years now, and if some of them only reveal themselves as great to me when played live, that‘s okay.
What kind of a sicko leaves out Riot Act
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Yes, all they care about is making money-- that's why they haven't played more than 36 shows in a calendar year since 2006. Give me a break.
Look, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and the opinions are genuine and sincere. I don't question that. But there is an element in a lot of instances where it's not that the band's music is appreciably different in quality than it was twenty or thirty years ago, it's that the listeners are different than they were twenty or thirty years ago. (Not that there are different people in the fan base, but that the people in the fan base have a different relationship to music than they did when they were much younger.) I firmly believe that if the band dropped Vitalogy today, people here would hate it. And if they released an album that sounded exactly like Gigaton in 1998, people would have loved it.
No album by any artist will ever top Vs for me, not because there could never be another album as good; but because I can never have 15 year old ears again.
That is a much bigger factor than the fact Ed’s voice will never be 28 again. Which is also true.
I think Gigaton is and will be held high in general. And in another timeline or part of the universe, them continuing with Josh Evans would have been nice.
Yes, but maybe that‘s still in the cards for the future. An Andrew Watt collab is what they felt like doing right now and that‘s fine, even though I suspect (judging by what we’ve heard) I won‘t be a huge fan of the production myself.
The reason why I‘m overall chill about my personal reception of the new album is that it‘s always up and down for me looking at the PJ discography chronologically, and not necessarily in tune with what the majority of PJ fans feel:
I‘m among those that aren‘t big fans of the original „Ten“ mix, although a lot of the songs themselves (as in: the compositions) are obviously among the strongest the band have ever written. Have mixed feelings about „Vs“ – similarly to „Ten“, a lot of it due to production and Ed‘s vocals (generally more of a fan of the mid-phase and later Ed vocals). Absolutely love „Vitalogy“ due to the gruffness and snotty attitude but also, strangely, (rough) grooviness in a lof of places. Regard both „No Code“ and „Yield“ as the strongest output (love „Yield“‘s anthem-like qualities and crisp production and „No Code“‘s stylistic rollercoaster, both featuring a ton of creativity and some of the best songwriting). Dig both „Binaural“ and „No Code“ a lot – what a lot of people dislike about „Binaural“‘s muddy production/mix, I find gives it an intriguing dream-like quality. Appreciate roughly half of „Avocado“, am indifferent about the other half. Never really clicked with „Backspacer“ as of yet, might still happen though. Do NOT like „Lightening Bolt“ but think „Gigaton“, one song aside, was a great success creatively and features some of my favorite PJ songs ever.
So no „the golden early days“ with me. There‘s been great songs spread over almost 35 years now, and if some of them only reveal themselves as great to me when played live, that‘s okay.
What kind of a sicko leaves out Riot Act
Meant „Riot Act“ when I wrote „No Code“ for the second time and you know it. I‘ll take the sicko compliment though
Eddies voice is still superior on a bunch of material. Maybe fast-paced vocal-spitting punk rockers just aren't that type of materia when you aren't 28. If hos voice is believed to sound not up-to par on them. (I think it works relatively well on Running myself, more worried about it live. )
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
We are 12 albums in, most artists potency dissipates after let’s say max 3-4 albums… the initial feel isn’t the same no matter how great the songs are. I feel their success has always been to make the music they want and let the chips fall where they may.
Gigaton, imo was a huge leap from backspacer & lightning bolt… to each their own.
Listening back to Avocado & even Lightening Bolt, the vocals so far on the 2 tracks released for Dark Matter are quite muffled in the mix. Running is ok, quite WWS-esque but not as good.
so far Dark Matter > Running
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After several listens of Running I am enjoying it more and more. Using head phones made a huge difference.
Still not sure why they released Running as a single. Actually is it a single? E-mail and everything else I’ve read called it a new song and not a single.
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Funny the more I listen the more I don't like it. I like the bit where is slows but apart from that. Not sure
Same. And even the bridge sounds unoriginal to me. Like I’ve heard it already somewhere on earthlings. Hoping it’s one of the worst songs on the album. I’d be cool with that. Probably wouldn’t even skip it because it’s so short
Just listened to Running driving through the mountains and sounded great through the speakers with the windows down. I like the song, maybe odd choice for a single but like the energy from the track
Funny the more I listen the more I don't like it. I like the bit where is slows but apart from that. Not sure
Same. And even the bridge sounds unoriginal to me. Like I’ve heard it already somewhere on earthlings. Hoping it’s one of the worst songs on the album. I’d be cool with that. Probably wouldn’t even skip it because it’s so short
Yeah earthlings is what I feel with that part too
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"Running" includes the simile as a poetic technique similar to a metaphor but uses the word 'like' or 'as'. There's a beautiful, thought provoking simile in this song!
Lost in the tunnel and the tunnel's
Getting funneled
Like the sewage in the plumbing
Cause we left the fucking water running
What do you think this means?
Does it evoke childhood teachings to turn the lights off when you leave a room and turn the water off when brushing your teeth? Do you think these teachings from decades ago were helpful? Do the kids in your neighborhood still learn this a way to save the environment? Is this generational ownership for fucking the planet and leaving it worse than when we got to share it?
What about funneling a tunnel? Mining resources to building things from our planet?
Hey Pearl Jam… make sure you keep the receipts. Gonna be a lot of people back on the bandwagon after they hear it live!
Sadly, some of us won’t be able to hear it live since we can’t afford tickets this time around.
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Yea, sometimes when dealing with shit/plumbing corn can be involved
The last thing I have to say in response to your insult, is that I believe these lyrics (songs) were made on the spot. On the fly. Like the poet (Ed) just came up with a simile on the spot. Most people don't run around with haiku's, similes etc.. flying out of their mouth with no thought at all. To music, no less.
its like all the whiny little bitches from "oh no the tickets are too expensive " page have migrated over here
I think running is pretty fucking good!
dark matter is good!
our band keeps putting out music and touring!
i think gigaton is pretty good
never thought I would say this but would really like to hear 7 o'clock again live...
i like almost everything they have done in the 2000's and the tours have been by far the best / not wishing for 1998 for me I loved seeing them 2023 rock in Austin they look great cant wait for this year!!!
Whiny little bitches? It’s ok to express opinions about a bands music. That’s what a forum is for. You like running, great! I don’t, great. They are still my favorite band. It’s ok to not like almost everything since 2000.
It's O.K. to not like almost everything since 2000. It's just strange to not like almost everything since 2000 and belong to the band's fan club. I used to really like the Smashing Pumpkins. I loved everything they did through 2000's Machina: The Machines of God. Then Billy Corgan broke up the band and reconstituted it with different people, and everything I've heard from them since then has kind of sucked, even the stuff featuring James and Jimmy. I still love those first five albums, but I wouldn't pay money to belong to a Smashing Pumpkins fan club since I don't think they've done anything good since 2000. (Plus, Billy Corgan is a giant douche.)
- You don’t get the forum without the fanclub (because they once decided to paywall it to ”attificially” add to the perks of the club) - You don’t get fanclub-tickets without the fanclub
Stop playing around. You know this.
Playing around? Why would you want to belong to the forum if you don't like almost everything the band has done for the last 24 years? To have an outlet to express how much you don't like them to people who do like them? Why would you want to go see them if you don't like almost everything they've done for the last 24 years? At a certain point-- like me with the Pumpkins-- shouldn't you just move on and devote your time, energy and money to things you actually like?
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Shouldn't people choose what to do themselves, if it doesn't harm others?
its like all the whiny little bitches from "oh no the tickets are too expensive " page have migrated over here
I think running is pretty fucking good!
dark matter is good!
our band keeps putting out music and touring!
i think gigaton is pretty good
never thought I would say this but would really like to hear 7 o'clock again live...
i like almost everything they have done in the 2000's and the tours have been by far the best / not wishing for 1998 for me I loved seeing them 2023 rock in Austin they look great cant wait for this year!!!
Why are you taking the honest opinions of others so personally? Strange. We’re in a fan club, not a cult.
Right, it's a fan club. Being a fan doesn't mean accepting everything unquestioningly like a cult member. But it does, I think, mean generally being, you know, a fan of the artist and giving them a little more time before you dismiss their art. You would think that fans would: a) not write a song off on the day of its release; and b) not be mostly dismissive of everything an artist has done for the last 24 years. At some point, if you're that consistently disappointed by an artist, are you really still a fan?
Listening back to Avocado & even Lightening Bolt, the vocals so far on the 2 tracks released for Dark Matter are quite muffled in the mix. Running is ok, quite WWS-esque but not as good.
so far Dark Matter > Running
I honestly have not found the vocals muffled at all once I saw the lyrics to each song.
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Spun some Idles and heard that crunchy bass.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Hope Quick Escape still in rotation, it’s so good
so far Dark Matter > Running
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2024.....????
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this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
Lost in the tunnel and the tunnel's
What do you think this means?
Does it evoke childhood teachings to turn the lights off when you leave a room and turn the water off when brushing your teeth? Do you think these teachings from decades ago were helpful? Do the kids in your neighborhood still learn this a way to save the environment? Is this generational ownership for fucking the planet and leaving it worse than when we got to share it?
What about funneling a tunnel? Mining resources to building things from our planet?
aborted my takeoff
living in the shadows
a date with the gallows
and a reprieve not looking likely
Near death/close call/health issues?
Personal or environmental? (If your culture separates the two)