Matt Pinfield comment about the new Pearl Jam album

igotid88 said:

PJNB said:

igotid88 said:

Abe Froman said:

igotid88 said:

PJNB said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

PJNB said:

igotid88 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

igotid88 said:

pdalowsky said:

Cant wait to hear it too but not getting carried away with these reactions ....I mean its become the usual cycle: - 

1) Phenomenal record, love it and have it on repeat. The best album since......

two weeks later

2) Its ok, but........

6 months later

3) Rate your albums in order ...........bottom 4 ....gigaton, LB, Backspacer and Dark Matter

Hype is very real

I hope its absolutely amazing but I fell for this with gigaton, I did really enjoy it at first, and there's still a handful of tracks that are great but once the dust settled it quickly fell out of rotation. I do wonder however if thats my own fault for playing it to death for the first month 

I still have Gigaton on heavy rotation 

Same. I think what helps me is having a broad range of music that I love just as much as Pearl Jam. When I return to listening to them I find deeper appreciation for their entire works every time. 

Me too. Some want them to sound a certain way or are either looking for a perfect song.

And some like every song no matter what... 

For albums, I am that guy. Except for Foxy Mop. That isn't a song. LOL. If it is a song on an album, then it means something to them as artists, and I want to connect with that. So far so good. 

There are some songs that I just can't listen to anymore and a lot of them are on LB. 

Let the Records Play
My Fathers Son
Sleeping By Myself
Sirens 
Future Days

I still enjoy half of the album but the bad are really bad imo. 

Sirens is really bad?

Yes. It’s bad but not nearly as bad as Buckle Up. 

Also, I love Vitalogy just the way it is. Foxymop and all. 

If you guys think Sirens is bad. You must have really high standards.

Or you know different tastes in music. 

I don't care that you like it. It seems to bother people though when I tell them I do not like it which I find a bit odd. 

Not liking something and saying really bad are different things.

kmcmanus said:

BF25394 said:

mace1229 said:

evenflow82 said:

I hear you on Foxymop.  

I wish Vitalogy took off the pointless songs, waited six months and added 'I Got Shit' and 'Long Road' on to the album.  That is how I sequence it at least. 

I agree with the pointless songs. The album would flow so much better if they got rid of Pry To, Stupid Mop, Aye....Whatever. Put them on as b-sides and came up with 1 or 2 decent songs in their place. But I don't like the idea of adding I Got Id or Long Road, I think the NY sessions should be kept separate from a PJ album. 

I think "Pry, To" works really well where it is on Vitalogy. In fact, rather than a snippet of "Interstellar Overdrive" to lead into "Corduroy," I've been saying Pearl Jam should work up a version of "Pry, To" to precede "Corduroy." It wouldn't take a lot of practice.

"Aye Davanita" is interesting, but would be just as interesting if it were half as long.

"Stupid Mop" is fine where it is, and genuinely interesting, but I would have left it unlabeled as a true hidden track.

"Bugs" should never have been on an album. It should have been the third song on a single with a true B-side if it had to see the light of day at all.

The fact that Bugs should never have been on an album is the whole reason they put it there. The “bad” songs on Vitalogy are actually a great lesson on artistic intent of the album, because that album is absolutely trying to be as challenging as possible.

pjl44 said:

BF25394 said:

kmcmanus said:

BF25394 said:

mace1229 said:

evenflow82 said:

I hear you on Foxymop.  

I wish Vitalogy took off the pointless songs, waited six months and added 'I Got Shit' and 'Long Road' on to the album.  That is how I sequence it at least. 

I agree with the pointless songs. The album would flow so much better if they got rid of Pry To, Stupid Mop, Aye....Whatever. Put them on as b-sides and came up with 1 or 2 decent songs in their place. But I don't like the idea of adding I Got Id or Long Road, I think the NY sessions should be kept separate from a PJ album. 

I think "Pry, To" works really well where it is on Vitalogy. In fact, rather than a snippet of "Interstellar Overdrive" to lead into "Corduroy," I've been saying Pearl Jam should work up a version of "Pry, To" to precede "Corduroy." It wouldn't take a lot of practice.

"Aye Davanita" is interesting, but would be just as interesting if it were half as long.

"Stupid Mop" is fine where it is, and genuinely interesting, but I would have left it unlabeled as a true hidden track.

"Bugs" should never have been on an album. It should have been the third song on a single with a true B-side if it had to see the light of day at all.

The fact that Bugs should never have been on an album is the whole reason they put it there. The “bad” songs on Vitalogy are actually a great lesson on artistic intent of the album, because that album is absolutely trying to be as challenging as possible.

I think they could have fully realized their artistic vision for Vitalogy without "Bugs." I don't think any of the other songs are bad, as my post explains. My only quibble with the other three tracks is that one of them is longer than it needs to be. But I dig it.

I feel like we were robbed of Accordion Songs

igotid88 said:

Abe Froman said:

igotid88 said:

PJNB said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

PJNB said:

igotid88 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

igotid88 said:

pdalowsky said:

Cant wait to hear it too but not getting carried away with these reactions ....I mean its become the usual cycle: - 

1) Phenomenal record, love it and have it on repeat. The best album since......

two weeks later

2) Its ok, but........

6 months later

3) Rate your albums in order ...........bottom 4 ....gigaton, LB, Backspacer and Dark Matter

Hype is very real

I hope its absolutely amazing but I fell for this with gigaton, I did really enjoy it at first, and there's still a handful of tracks that are great but once the dust settled it quickly fell out of rotation. I do wonder however if thats my own fault for playing it to death for the first month 

I still have Gigaton on heavy rotation 

Same. I think what helps me is having a broad range of music that I love just as much as Pearl Jam. When I return to listening to them I find deeper appreciation for their entire works every time. 

Me too. Some want them to sound a certain way or are either looking for a perfect song.

And some like every song no matter what... 

For albums, I am that guy. Except for Foxy Mop. That isn't a song. LOL. If it is a song on an album, then it means something to them as artists, and I want to connect with that. So far so good. 

There are some songs that I just can't listen to anymore and a lot of them are on LB. 

Let the Records Play
My Fathers Son
Sleeping By Myself
Sirens 
Future Days

I still enjoy half of the album but the bad are really bad imo. 

Sirens is really bad?

Yes. It’s bad but not nearly as bad as Buckle Up. 

Also, I love Vitalogy just the way it is. Foxymop and all. 

If you guys think Sirens is bad. You must have really high standards.

BSully said:

pdalowsky said:

igotid88 said:

Abe Froman said:

igotid88 said:

PJNB said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

PJNB said:

igotid88 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

igotid88 said:

pdalowsky said:

Cant wait to hear it too but not getting carried away with these reactions ....I mean its become the usual cycle: - 

1) Phenomenal record, love it and have it on repeat. The best album since......

two weeks later

2) Its ok, but........

6 months later

3) Rate your albums in order ...........bottom 4 ....gigaton, LB, Backspacer and Dark Matter

Hype is very real

I hope its absolutely amazing but I fell for this with gigaton, I did really enjoy it at first, and there's still a handful of tracks that are great but once the dust settled it quickly fell out of rotation. I do wonder however if thats my own fault for playing it to death for the first month 

I still have Gigaton on heavy rotation 

Same. I think what helps me is having a broad range of music that I love just as much as Pearl Jam. When I return to listening to them I find deeper appreciation for their entire works every time. 

Me too. Some want them to sound a certain way or are either looking for a perfect song.

And some like every song no matter what... 

For albums, I am that guy. Except for Foxy Mop. That isn't a song. LOL. If it is a song on an album, then it means something to them as artists, and I want to connect with that. So far so good. 

There are some songs that I just can't listen to anymore and a lot of them are on LB. 

Let the Records Play
My Fathers Son
Sleeping By Myself
Sirens 
Future Days

I still enjoy half of the album but the bad are really bad imo. 

Sirens is really bad?

Yes. It’s bad but not nearly as bad as Buckle Up. 

Also, I love Vitalogy just the way it is. Foxymop and all. 

If you guys think Sirens is bad. You must have really high standards.

Im still fond of Sirens, its not a classic by any means but I always enjoy it. Especially when played live, I think it sounded amazing on the 2014 tour. 

If I was to pick one song off LB that was a classic it is Pendulum. That is absolutely top tier stuff from this band. 

I know a lot of fans sneer at Sirens but I tend to enjoy it for what it is. being compared to Black is however never going to end well. 

I must have missed something. Who was comparing Sirens to Black?

Sirens isn't a bad song, but there is no way it compares to Black!

mace1229 said:

BF25394 said:

mace1229 said:

evenflow82 said:

I hear you on Foxymop.  

I wish Vitalogy took off the pointless songs, waited six months and added 'I Got Shit' and 'Long Road' on to the album.  That is how I sequence it at least. 

I agree with the pointless songs. The album would flow so much better if they got rid of Pry To, Stupid Mop, Aye....Whatever. Put them on as b-sides and came up with 1 or 2 decent songs in their place. But I don't like the idea of adding I Got Id or Long Road, I think the NY sessions should be kept separate from a PJ album. 

I think "Pry, To" works really well where it is on Vitalogy. In fact, rather than a snippet of "Interstellar Overdrive" to lead into "Corduroy," I've been saying Pearl Jam should work up a version of "Pry, To" to precede "Corduroy." It wouldn't take a lot of practice.

"Aye Davanita" is interesting, but would be just as interesting if it were half as long.

"Stupid Mop" is fine where it is, and genuinely interesting, but I would have left it unlabeled as a true hidden track.

"Bugs" should never have been on an album. It should have been the third song on a single with a true B-side if it had to see the light of day at all.

Out of all those, Bugs is my favorite. I still agree it's a B-side quality, but I'm happy with it being on there. It goes with the experimental vibe and is fun in its silliness. 
I've never liked Stupid Mop, is just too weird for me. Pry To also does nothing for me.
Aye Davanita, like you said is interesting but too long. I Just want to get to Immortality already! They could have left that as a last song and hidden track, that would have seemed cool.
The problem I always had is once you got passed Corduroy, there were only 2 decent songs left (BM and Immortality. I've never been a fan of Satan's Bed, but at least its a real song and I wouldn't skip it if it wasn't surrounded by other filler), but you were only halfway done with the album at that part. If you wanted to play the whole thing, there was a ton of filler in the second half. Removing Pry To and Stupid Mop, and putting Aye as a hidden track at the end, you really only need 1 more song for it to feel like a full album to me.
And it would have flowed a lot better. No need to skip any.

BF25394 said:

CROJAM95 said:

prior to LB release, believe a few articles/reviews made the Black to Sirens comparison

I love "Sirens," but I always take these comparisons with a grain of salt. Every review of every album since Yield has in some way tried to suggest "this is Pearl Jam getting back to its roots."

BSully said:

pdalowsky said:

igotid88 said:

Abe Froman said:

igotid88 said:

PJNB said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

PJNB said:

igotid88 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

igotid88 said:

pdalowsky said:

Cant wait to hear it too but not getting carried away with these reactions ....I mean its become the usual cycle: - 

1) Phenomenal record, love it and have it on repeat. The best album since......

two weeks later

2) Its ok, but........

6 months later

3) Rate your albums in order ...........bottom 4 ....gigaton, LB, Backspacer and Dark Matter

Hype is very real

I hope its absolutely amazing but I fell for this with gigaton, I did really enjoy it at first, and there's still a handful of tracks that are great but once the dust settled it quickly fell out of rotation. I do wonder however if thats my own fault for playing it to death for the first month 

I still have Gigaton on heavy rotation 

Same. I think what helps me is having a broad range of music that I love just as much as Pearl Jam. When I return to listening to them I find deeper appreciation for their entire works every time. 

Me too. Some want them to sound a certain way or are either looking for a perfect song.

And some like every song no matter what... 

For albums, I am that guy. Except for Foxy Mop. That isn't a song. LOL. If it is a song on an album, then it means something to them as artists, and I want to connect with that. So far so good. 

There are some songs that I just can't listen to anymore and a lot of them are on LB. 

Let the Records Play
My Fathers Son
Sleeping By Myself
Sirens 
Future Days

I still enjoy half of the album but the bad are really bad imo. 

Sirens is really bad?

Yes. It’s bad but not nearly as bad as Buckle Up. 

Also, I love Vitalogy just the way it is. Foxymop and all. 

If you guys think Sirens is bad. You must have really high standards.

Im still fond of Sirens, its not a classic by any means but I always enjoy it. Especially when played live, I think it sounded amazing on the 2014 tour. 

If I was to pick one song off LB that was a classic it is Pendulum. That is absolutely top tier stuff from this band. 

I know a lot of fans sneer at Sirens but I tend to enjoy it for what it is. being compared to Black is however never going to end well. 

I must have missed something. Who was comparing Sirens to Black?

Sirens isn't a bad song, but there is no way it compares to Black!