I wish Vitalogy took off the pointless songs, waited six months and added 'I Got Shit' and 'Long Road' on to the album. That is how I sequence it at least.
great idea.
where would you put them in the tracklist?
1. last exit 2. not for you 3. nothingman 4. betterman 5. immortality 6. spin the black circle 7. tremor christ 8. whipping 9. corduroy 10. satan's bed
add in i got shit/long road/hard to imagine/yellow ledbetter (supposedly recorded during the vs and vitalogy sessions, it'd be the last song obviously)
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I wish Vitalogy took off the pointless songs, waited six months and added 'I Got Shit' and 'Long Road' on to the album. That is how I sequence it at least.
great idea.
where would you put them in the tracklist?
1. last exit 2. not for you 3. nothingman 4. betterman 5. immortality 6. spin the black circle 7. tremor christ 8. whipping 9. corduroy 10. satan's bed
add in i got shit/long road/hard to imagine/yellow ledbetter (supposedly recorded during the vs and vitalogy sessions, it'd be the last song obviously)
I don’t really count the 3 experimental songs when I considering how great an album Vitalogy is from start to finish. I don’t mind the songs on there but damn… if they didn’t include them it would have made a great album even better.
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
I love the crazy stuff on Vitalogy. Love it. I would have hated it if they left them off. Do I always listen to bugs or stupid mop? No, but occasionally. That album is so strong for me. And I wish they did more of that experimental stuff just for the fun of it.
I love the crazy stuff on Vitalogy. Love it. I would have hated it if they left them off. Do I always listen to bugs or stupid mop? No, but occasionally. That album is so strong for me. And I wish they did more of that experimental stuff just for the fun of it.
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I didn’t get a lot out of this anyway. Stone was asked two questions if I recall correctly and nothing new came to light.
I believe Mike did something recently. Maybe we will hear tidbits from that.
btw, radio silence from Ed (unless you consider the listening parties, which I don’t as they are private events).
One thing I was really hoping we would hear more about from all the guys individually was details on the writing and recording process w wottman in LA and @ Shangri La.
I wish Vitalogy took off the pointless songs, waited six months and added 'I Got Shit' and 'Long Road' on to the album. That is how I sequence it at least.
great idea.
where would you put them in the tracklist?
1. last exit 2. not for you 3. nothingman 4. betterman 5. immortality 6. spin the black circle 7. tremor christ 8. whipping 9. corduroy 10. satan's bed
add in i got shit/long road/hard to imagine/yellow ledbetter (supposedly recorded during the vs and vitalogy sessions, it'd be the last song obviously)
Side 1: Last Exit Spin the Black Circle Not For You Tremor Christ Nothingman
Side 2: Corduroy (the fade in to start side 2) Whipping Satan's Bed (the whip sound effects after "Whipping"... wouldn't that make great sense?) Better Man Immortality (great closing track)
I've always felt that this would've made a tremendous album. Knocks it down to about 40 minutes, a perfect length for a single LP. 10 amazing songs, no filler. The four experimental tracks on Vitalogy is just wayyyyy to much.
I wish Vitalogy took off the pointless songs, waited six months and added 'I Got Shit' and 'Long Road' on to the album. That is how I sequence it at least.
great idea.
where would you put them in the tracklist?
1. last exit 2. not for you 3. nothingman 4. betterman 5. immortality 6. spin the black circle 7. tremor christ 8. whipping 9. corduroy 10. satan's bed
add in i got shit/long road/hard to imagine/yellow ledbetter (supposedly recorded during the vs and vitalogy sessions, it'd be the last song obviously)
Side 1: Last Exit Spin the Black Circle Not For You Tremor Christ Nothingman
Side 2: Corduroy (the fade in to start side 2) Whipping Satan's Bed (the whip sound effects after "Whipping"... wouldn't that make great sense?) Better Man Immortality (great closing track)
I've always felt that this would've made a tremendous album. Knocks it down to about 40 minutes, a perfect length for a single LP. 10 amazing songs, no filler. The four experimental tracks on Vitalogy is just wayyyyy to much.
I know that Vitalogy was released two weeks early on vinyl-- I bought it-- but let's not retcon by pretending that it was sequenced for vinyl. It was sequenced as a CD intended to play straight through. They knew it was going to sell overwhelmingly in the CD format and be listened to on CD.
That aside, your sequence makes sense except that I think "Pry, To" really belongs where it is on the album. It only adds 45 seconds to the running time. It hammers home the album's theme and bridges nicely to "Corduroy." I still maintain that they should work this up for the live show-- it wouldn't take much practice-- and play it leading into "Corduroy" instead of, say, "Interstellar Overdrive." Of course, Eddie seems to have come to grips with his fame and might not feel like the song is still relevant to him today.
I wish Vitalogy took off the pointless songs, waited six months and added 'I Got Shit' and 'Long Road' on to the album. That is how I sequence it at least.
great idea.
where would you put them in the tracklist?
1. last exit 2. not for you 3. nothingman 4. betterman 5. immortality 6. spin the black circle 7. tremor christ 8. whipping 9. corduroy 10. satan's bed
add in i got shit/long road/hard to imagine/yellow ledbetter (supposedly recorded during the vs and vitalogy sessions, it'd be the last song obviously)
Side 1: Last Exit Spin the Black Circle Not For You Tremor Christ Nothingman
Side 2: Corduroy (the fade in to start side 2) Whipping Satan's Bed (the whip sound effects after "Whipping"... wouldn't that make great sense?) Better Man Immortality (great closing track)
I've always felt that this would've made a tremendous album. Knocks it down to about 40 minutes, a perfect length for a single LP. 10 amazing songs, no filler. The four experimental tracks on Vitalogy is just wayyyyy to much.
I know that Vitalogy was released two weeks early on vinyl-- I bought it-- but let's not retcon by pretending that it was sequenced for vinyl. It was sequenced as a CD intended to play straight through. They knew it was going to sell overwhelmingly in the CD format and be listened to on CD.
That aside, your sequence makes sense except that I think "Pry, To" really belongs where it is on the album. It only adds 45 seconds to the running time. It hammers home the album's theme and bridges nicely to "Corduroy." I still maintain that they should work this up for the live show-- it wouldn't take much practice-- and play it leading into "Corduroy" instead of, say, "Interstellar Overdrive." Of course, Eddie seems to have come to grips with his fame and might not feel like the song is still relevant to him today.
I understand that Vitalogy, and any album after the CD came into being, was not created with the confines of a tracklisting built for a 2-sided LP... however, I think it still think it stands up as a near perfect canvas for albums. There are so many bloated, way-too-long, 17-track CDs from the 90's (I'm 47, so this is the era I'm most familiar with). I'm old-fashioned. I like a tracklisting that makes sense, an album viewed as a piece of work... and not just a hodge-podge bloat of material you can fit on a disc. There are so many albums from that era that would have greatly benefitted from being trimmed down, in my opinion.
I think of Superunknown (15 tracks, 70 minutes) and Down on the Upside (16 tracks, 66 minutes). Christ, Mellon Collie... is over 120-minutes long. That's a triple-album (double-CD)! Love those albums, but I feel like they would've been made stronger by keeping at least a couple tracks off. I'm just old-fashioned. An album with the old-time constraints is what I love. I remember in Moline (No Code show) when Eddie, before going into "Habit", said something like... "let's flip it over and play side 2".
To me, if you're going to put that much material on an album, it better be something damn special like The Wall or the "White Album" (which kind of contradicts my earlier comments because it is a hodge-podge 30 songs that are all fucking over the place).
A couple of the Chilli Peppers albums are quite long, I quite like them but a trimmed down 12-14 song version would make it a higher quality piece of work. Some of the leftover tracks would make some good b-sides for sure.
I wish Vitalogy took off the pointless songs, waited six months and added 'I Got Shit' and 'Long Road' on to the album. That is how I sequence it at least.
great idea.
where would you put them in the tracklist?
1. last exit 2. not for you 3. nothingman 4. betterman 5. immortality 6. spin the black circle 7. tremor christ 8. whipping 9. corduroy 10. satan's bed
add in i got shit/long road/hard to imagine/yellow ledbetter (supposedly recorded during the vs and vitalogy sessions, it'd be the last song obviously)
Side 1: Last Exit Spin the Black Circle Not For You Tremor Christ Nothingman
Side 2: Corduroy (the fade in to start side 2) Whipping Satan's Bed (the whip sound effects after "Whipping"... wouldn't that make great sense?) Better Man Immortality (great closing track)
I've always felt that this would've made a tremendous album. Knocks it down to about 40 minutes, a perfect length for a single LP. 10 amazing songs, no filler. The four experimental tracks on Vitalogy is just wayyyyy to much.
I know that Vitalogy was released two weeks early on vinyl-- I bought it-- but let's not retcon by pretending that it was sequenced for vinyl. It was sequenced as a CD intended to play straight through. They knew it was going to sell overwhelmingly in the CD format and be listened to on CD.
That aside, your sequence makes sense except that I think "Pry, To" really belongs where it is on the album. It only adds 45 seconds to the running time. It hammers home the album's theme and bridges nicely to "Corduroy." I still maintain that they should work this up for the live show-- it wouldn't take much practice-- and play it leading into "Corduroy" instead of, say, "Interstellar Overdrive." Of course, Eddie seems to have come to grips with his fame and might not feel like the song is still relevant to him today.
I understand that Vitalogy, and any album after the CD came into being, was not created with the confines of a tracklisting built for a 2-sided LP... however, I think it still think it stands up as a near perfect canvas for albums. There are so many bloated, way-too-long, 17-track CDs from the 90's (I'm 47, so this is the era I'm most familiar with). I'm old-fashioned. I like a tracklisting that makes sense, an album viewed as a piece of work... and not just a hodge-podge bloat of material you can fit on a disc. There are so many albums from that era that would have greatly benefitted from being trimmed down, in my opinion.
I think of Superunknown (15 tracks, 70 minutes) and Down on the Upside (16 tracks, 66 minutes). Christ, Mellon Collie... is over 120-minutes long. That's a triple-album (double-CD)! Love those albums, but I feel like they would've been made stronger by keeping at least a couple tracks off. I'm just old-fashioned. An album with the old-time constraints is what I love. I remember in Moline (No Code show) when Eddie, before going into "Habit", said something like... "let's flip it over and play side 2".
To me, if you're going to put that much material on an album, it better be something damn special like The Wall or the "White Album" (which kind of contradicts my earlier comments because it is a hodge-podge 30 songs that are all fucking over the place).
I don't disagree with your general idea, but I don't think Vitalogy is an example of bloat. Save for "Stupid Mop," which is kind of like an unhidden hidden track, it's 47:30. Even with it, it's only 55:00. Cut the length of "Aye Davanita" and drop "Bugs" and you're under 45 minutes without losing much.
When I think of bloat, the first things that come to mind are Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II. There is some really self-indulgent stuff on there. "Get in the Ring" should never have seen the light of day, for example. We did not need an alternate version of "Don't Cry"; save it for the single. The covers ("Live and Let Die" and "Knockin' on Heaven's Door") are very popular but, again, should have been B-sides.
As for Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, it is probably one of my three favorite albums of all time and I think each disc serves its purpose within the overall arc. I'd leave it just the way it is.
A couple of the Chilli Peppers albums are quite long, I quite like them but a trimmed down 12-14 song version would make it a higher quality piece of work. Some of the leftover tracks would make some good b-sides for sure.
I used to feel like that but the more I talked to other fans about these last two RhCp albums, the more I realized that everyone had different favorites. So I love that they release everything they’re passionate about. In this day and age we can always cut it down to our version with playlists.
Agree on Mellon Collie. The Aeroplane Flies High reinforced how good Billy's songwriting was at that time-I could chop and change my favourite tracks from that into Mellon Collie and would have an over 30 song set of absolute bangers. He got the flow right though.
She Likes Surprises I like but because it's a b-side tacked onto the end of Superunknown annoys me. Album is flawless otherwise.
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A couple of the Chilli Peppers albums are quite long, I quite like them but a trimmed down 12-14 song version would make it a higher quality piece of work. Some of the leftover tracks would make some good b-sides for sure.
I used to feel like that but the more I talked to other fans about these last two RhCp albums, the more I realized that everyone had different favorites. So I love that they release everything they’re passionate about. In this day and age we can always cut it down to our version with playlists.
As I've talked about elsewhere on the board, I've been actively listening to my entire music collection in order since the beginning of 2022, and I recently went through the Red Hot Chili Peppers. It actually struck me that, since Blood Sugar Sex Magik, they have made a lot of really long albums. I had never noticed it until I listened to them all one after the other.
For those keeping score at home, I finished R.E.M. yesterday and today I started with the oeuvre of Remy Zero, which is smaller than I wish it were.
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where would you put them in the tracklist?
1. last exit
2. not for you
3. nothingman
4. betterman
5. immortality
6. spin the black circle
7. tremor christ
8. whipping
9. corduroy
10. satan's bed
add in i got shit/long road/hard to imagine/yellow ledbetter (supposedly recorded during the vs and vitalogy sessions, it'd be the last song obviously)
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btw, radio silence from Ed (unless you consider the listening parties, which I don’t as they are private events).
Last Exit
Spin the Black Circle
Not For You
Tremor Christ
Nothingman
Side 2:
Corduroy (the fade in to start side 2)
Whipping
Satan's Bed (the whip sound effects after "Whipping"... wouldn't that make great sense?)
Better Man
Immortality (great closing track)
I've always felt that this would've made a tremendous album. Knocks it down to about 40 minutes, a perfect length for a single LP. 10 amazing songs, no filler. The four experimental tracks on Vitalogy is just wayyyyy to much.
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006:5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
That aside, your sequence makes sense except that I think "Pry, To" really belongs where it is on the album. It only adds 45 seconds to the running time. It hammers home the album's theme and bridges nicely to "Corduroy." I still maintain that they should work this up for the live show-- it wouldn't take much practice-- and play it leading into "Corduroy" instead of, say, "Interstellar Overdrive." Of course, Eddie seems to have come to grips with his fame and might not feel like the song is still relevant to him today.
I think of Superunknown (15 tracks, 70 minutes) and Down on the Upside (16 tracks, 66 minutes). Christ, Mellon Collie... is over 120-minutes long. That's a triple-album (double-CD)! Love those albums, but I feel like they would've been made stronger by keeping at least a couple tracks off. I'm just old-fashioned. An album with the old-time constraints is what I love. I remember in Moline (No Code show) when Eddie, before going into "Habit", said something like... "let's flip it over and play side 2".
To me, if you're going to put that much material on an album, it better be something damn special like The Wall or the "White Album" (which kind of contradicts my earlier comments because it is a hodge-podge 30 songs that are all fucking over the place).
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006:5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
Personally I’d take Mellon Collie down to about 10.
but the Superunknown slander is hurtful & also insane. 😉
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When I think of bloat, the first things that come to mind are Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II. There is some really self-indulgent stuff on there. "Get in the Ring" should never have seen the light of day, for example. We did not need an alternate version of "Don't Cry"; save it for the single. The covers ("Live and Let Die" and "Knockin' on Heaven's Door") are very popular but, again, should have been B-sides.
As for Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, it is probably one of my three favorite albums of all time and I think each disc serves its purpose within the overall arc. I'd leave it just the way it is.
She Likes Surprises I like but because it's a b-side tacked onto the end of Superunknown annoys me. Album is flawless otherwise.
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For those keeping score at home, I finished R.E.M. yesterday and today I started with the oeuvre of Remy Zero, which is smaller than I wish it were.