psst...01/31/2024

dwjmu84 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

dwjmu84 said:

The clips have my interest piqued at the very least; im excited to hear the full tracks in superior audio quality with my gear. But back to the process here. It just feels wrong to hold a listening party, knowing that things (clips, descriptions, etc) will leak out, and then have a protracted wait for this thing.  The album is clearly 100% completely ready to go, so why not just let us have it now? It DOES NOT need to coincide with tour dates. There is no association.  We will all go to the shows we can based on other factors, and album release timing has absolutely nothing to do with it.  I've read that Jeff said they "sat on this album", which also is kind of a head scratcher. Why? If they're as proud of this record as early reports indicate, I would think they'd be dying for us to hear it.

of course album releases coincide with tours. they literally fund each other.  

Wait…what? 

Artists make next to zero on record sales and streams these days. It’s literally a tiny fraction of total revenue. 

Touring is almost 100% where cash flows originate, and they have cash on hand to get the ball rolling for shows and finance the tour. 

Also, nobody is talking about a 6 month gap. First shows we know of occur in May right?

If the album were to be released, let’s say tomorrow, that’s 3 months and change in between. They could spend the time promoting, podcasting, etc. I don’t really think that’s all necessarily (my opinion) bc we die hards will attend the shows regardless. Take the smaller runs they’ve done in the last couple years (I hit dates on both “tours”). There hadn’t been an album since Gig. It does not matter. With fewer dates than the early days, all of their shows will see 100% sellouts no matter what. Did you see how many 10c members whiffed on the presales??? Demand is huge and they have a gtd cash cow with their live efforts. The records are a bonus. 

I'm aware that album sales account for nearly nothing these days. but a TOUR that coincides with said new album does. 

sure, PJ doesn't need a new album to tour. we all know that. but it probably generates a lot more income in merch tied to a new record/new themes than otherwise. 

Kearn5y said:

Only listened to half of the recording. Some good sounds in there but would rather wait for the album to be released to hear anymore. 

Yeah Im with you on this, I have little interest in hearing the new stuff on low quality for the first time. Going to wait it out

I do recall hearing the fixer from outside the soundbox in Seattle when they made the promo video and thinking it sounded incredible. Time wasnt so kind to it

I listened to Avocado yesterday.  First Time in ages. My god it's a brilliant piece of work.  Forgot how good it is 

HughFreakingDillon said:

I dig Backspacer for what it is. I don't put it up against Vitalogy or Yield. I think about it as its own time and place. I like the energetic short rock songs they put out on that record. I listen to it probably more than Avocado or Riot Act, to be honest. 

Love it or hate it, Backspacer knows exactly what it’s trying to be and is always consistently that. And it’s the only PJ studio album under 40 mins. It serves a couple purposes none of the other albums really do.

I dig all their albums in their place and time.  They have not put out anything that I have actively disliked, aside from one or two songs here and there.  Most of the albums are tied to my emotional state at the time, was I in a good spot, did I have good memories with the songs, etc.  
When Covid hit, I REALLY needed Gigaton and it was awesome.  Looking back, it's probably the hardest listen for me, as a lot of bad things were going on in the world, people were separated.  I feel bad too, because I think Gigaton really had a good message that got swallowed up by the pandemic.  I leaned on that album a lot during that time.  But it sort of gives me pandemic vibes listening to it now. Not just pandemic...but like US politics too.  That is the only drawback for Gigaton for me.  I didnt get to make that many new memories with it, a lot of it was remote and home alone.  
Looking forward to a better world experience with this new album, and I like the sounds I am hearing so far. 

Vedd Hedd said:

I dig all their albums in their place and time.  They have not put out anything that I have actively disliked, aside from one or two songs here and there.  Most of the albums are tied to my emotional state at the time, was I in a good spot, did I have good memories with the songs, etc.  
When Covid hit, I REALLY needed Gigaton and it was awesome.  Looking back, it's probably the hardest listen for me, as a lot of bad things were going on in the world, people were separated.  I feel bad too, because I think Gigaton really had a good message that got swallowed up by the pandemic.  I leaned on that album a lot during that time.  But it sort of gives me pandemic vibes listening to it now. Not just pandemic...but like US politics too.  That is the only drawback for Gigaton for me.  I didnt get to make that many new memories with it, a lot of it was remote and home alone.  
Looking forward to a better world experience with this new album, and I like the sounds I am hearing so far. 

I'm very much the same with regards to enjoying albums. Put any of them on, and I'll be happy. I totally get your feelings on Gigaton, too. I have some of that, but I also have a bit of escapist feelings towards it, as I really got into it that Spring. I was working from home, my partner was in the office (in an ICU, so...not worrisome at all), and I would go out for drives around town on nice days to just get out of the house and get some fresh air. So, a lot of the songs have this mixed message of "everything is horrible, but it was such a nice day..." thing.

eboweddie said:

I listened to Avocado yesterday.  First Time in ages. My god it's a brilliant piece of work.  Forgot how good it is 

I adore that album!

Kearn5y said:

eboweddie said:

I listened to Avocado yesterday.  First Time in ages. My god it's a brilliant piece of work.  Forgot how good it is 

Avocado, for me is their best album since Yield. I remember the day it was released, sneaking out of work in Ranelagh to get the bus into town to HMV to get a copy. Picked up 10,000 Days by Tool as well. Inside Job is the best song. Makes a great opener too. 

100%

eboweddie said:

I listened to Avocado yesterday.  First Time in ages. My god it's a brilliant piece of work.  Forgot how good it is 

THIS!

eboweddie said:

Not a single track to skip..if you have the Torino gig 2006. They played it right through.  Gone. WWS. Army reserve.  Comeback.  Inside Job. Just brilliant songs.  Marker too. And life wasted. Super crafted song 

Parachutes is a skip every time for me. I did enjoy it live, though.