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Thank you. I waited about five years before posting anything. I was called out by the mods and always agreed, apologized, took my punishment, apologized to those I offended, etc. Two months ago I discovered a huge violation on here that may have caused ill affects for band members. I flagged it. It was removed and I was thanked because it was a huge deal. So…..thought my “rapport” with them was fairly ok and I did dispute this last punishment but it went no where. Sometimes posts that degrade women on here are hard to take. I’m just not into the whole sex jokes are funny. Thought this was an “all ages open read” forum but sometimes it’s just embarrassing.brianlux said:Sorry to hear about your time out. I think it takes some time to get accustomed to what is OK to say and what is not. And with only two mods and lots of members here, I'm sure some things get overlooked.It helps to establish a rapport with our mods. In my early days here, I made a post that I thought was totally fine and was called out on it by Kat. Actually, I'm sure that has happened more than once. I took that as a learning experience and found ways to say what I wanted to say that would stay in bounds of the parameters here and would float. I still have to check myself at times because I tend to get a bit passionate, angry, or riled up over certain subjects.In any case, I'm very glad you're here with us.
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I hear a good way to root out bad guys with guns is to bomb an entire civilization if any bad guys with guns live there. Some people even seem to applaud it and justify it morally. Not for me but extremists gonna extreme.Post edited by static111 onScio me nihil scire
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That looks like the goggles my daughter used to wear at the old apartment pool. What a looser! (Yes I know just using trump spelling)mickeyrat said:Scio me nihil scire
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cblock4life said:Thank you. I waited about five years before posting anything. I was called out by the mods and always agreed, apologized, took my punishment, apologized to those I offended, etc. Two months ago I discovered a huge violation on here that may have caused ill affects for band members. I flagged it. It was removed and I was thanked because it was a huge deal. So…..thought my “rapport” with them was fairly ok and I did dispute this last punishment but it went no where. Sometimes posts that degrade women on here are hard to take. I’m just not into the whole sex jokes are funny. Thought this was an “all ages open read” forum but sometimes it’s just embarrassing."Sometimes posts that degrade women on here are hard to take. I’m just not into the whole sex jokes are funny."Yeah, not cool in my book, that's for sure. I'm always disappointment when I think we've come a long way from being misogynistic (or racist, etc.), but we're not there yet. Better, but not there.Anyway, sorry to off-topic, folks.So where are we on increased background checks and outlawing AR-15s and such? That at least seems like a good start. But will it happen?
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Sort of like a self-imposed ban to get in front of the NCAA's punishment?brianlux said:
Really? Oh my!
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OnWis97 said:Sort of like a self-imposed ban to get in front of the NCAA's punishment?
Sorry, I have no idea what this means.
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In college sports when some team's committed a violation and is probably going to get punished by the NCAA (National Collegiate Athletics Association) they often self-impose a punishment, which cynics think is lighter than what the NCAA would have doled out. But the NCAA tends to say "OK. Good enough."brianlux said:
(Note; I'm not suggesting you did this to circumvent a larger punishment; your statement just reminded me of that practice.)1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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Thank goodness this guy decided just to take his own life.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/heavily-armed-man-explosives-found-dead-colorado-amusement-104488053
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OnWis97 said:In college sports when some team's committed a violation and is probably going to get punished by the NCAA (National Collegiate Athletics Association) they often self-impose a punishment, which cynics think is lighter than what the NCAA would have doled out. But the NCAA tends to say "OK. Good enough."
(Note; I'm not suggesting you did this to circumvent a larger punishment; your statement just reminded me of that practice.)Ah, I see, thanks!Hmmm... but you know... I actually might have gotten a stronger punishment.
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https://apnews.com/article/lewiston-maine-mass-shooting-35e78383dfb4fd84bfe07bcfc63760ca Maine mass shooter's family reached out to sheriff 5 months before rampage, sheriff's office saysMaine mass shooter's family reached out to sheriff 5 months before rampage, sheriff's office saysBy DAVID SHARP, ROBERT F. BUKATY, JAKE BLEIBERG and BERNARD CONDON2 mins ago
LEWISTON, Maine (AP) — Five months before the deadliest mass shooting in Maine’s history, the gunman’s family alerted the local sheriff that they were becoming concerned about his deteriorating mental health while he had access to firearms, authorities said Monday.
After the alert, the Sagadohoc County Sheriff's Office reached out to officials of Robert Card’s Army Reserve unit, which assured deputies that they would speak to Card and make sure he got medical attention, Sheriff Joel Merry said.
The family’s concern about Card's mental health dated back to early this year before the sheriff's office was contacted in May, marking the earliest in a string of interactions that police had with the 40-year-old firearms instructor before he marched a Lewiston bowling alley and a bar last Wednesday, killing 18 people and wounding 13 others.
After an intensive two-day search that put residents on edge, he was found dead from a self-inflicted gunshot.
Card underwent a mental health evaluation last summer after accusing soldiers of calling him a pedophile, shoving one and locking himself in his room during training in New York, officials said. A bulletin sent to police shortly after last week’s attack said Card had been committed to a mental health facility for two weeks after “hearing voices and threats to shoot up” a military base.
Documents released from the sheriff on Monday gave the most detailed timeline yet of other warning signs and failed efforts to stop the gunman months before he killed.
On Sept. 15, a sheriff's deputy was sent to visit Card’s home for a wellness check at the request of the reserve unit after a soldier said he was afraid Card was “going to snap and commit a mass shooting” because he was hearing voices again. The deputy went to Card's trailer but could not find him — nor the next day on a return visit. The sheriff’s department then sent out a statewide alert for help locating Card with a warning that he was known to be "armed and dangerous” and that officers should use extreme caution.
By this time, Card’s reserve unit had grown sufficiently concerned that it had decided to take away his military-issued firearms, the sheriff’s office was told. Army spokesperson Lt. Col. Ruth Castro confirmed that account, adding that Card was also declared “non-deployable” and that multiple attempts were made to contact him.
According to the deputy's report after visiting Card's home, he reached out to the reserves' unit commander who assured him the Army was trying to get treatment for Card. The commander also said he thought “it best to let Card have time to himself for a bit.”
The deputy then reached out to Card's brother. The brother said he had put Card's firearms in a gun safe in the family farm and would work with their father to move the guns somewhere else and make sure Card couldn't get other firearms.
Authorities recovered a multitude of weapons while searching for Card after the shooting and believe he had legally purchased them, including a Ruger SFAR rifle found in his car, officials said Monday. A Smith & Wesson M&P15 rifle and Smith & Wesson M&P .40-caliber handgun were with his body.
Authorities have not said whether they believe Card planned the Oct. 25 rampage in advance. Nearly three months ago, he tried and failed to acquire a device used to quiet gunshots, a gun shop owner in Auburn said.
Rick LaChapelle, owner of Coastal Defense Firearms, said Card purchased a suppressor, also called a silencer, online and arranged to pick it up at his shop.
Card already had submitted information to the federal government to purchase it, and federal authorities had approved the sale to that point, he said.
When Card filled out the form at LaChapelle’s gun shop to pick up the silencer Aug. 5, he answered “yes” to the question: “Have you ever been adjudicated as a mental defective OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?”
“As soon as he answered that ‘yes’ we know automatically that this is disqualifying, he’s not getting a silencer today,” LaChapelle said.
Silencers are more heavily regulated under federal law than most firearms. Federal law requires buyers to apply with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and be approved. The dealer must do a background check ,too
He said Card was polite when notified of the denial, mentioned something about the military and said he would “come right back” after consulting his lawyer.
Investigators are facing increasing public scrutiny and still searching for a motive for the massacre but have increasingly focused on Card’s mental health history.
On Monday, Gov. Janet Mills, a Democrat, held a news conference to provide an update on the response to the shooting. The conference turned contentious quickly when Mills declined to provide information about what the investigation has turned up so far.
Mills said state lawmakers would revisit Maine gun control laws. Proposals for tighter laws have stalled or failed in recent legislative sessions.
“I’m not going to stand here today and tell you I’m proposing X, Y and Z,” she said. “I’m here to listen, work with others and get people around the table as promptly as possible.”
Card's body was found late Friday in a trailer at a recycling center in Lisbon Falls, but it was unclear when he died.
Residents of Lewiston returned to work Monday, the morning after coming together to mourn those lost in the shootings. More than 1,000 people attended Basilica of Saints Peter & Paul for a vigil in Lewiston.
The deadliest shooting in Maine’s history stunned a state of 1.3 million people that has relatively little violent crime and only 29 killings in all of 2022.
The Lewiston shootings were the 36th mass killing in the U.S. this year, according to a database maintained by the AP and USA Today in partnership with Northeastern University. The database includes every mass killing since 2006 from all weapons in which four or more people, excluding the offender, were killed within a 24-hour time frame.
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Associated Press journalists Patrick Whittle in Portland, David R. Martin and Matt Rourke in Lewiston, Maine, Lindsay Whitehurst in Washington, D.C., Kimberlee Kruesi in Nashville, Bernard Condon in New York and Michael Casey in Boston contributed.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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We are going to come to a point where a mass amount of people will be crying for people to be committed to asylums again. My guess is a good majority of people.mickeyrat said:https://apnews.com/article/lewiston-maine-mass-shooting-35e78383dfb4fd84bfe07bcfc63760ca Maine mass shooter's family reached out to sheriff 5 months before rampage, sheriff's office saysMaine mass shooter's family reached out to sheriff 5 months before rampage, sheriff's office saysBy DAVID SHARP, ROBERT F. BUKATY, JAKE BLEIBERG and BERNARD CONDON2 mins agoLEWISTON, Maine (AP) — Five months before the deadliest mass shooting in Maine’s history, the gunman’s family alerted the local sheriff that they were becoming concerned about his deteriorating mental health while he had access to firearms, authorities said Monday.
After the alert, the Sagadohoc County Sheriff's Office reached out to officials of Robert Card’s Army Reserve unit, which assured deputies that they would speak to Card and make sure he got medical attention, Sheriff Joel Merry said.
The family’s concern about Card's mental health dated back to early this year before the sheriff's office was contacted in May, marking the earliest in a string of interactions that police had with the 40-year-old firearms instructor before he marched a Lewiston bowling alley and a bar last Wednesday, killing 18 people and wounding 13 others.
After an intensive two-day search that put residents on edge, he was found dead from a self-inflicted gunshot.
Card underwent a mental health evaluation last summer after accusing soldiers of calling him a pedophile, shoving one and locking himself in his room during training in New York, officials said. A bulletin sent to police shortly after last week’s attack said Card had been committed to a mental health facility for two weeks after “hearing voices and threats to shoot up” a military base.
Documents released from the sheriff on Monday gave the most detailed timeline yet of other warning signs and failed efforts to stop the gunman months before he killed.
On Sept. 15, a sheriff's deputy was sent to visit Card’s home for a wellness check at the request of the reserve unit after a soldier said he was afraid Card was “going to snap and commit a mass shooting” because he was hearing voices again. The deputy went to Card's trailer but could not find him — nor the next day on a return visit. The sheriff’s department then sent out a statewide alert for help locating Card with a warning that he was known to be "armed and dangerous” and that officers should use extreme caution.
By this time, Card’s reserve unit had grown sufficiently concerned that it had decided to take away his military-issued firearms, the sheriff’s office was told. Army spokesperson Lt. Col. Ruth Castro confirmed that account, adding that Card was also declared “non-deployable” and that multiple attempts were made to contact him.
According to the deputy's report after visiting Card's home, he reached out to the reserves' unit commander who assured him the Army was trying to get treatment for Card. The commander also said he thought “it best to let Card have time to himself for a bit.”
The deputy then reached out to Card's brother. The brother said he had put Card's firearms in a gun safe in the family farm and would work with their father to move the guns somewhere else and make sure Card couldn't get other firearms.
Authorities recovered a multitude of weapons while searching for Card after the shooting and believe he had legally purchased them, including a Ruger SFAR rifle found in his car, officials said Monday. A Smith & Wesson M&P15 rifle and Smith & Wesson M&P .40-caliber handgun were with his body.
Authorities have not said whether they believe Card planned the Oct. 25 rampage in advance. Nearly three months ago, he tried and failed to acquire a device used to quiet gunshots, a gun shop owner in Auburn said.
Rick LaChapelle, owner of Coastal Defense Firearms, said Card purchased a suppressor, also called a silencer, online and arranged to pick it up at his shop.
Card already had submitted information to the federal government to purchase it, and federal authorities had approved the sale to that point, he said.
When Card filled out the form at LaChapelle’s gun shop to pick up the silencer Aug. 5, he answered “yes” to the question: “Have you ever been adjudicated as a mental defective OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?”
“As soon as he answered that ‘yes’ we know automatically that this is disqualifying, he’s not getting a silencer today,” LaChapelle said.
Silencers are more heavily regulated under federal law than most firearms. Federal law requires buyers to apply with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and be approved. The dealer must do a background check ,too
He said Card was polite when notified of the denial, mentioned something about the military and said he would “come right back” after consulting his lawyer.
Investigators are facing increasing public scrutiny and still searching for a motive for the massacre but have increasingly focused on Card’s mental health history.
On Monday, Gov. Janet Mills, a Democrat, held a news conference to provide an update on the response to the shooting. The conference turned contentious quickly when Mills declined to provide information about what the investigation has turned up so far.
Mills said state lawmakers would revisit Maine gun control laws. Proposals for tighter laws have stalled or failed in recent legislative sessions.
“I’m not going to stand here today and tell you I’m proposing X, Y and Z,” she said. “I’m here to listen, work with others and get people around the table as promptly as possible.”
Card's body was found late Friday in a trailer at a recycling center in Lisbon Falls, but it was unclear when he died.
Residents of Lewiston returned to work Monday, the morning after coming together to mourn those lost in the shootings. More than 1,000 people attended Basilica of Saints Peter & Paul for a vigil in Lewiston.
The deadliest shooting in Maine’s history stunned a state of 1.3 million people that has relatively little violent crime and only 29 killings in all of 2022.
The Lewiston shootings were the 36th mass killing in the U.S. this year, according to a database maintained by the AP and USA Today in partnership with Northeastern University. The database includes every mass killing since 2006 from all weapons in which four or more people, excluding the offender, were killed within a 24-hour time frame.
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Associated Press journalists Patrick Whittle in Portland, David R. Martin and Matt Rourke in Lewiston, Maine, Lindsay Whitehurst in Washington, D.C., Kimberlee Kruesi in Nashville, Bernard Condon in New York and Michael Casey in Boston contributed.
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tempo_n_groove said:We are going to come to a point where a mass amount of people will be crying for people to be committed to asylums again. My guess is a good majority of people.
Unfortunately, American's are probably going to get behind that idea before they get behind taking anyone's guns away.
It's as if the guns have more rights than people do nowadays. We've really made quite the mess for ourselves.0
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