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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    R.I.P.
    Governor Newsom will have to name a replacement soon, but likely not in time to avert a government shutdown.  No disrespect to the senator, but I don't understand why she refused to step down months ago.

    Earlier this month, California Gov. Gavin Newsom reiterated his pledge to appoint a Black woman to Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s seat if necessary, but he also said he’d make an “interim appointment” who wouldn’t be any of the candidates who are seeking the seat in next year’s election.

    "It would be completely unfair to the Democrats that have worked their tail off," Newsom said in a September 10 interview on NBC's "Meet the Press." "That primary is just a matter of months away. I don't want to tip the balance of that."

    That would rule out Rep. Barbara Lee, a Black woman who is one of three House members in the race.

    After Newsom’s comments earlier this month, Lee posted on X, formerly known as Twitter, that she was “troubled by the Governor’s remarks.” 

    “The idea that a Black woman should be appointed only as a caretaker to simply check a box is insulting to countless Black women across this country who have carried the Democratic Party to victory election after election,” Lee wrote. “If the Governor intends to keep his promise and appoint a Black woman to the Senate, the people of California deserve the best possible person for that job. Not a token appointment.” 

    Newsom responded to Lee in an interview with CNN’s Dana Bash on September 18.

    “I appreciate that point of view,” Newsom said. “If under that hypothetical situation I'm asked to make an appointment, I will make an appointment of an African American woman, period, full stop. And why? Because I think, (the) best person should be there, and I happen to think that representation matters.”


    I agree that black representation is a fine idea, but what if there are no qualified black women to fill Feinstein's position?  Wouldn't that be like saying, "We're going to have a black woman fly this passenger airliner- full stop.  If we can't find a black female pilot we'll have use whomever we can find, maybe a black female flight attendant."
    That just doesn't make sense.  (But what does these days?)

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  • Gern Blansten
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    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    R.I.P.
    Governor Newsom will have to name a replacement soon, but likely not in time to avert a government shutdown.  No disrespect to the senator, but I don't understand why she refused to step down months ago.
    Cause she sucks like all the other old rotting Congress people (and presidents) that won’t get out of the way and have to maintain power and the benefits that come with it.

    just wait until Mitch freezes and never moves again. 


    I was listening to his speech about Feinstein earlier...I kept thinking how crazy it would be if he froze up again
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  • bootlegger10
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    We shouldn't be having our representatives die of old age while still in office.  Let's get some term limits.  
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    R.I.P.
    Governor Newsom will have to name a replacement soon, but likely not in time to avert a government shutdown.  No disrespect to the senator, but I don't understand why she refused to step down months ago.

    Earlier this month, California Gov. Gavin Newsom reiterated his pledge to appoint a Black woman to Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s seat if necessary, but he also said he’d make an “interim appointment” who wouldn’t be any of the candidates who are seeking the seat in next year’s election.

    "It would be completely unfair to the Democrats that have worked their tail off," Newsom said in a September 10 interview on NBC's "Meet the Press." "That primary is just a matter of months away. I don't want to tip the balance of that."

    That would rule out Rep. Barbara Lee, a Black woman who is one of three House members in the race.

    After Newsom’s comments earlier this month, Lee posted on X, formerly known as Twitter, that she was “troubled by the Governor’s remarks.” 

    “The idea that a Black woman should be appointed only as a caretaker to simply check a box is insulting to countless Black women across this country who have carried the Democratic Party to victory election after election,” Lee wrote. “If the Governor intends to keep his promise and appoint a Black woman to the Senate, the people of California deserve the best possible person for that job. Not a token appointment.” 

    Newsom responded to Lee in an interview with CNN’s Dana Bash on September 18.

    “I appreciate that point of view,” Newsom said. “If under that hypothetical situation I'm asked to make an appointment, I will make an appointment of an African American woman, period, full stop. And why? Because I think, (the) best person should be there, and I happen to think that representation matters.”


    I agree that black representation is a fine idea, but what if there are no qualified black women to fill Feinstein's position?  Wouldn't that be like saying, "We're going to have a black woman fly this passenger airliner- full stop.  If we can't find a black female pilot we'll have use whomever we can find, maybe a black female flight attendant."
    That just doesn't make sense.  (But what does these days?)

    I would assume a guy like Newsom is smart enough to make a statement like that already having several black women in mind. Not just "we're gonna find a fine black woman for this position". he already knows which ones he wants, and will narrow it down from there, if he doesn't have one specifically picked already. 
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  • brianlux
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    R.I.P.
    Governor Newsom will have to name a replacement soon, but likely not in time to avert a government shutdown.  No disrespect to the senator, but I don't understand why she refused to step down months ago.

    Earlier this month, California Gov. Gavin Newsom reiterated his pledge to appoint a Black woman to Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s seat if necessary, but he also said he’d make an “interim appointment” who wouldn’t be any of the candidates who are seeking the seat in next year’s election.

    "It would be completely unfair to the Democrats that have worked their tail off," Newsom said in a September 10 interview on NBC's "Meet the Press." "That primary is just a matter of months away. I don't want to tip the balance of that."

    That would rule out Rep. Barbara Lee, a Black woman who is one of three House members in the race.

    After Newsom’s comments earlier this month, Lee posted on X, formerly known as Twitter, that she was “troubled by the Governor’s remarks.” 

    “The idea that a Black woman should be appointed only as a caretaker to simply check a box is insulting to countless Black women across this country who have carried the Democratic Party to victory election after election,” Lee wrote. “If the Governor intends to keep his promise and appoint a Black woman to the Senate, the people of California deserve the best possible person for that job. Not a token appointment.” 

    Newsom responded to Lee in an interview with CNN’s Dana Bash on September 18.

    “I appreciate that point of view,” Newsom said. “If under that hypothetical situation I'm asked to make an appointment, I will make an appointment of an African American woman, period, full stop. And why? Because I think, (the) best person should be there, and I happen to think that representation matters.”


    I agree that black representation is a fine idea, but what if there are no qualified black women to fill Feinstein's position?  Wouldn't that be like saying, "We're going to have a black woman fly this passenger airliner- full stop.  If we can't find a black female pilot we'll have use whomever we can find, maybe a black female flight attendant."
    That just doesn't make sense.  (But what does these days?)

    I would assume a guy like Newsom is smart enough to make a statement like that already having several black women in mind. Not just "we're gonna find a fine black woman for this position". he already knows which ones he wants, and will narrow it down from there, if he doesn't have one specifically picked already. 

    Possible.  I know he likely has Barbara Lee in mind.  But his statement concerns me nevertheless.  Katie Porter and Adam Schiff having been in the running for the senate race primary, so making that statement could be seen in an ill light by many voters.  Besides which, that adds to the already strong movement further to the right in GOP stronghold counties like the one I live in, and others.  That kind of statement actually does more to motivate conservatives further to the right, and can do more to deepen racial biases rather the quell them.  It ould have made more sense for him to have stated his strong desire for a black woman to fill Feinstein's seat, rather than a such a declarative statement that has a flavor of being obstinate..  Newsom is the kind of politician who fuels right wing reactionary thinking rather than reduce it.  That is not an excuse for the current unhinged right wing behavior, but I think it is a fact that politicians like Newsom actually add fuel to that fire.

    Besides all that, the bottom line for me is that I wish Feinstein had either retired before her last term started or lived long enough for the voters to make the choice rather than one politician who is already very power hungry.  A progressive leaning candidate would have very likely have been elected anyway, Lee just as possibly as one of the other two democrats.
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  • F Me In The Brain
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    We are such a dumb country.  People should not be holding such important positions when they are old as hell. I'm sorry for her that she passed away.  
    I'm not hopeful that the moron voters will learn from this, and Mitch, and the two fossils positioning to be President.  These are the hardest jobs and should be going to be people well past retirement age.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    F Me In The Brain said:
    We are such a dumb country.  People should not be holding such important positions when they are old as hell. I'm sorry for her that she passed away.  
    I'm not hopeful that the moron voters will learn from this, and Mitch, and the two fossils positioning to be President.  These are the hardest jobs and should be going to be people well past retirement age.
    How old are you? Guess you’re out of consideration, eh?
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  • brianlux
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    F Me In The Brain said:
    We are such a dumb country.  People should not be holding such important positions when they are old as hell. I'm sorry for her that she passed away.  
    I'm not hopeful that the moron voters will learn from this, and Mitch, and the two fossils positioning to be President.  These are the hardest jobs and should be going to be people well past retirement age.

    Totally agree.  I will vote for Biden over Trump if I have to (because unfortunately that's probably what it will come down to), but other than that, it's time for our elderly (the 80 and up anyway) law makers to gracefully get the hell out of politics.  
    At the same time, I do believe we do well to seek council and advice from our wise elders.
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  • bootlegger10
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    We are such a dumb country.  People should not be holding such important positions when they are old as hell. I'm sorry for her that she passed away.  
    I'm not hopeful that the moron voters will learn from this, and Mitch, and the two fossils positioning to be President.  These are the hardest jobs and should be going to be people well past retirement age.
    How old are you? Guess you’re out of consideration, eh?
    Oh, I see what you did.  You funny, you a funny man.  Ha.
  • F Me In The Brain
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    We are such a dumb country.  People should not be holding such important positions when they are old as hell. I'm sorry for her that she passed away.  
    I'm not hopeful that the moron voters will learn from this, and Mitch, and the two fossils positioning to be President.  These are the hardest jobs and should be going to be people well past retirement age.
    How old are you? Guess you’re out of consideration, eh?
    Haha.  Should NOT.  Whoops!
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  • Lerxst1992
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    Wow, ageism is alive and well. Not saying she shouldn’t have retired , however people a hell of a lot younger than Feinstein are shutting down the govt simply because their lord trump hates democrats. Maybe we have far worse things impacting DC than a 90 yo woman. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Warren Buffet is 93 years old. Should he be banned from investing on Wall Street or his investment advice dismissed out of hand because, like, he’s really old? How abouts the pope? The pope typically remains head of the Catholic Church until they die. Should they be removed at a certain age? I’ve no sympathy for the Catholic Church but where do you draw the line and for what positions? Surgeons, cops, firefighters, bus drivers, train engineers, architects, programmers, etc., what age is too old and who decides? At least with politicians, the voters decide. Everyone else? Some it’s mandatory, military maybe, others? Who knows. Sometimes it’s the courts, as in “not competent to manage your affairs” or the DMV determining that you’re no longer a competent driver. Why one or some and not others? Who decides?

    Don’t forget, you’re going to be old someday and if you’re lucky “really” old.


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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    And while some are worried about old people in office, nary a word on the multi-millionaires and billionaires, old as fuck, giving tens of millions of dollars to influence elections and SCOTUS appointments. What’s up with that? Ban them from donating to political parties, causes and campaigns. Just go away and leave the rest of us alone, you old fuck. I’d argue they’re more dangerous than a 90 year old senator or a 80 year old POTUS.
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  • brianlux
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Warren Buffet is 93 years old. Should he be banned from investing on Wall Street or his investment advice dismissed out of hand because, like, he’s really old? How abouts the pope? The pope typically remains head of the Catholic Church until they die. Should they be removed at a certain age? I’ve no sympathy for the Catholic Church but where do you draw the line and for what positions? Surgeons, cops, firefighters, bus drivers, train engineers, architects, programmers, etc., what age is too old and who decides? At least with politicians, the voters decide. Everyone else? Some it’s mandatory, military maybe, others? Who knows. Sometimes it’s the courts, as in “not competent to manage your affairs” or the DMV determining that you’re no longer a competent driver. Why one or some and not others? Who decides?

    Don’t forget, you’re going to be old someday and if you’re lucky “really” old.


    Warren Buffet is 93 years old. Should he be banned from investing on Wall Street or his investment advice dismissed out of hand because, like, he’s really old?
    Investing only directly affects the invest so definitely a "no" on that one.

    How abouts the pope? The pope typically remains head of the Catholic Church until they die.
    I'll go with "no" on that one too.  Lot's of fairy tales end with old men dying.  For example:  The Harry Potter series.

    Surgeons, cops, firefighters, bus drivers, train engineers, architects, programmers, etc.,
    "Yes" if they are a danger to those they serve, "no" otherwise.

    At least with politicians, the voters decide.
    Aye, thars the rub, mate.  In a "free" country, you're allowed to vote, so by putting a limit on candidates edge could be seen as a conflict that way.  That is quite the conundrum.  But I still believe elderly politicians ought to have the sense to gracefully retire, especially those in ill health.  Why people keep voting for them is beyond me.  Another reason why it's always a good idea to advocate for educating and signing up younger voters!

    Don’t forget, you’re going to be old someday and if you’re lucky “really” old.
    For sure.   I'm only 72 and of relatively sound mind, but I know what I am and am not capable of.  I sure as hell am not sharp enough to hold down a job as difficult and serious as being a lawmaker, fire fighter, heart surgeon, train engineer, bus driver, or pilot.  No freakin' way!
    But pope?  Oh heck yeah.  Or any other character in a fairy tale.  I'm your man.
     




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  • cincybearcat
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    Wow, ageism is alive and well. Not saying she shouldn’t have retired , however people a hell of a lot younger than Feinstein are shutting down the govt simply because their lord trump hates democrats. Maybe we have far worse things impacting DC than a 90 yo woman. 
    She missed almost 13% of the votes. 2nd most. But yeah I’m sure her age wasn’t the issue. 
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  • mickeyrat
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    oooh, not a good look. chargeable I think. inducing panic?

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mickeyrat said:
    oooh, not a good look. chargeable I think. inducing panic?

    Well, at least he didn’t trigger the smoke alarms by spraying bear spray in a cops face or throwing smoke bombs or taking a dump in the corridor. So there is that.
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    huh. a journalist with integrity?

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    mickeyrat said:
    oooh, not a good look. chargeable I think. inducing panic?

    What about this guy looks like Jamaal Bowman?  There is no detail whatsoever visible in that photo.  A tall guy that may have a lapel pin and be holding a piece of paper...must be JB. get outta here.
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