Seats getting worse on average has been officially and explicitly explained. They’ve made the decision that they’d rather 10C = more people can get a price-capped seat which includes mostly “worse” seats, rather than very few people get a price-capped seat but it’s much more likely to be a good one. It’s understandable if people don’t love that choice but it’s not a mystery.
“Pearl Jam continues to try to protect fans’ access to fairly priced tickets by providing the majority of tickets to its Ten Club members, making tickets non-transferable where permitted, and by selling approximately 10% of tickets through PJ Premium at the market rate to offset increased costs.”
The % of seats allocated to 10C has been stated to be increasing, this may be the first time it’s been an actual majority (not sure on that). And they say explicitly that one reason is to allow more people to have access to price-capped tickets.
That statement does not address at all the question about reserved seats getting progressively worse over time for people who have maintained a long standing member number.
Of course it does, that’s just math. If 10 times as many club members are being picked, it’s exponentially more likely that people with even lower numbers than you are getting seats who wouldn’t have before. Additionally, they’re offsetting the “cost” of this to the band by selling more “Premium” seats, many or most of which will also be better ones.
Sorry - but you are incorrect on the first part. All members have always been able to put in for as many shows as they wanted. The only thing that impacts are the odds of getting chosen in the lottery. It does not explain seats getting worse.
But yes - the "Premium" seats issue likely does have an effect. But they don't say where those are so again it's not been specifically stated.
The smaller number of shows likely has an effect as well.
At the same time, how many people with a better number than me have let them drop at least once in the last 20 years? So that should offset things.
You could put in as many shoes as you want but your first selection had best chance and then you couldn’t be picked for more shoes - that’s how it worked last time, this show they are allowing multiple shows
Yup, that too. People being able to actually claim tickets for multiple shows also definitely has a big effect.
That is not how it worked last time at all lol. What is going on here with all of this misinformation.
Also People being selected for multiple shows in no way shape or form has any effect on someone losing out on their first pick. If they won multiple shows that means they had multiple priorities which means those priorities are past the first pick which means, now wait for it, the first priorities should of been considered before all those priorities after it!
There is an easy way to fix this without unseating people, but it would cost TM or PJ money. They just free up more tickets to 10C and assign those or give people that got screwed a choice between their current tickets and the new ones.
I emailed ten club support asking how folks are getting tickets with Chicago as a 3-5 the choice (same selections) while many folks with it listed as 1-2 priority got shut out. That absolutely needs to be explained, somewhere.
You know how lotteries work, correct?
Every previous lotteries used the priority system that selected 1st priority choices first for single show before going to 2nd priorities.
If they changed this for this tour, it should have been explained up front. If priority means squat going forward, that needs to be explained by the Tenclub.
Guess what wouldn’t be there if the priority didn’t matter? The actual ability to choose priority.
or you can come to terms and realize you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah... makes much more sense to live in the present tense...
It will be interesting (and I am sure make this thread explode) when new seat locations are re-issued as well... wondering how much of a bump in quality older TC members get versus how much of a decline in quality newer TC members get.
Do you think TC will address those who say, had Chicago #2 as Priority 1 and lost while someone had it #3 and won? Or if they lost because they had just GA/Reserved but not Reserved and that was the reason for this happening?
Time will tell. A lot of people must have emailed the Ten Club about this to make this re-seating happen in the first place.
I know plenty of people who had Chicago 1-2 and only selected seats & were chosen
That’s interesting if true as select All Options would be bad advice in those circumstances as their official email said.
hence why we’re here with a big mop and broom getting ready to hopefully clean up this massive mess.
Well my request went "unfulfilled". I'm pissed. I need to emotionally detach myself from the notion that I'll be seeing my favorite band in the Fall. And I would've been willing to pay a lot more than $300.
There's still the "normal" sale on Friday and then the good old secondary market. You're fine.
Verified, a normal sale? Bwahahah.
Secondary market F2F, for non-Chicago shows will be where it’s at.
Thank you 10C for acknowledging and working to fix the seating issues for those 3 venues.
It is appreciated!
What is being fixed? Just reassignment of seat allocations to the “winners”? Or are they fixing the problem of members not even getting a chance at seats cause they picked only ga/Res?
It will be interesting (and I am sure make this thread explode) when new seat locations are re-issued as well... wondering how much of a bump in quality older TC members get versus how much of a decline in quality newer TC members get.
Do you think TC will address those who say, had Chicago #2 as Priority 1 and lost while someone had it #3 and won? Or if they lost because they had just GA/Reserved but not Reserved and that was the reason for this happening?
Time will tell. A lot of people must have emailed the Ten Club about this to make this re-seating happen in the first place.
I know plenty of people who had Chicago 1-2 and only selected seats & were chosen
That’s interesting if true as select All Options would be bad advice in those circumstances as their official email said.
hence why we’re here with a big mop and broom getting ready to hopefully clean up this massive mess.
I know five just personally who only elected reserved & got seats.
or you can come to terms and realize you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah... makes much more sense to live in the present tense...
Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed.. and I’m in that boat
Same here
I emailed ten club support asking how folks are getting tickets with Chicago as a 3-5 the choice (same selections) while many folks with it listed as 1-2 priority got shut out. That absolutely needs to be explained, somewhere.
Because they selected the button for reserved only
Thank you 10C for acknowledging and working to fix the seating issues for those 3 venues.
It is appreciated!
What is being fixed? Just reassignment of seat allocations to the “winners”? Or are they fixing the problem of members not even getting a chance at seats cause they picked only ga/Res?
I suspect for at least priority 1 shows, all of the above.
Process Complete + all selections unfulfilled yet I'm fairly certain that Chicago Side/Rear and Indy lawn seats have not been sent out yet. At least I have yet to see anyone indicating they've been allocated those tickets. If Chicago Side/Rear and Indy lawn were included as part of your ticket request I'm thinking maybe you've still got a shot at some positive news. Does anyone have a ticket request with a status other than "Process Complete"?
Seats getting worse on average has been officially and explicitly explained. They’ve made the decision that they’d rather 10C = more people can get a price-capped seat which includes mostly “worse” seats, rather than very few people get a price-capped seat but it’s much more likely to be a good one. It’s understandable if people don’t love that choice but it’s not a mystery.
“Pearl Jam continues to try to protect fans’ access to fairly priced tickets by providing the majority of tickets to its Ten Club members, making tickets non-transferable where permitted, and by selling approximately 10% of tickets through PJ Premium at the market rate to offset increased costs.”
The % of seats allocated to 10C has been stated to be increasing, this may be the first time it’s been an actual majority (not sure on that). And they say explicitly that one reason is to allow more people to have access to price-capped tickets.
That statement does not address at all the question about reserved seats getting progressively worse over time for people who have maintained a long standing member number.
Of course it does, that’s just math. If 10 times as many club members are being picked, it’s exponentially more likely that people with even lower numbers than you are getting seats who wouldn’t have before. Additionally, they’re offsetting the “cost” of this to the band by selling more “Premium” seats, many or most of which will also be better ones.
Sorry - but you are incorrect on the first part. All members have always been able to put in for as many shows as they wanted. The only thing that impacts are the odds of getting chosen in the lottery. It does not explain seats getting worse.
But yes - the "Premium" seats issue likely does have an effect. But they don't say where those are so again it's not been specifically stated.
The smaller number of shows likely has an effect as well.
At the same time, how many people with a better number than me have let them drop at least once in the last 20 years? So that should offset things.
You could put in as many shoes as you want but your first selection had best chance and then you couldn’t be picked for more shoes - that’s how it worked last time, this show they are allowing multiple shows
Yup, that too. People being able to actually claim tickets for multiple shows also definitely has a big effect.
That is not how it worked last time at all lol. What is going on here with all of this misinformation.
Also People being selected for multiple shows in no way shape or form has any effect on someone losing out on their first pick. If they won multiple shows that means they had multiple priorities which means those priorities are past the first pick which means, now wait for it, the first priorities should of been considered before all those priorities after it!
It is just math
JFC you again? This exchange was about “my seats have gotten worse over the years”, not the priority ranking stuff. You’re so busy looking for something to be a dickhead about that you can’t even read.
Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed.. and I’m in that boat
Same here
I emailed ten club support asking how folks are getting tickets with Chicago as a 3-5 the choice (same selections) while many folks with it listed as 1-2 priority got shut out. That absolutely needs to be explained, somewhere.
Because they selected the button for reserved only
Seats getting worse on average has been officially and explicitly explained. They’ve made the decision that they’d rather 10C = more people can get a price-capped seat which includes mostly “worse” seats, rather than very few people get a price-capped seat but it’s much more likely to be a good one. It’s understandable if people don’t love that choice but it’s not a mystery.
“Pearl Jam continues to try to protect fans’ access to fairly priced tickets by providing the majority of tickets to its Ten Club members, making tickets non-transferable where permitted, and by selling approximately 10% of tickets through PJ Premium at the market rate to offset increased costs.”
The % of seats allocated to 10C has been stated to be increasing, this may be the first time it’s been an actual majority (not sure on that). And they say explicitly that one reason is to allow more people to have access to price-capped tickets.
That statement does not address at all the question about reserved seats getting progressively worse over time for people who have maintained a long standing member number.
Of course it does, that’s just math. If 10 times as many club members are being picked, it’s exponentially more likely that people with even lower numbers than you are getting seats who wouldn’t have before. Additionally, they’re offsetting the “cost” of this to the band by selling more “Premium” seats, many or most of which will also be better ones.
Sorry - but you are incorrect on the first part. All members have always been able to put in for as many shows as they wanted. The only thing that impacts are the odds of getting chosen in the lottery. It does not explain seats getting worse.
But yes - the "Premium" seats issue likely does have an effect. But they don't say where those are so again it's not been specifically stated.
The smaller number of shows likely has an effect as well.
At the same time, how many people with a better number than me have let them drop at least once in the last 20 years? So that should offset things.
You could put in as many shoes as you want but your first selection had best chance and then you couldn’t be picked for more shoes - that’s how it worked last time, this show they are allowing multiple shows
Yup, that too. People being able to actually claim tickets for multiple shows also definitely has a big effect.
That is not how it worked last time at all lol. What is going on here with all of this misinformation.
Also People being selected for multiple shows in no way shape or form has any effect on someone losing out on their first pick. If they won multiple shows that means they had multiple priorities which means those priorities are past the first pick which means, now wait for it, the first priorities should of been considered before all those priorities after it!
It is just math
The seat assignments are only part of the problem. Everything is screwed up.
Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed.. and I’m in that boat
Same here
I emailed ten club support asking how folks are getting tickets with Chicago as a 3-5 the choice (same selections) while many folks with it listed as 1-2 priority got shut out. That absolutely needs to be explained, somewhere.
Because they selected the button for reserved only
Incorrect - folks selected both and were shut out even if that wasn’t the case anyone who had reserved as. 1/2 should still get priority over someone who had ga/reserved as their 4-5th choice agaij I know plenty of ppl who got in just with reserved selected
or you can come to terms and realize you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah... makes much more sense to live in the present tense...
Seats getting worse on average has been officially and explicitly explained. They’ve made the decision that they’d rather 10C = more people can get a price-capped seat which includes mostly “worse” seats, rather than very few people get a price-capped seat but it’s much more likely to be a good one. It’s understandable if people don’t love that choice but it’s not a mystery.
“Pearl Jam continues to try to protect fans’ access to fairly priced tickets by providing the majority of tickets to its Ten Club members, making tickets non-transferable where permitted, and by selling approximately 10% of tickets through PJ Premium at the market rate to offset increased costs.”
The % of seats allocated to 10C has been stated to be increasing, this may be the first time it’s been an actual majority (not sure on that). And they say explicitly that one reason is to allow more people to have access to price-capped tickets.
That statement does not address at all the question about reserved seats getting progressively worse over time for people who have maintained a long standing member number.
Of course it does, that’s just math. If 10 times as many club members are being picked, it’s exponentially more likely that people with even lower numbers than you are getting seats who wouldn’t have before. Additionally, they’re offsetting the “cost” of this to the band by selling more “Premium” seats, many or most of which will also be better ones.
Sorry - but you are incorrect on the first part. All members have always been able to put in for as many shows as they wanted. The only thing that impacts are the odds of getting chosen in the lottery. It does not explain seats getting worse.
But yes - the "Premium" seats issue likely does have an effect. But they don't say where those are so again it's not been specifically stated.
The smaller number of shows likely has an effect as well.
At the same time, how many people with a better number than me have let them drop at least once in the last 20 years? So that should offset things.
You could put in as many shoes as you want but your first selection had best chance and then you couldn’t be picked for more shoes - that’s how it worked last time, this show they are allowing multiple shows
Yup, that too. People being able to actually claim tickets for multiple shows also definitely has a big effect.
That is not how it worked last time at all lol. What is going on here with all of this misinformation.
Also People being selected for multiple shows in no way shape or form has any effect on someone losing out on their first pick. If they won multiple shows that means they had multiple priorities which means those priorities are past the first pick which means, now wait for it, the first priorities should of been considered before all those priorities after it!
It is just math
JFC you again? This exchange was about “my seats have gotten worse over the years”, not the priority ranking stuff. You’re so busy looking for something to be a dickhead about that you can’t even read.
Unnecessary.
"A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed.. and I’m in that boat
Same here
I emailed ten club support asking how folks are getting tickets with Chicago as a 3-5 the choice (same selections) while many folks with it listed as 1-2 priority got shut out. That absolutely needs to be explained, somewhere.
Because they selected the button for reserved only
Admittedly I didn't read every post for the last 18 hours so I'm not sure how much this has been discussed ... but I was surprised that I won 2nd choice (Reserved) for all 3 of the shows I put in for. Makes me wonder if they picked individual names and once you were selected you got all remaining available shows you wanted ... which would lead to plenty of #2s getting in over #1s. For example Chicago N2 was my #2 priority and i got Reserved even though many people here are suggesting they didn't get N2 #1 Reserved.
There were 0 wins for lawn. Majority would be at least 9001 tickets. There are still tickets to go out today. Can't speak to other shows but this is a fact.
Anyone thinking that tickets magically will be found & your order status will go from unfulfilled to fulfilled I think is going to be sadly disappointed.. and I’m in that boat
Same here
I emailed ten club support asking how folks are getting tickets with Chicago as a 3-5 the choice (same selections) while many folks with it listed as 1-2 priority got shut out. That absolutely needs to be explained, somewhere.
Because they selected the button for reserved only
Premium is pushing people back further than before. More seats allocated is as well since more people are winning RES which is raising the chances that more people with better numbers than you are winning too.
Admittedly I didn't read every post for the last 18 hours so I'm not sure how much this has been discussed ... but I was surprised that I won 2nd choice (Reserved) for all 3 of the shows I put in for. Makes me wonder if they picked individual names and once you were selected you got all remaining available shows you wanted ... which would lead to plenty of #2s getting in over #1s. For example Chicago N2 was my #2 priority and i got Reserved even though many people here are suggesting they didn't get N2 #1 Reserved.
This appears to be what happened to some extent. Totally different from previous tours.
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Also People being selected for multiple shows in no way shape or form has any effect on someone losing out on their first pick. If they won multiple shows that means they had multiple priorities which means those priorities are past the first pick which means, now wait for it, the first priorities should of been considered before all those priorities after it!
It is just math
you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah...
makes much more sense to live in the present tense...
1995: 7/11 (Chicago) 2009: 8/23, 8/24 (Chicago) 2010: 5/9 (Cleveland) 2013 7/19 (Chicago) 2016: 4/9 (Miami), 5/1 (NYC), 8/20 & 8/22 (Chicago)
2018: 8/18 (Chicago) & 8/20 (Chicago) 2022: 9/11 (NYC), 9/18 (STL) 2023: 9/5 (Chicago), 9/7 (Chicago) 2024: 8/29 (Chicago), 8/31 (Chicago)
hence why we’re here with a big mop and broom getting ready to hopefully clean up this massive mess.
Secondary market F2F, for non-Chicago shows will be where it’s at.
I’m glad someone either used logic, read my posts, or both
you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah...
makes much more sense to live in the present tense...
1995: 7/11 (Chicago) 2009: 8/23, 8/24 (Chicago) 2010: 5/9 (Cleveland) 2013 7/19 (Chicago) 2016: 4/9 (Miami), 5/1 (NYC), 8/20 & 8/22 (Chicago)
2018: 8/18 (Chicago) & 8/20 (Chicago) 2022: 9/11 (NYC), 9/18 (STL) 2023: 9/5 (Chicago), 9/7 (Chicago) 2024: 8/29 (Chicago), 8/31 (Chicago)
beyond that, likelihood drops.
"You will also be notified via email if your request is not confirmed."
I never got a rejection for Chicago N1. Holding out hope.
even if that wasn’t the case anyone who had reserved as. 1/2 should still get priority over someone who had ga/reserved as their 4-5th choice
agaij I know plenty of ppl who got in just with reserved selected
you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah...
makes much more sense to live in the present tense...
1995: 7/11 (Chicago) 2009: 8/23, 8/24 (Chicago) 2010: 5/9 (Cleveland) 2013 7/19 (Chicago) 2016: 4/9 (Miami), 5/1 (NYC), 8/20 & 8/22 (Chicago)
2018: 8/18 (Chicago) & 8/20 (Chicago) 2022: 9/11 (NYC), 9/18 (STL) 2023: 9/5 (Chicago), 9/7 (Chicago) 2024: 8/29 (Chicago), 8/31 (Chicago)
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2017 - Soundgarden Dallas (cancelled) RIP Chris Cornell
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