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when I try to pull up my requests to see if they are unfulfilled, it page now requesting a code. Probably due to VF. not sure, anyone can see their requests?
I think it is that way for everybody now.
Or maybe they are actually going to do a "do over" as it mentions using your previous Request / Receipt Number and resubmitting..and also if you change anything like seat type or date..it will be voided.
This is absolutely fucked up. You are telling me sections 121 and 113 have no 10 club allocation? Is this all going to be premium? If so, this is just terrible. SECOND these seating spots are absolutely jacked up.
I got 121 and 113.
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This is absolutely fucked up. You are telling me sections 121 and 113 have no 10 club allocation? Is this all going to be premium? If so, this is just terrible. SECOND these seating spots are absolutely jacked up.
I got 121 and 113.
Good to hear. Like I said later, while this a small sample size, I want to see a chart like this once there is more info.There are clearly some members on this with very low numbers and pushed to second section at best, and those seem very few based on it as it stands. More than I've ever seen. Curious, whats your number?
This is absolutely fucked up. You are telling me sections 121 and 113 have no 10 club allocation? Is this all going to be premium? If so, this is just terrible. SECOND these seating spots are absolutely jacked up.
Actually, seating doesn't look as backwards seeing it layer out. With the exception of the first few being in the 300s, it more or less follows seniority.
Go through there and see how many are misplaced. Let’s say it’s 10-12, example the 203xxx, thats right around my number in the 300s section. Guy right BELOW him is 110. All im saying, if thats you and your number, how would you feel being the "well its not that bad they only misplaced a few." This is just a small sample size for now as well, so I'll also say I'd like to see it when it’s more full but clearly off to a bad start.
But where are sections 112,113,121,122? those were always my seats?
Exactly my friend, mine too. Thats what I touched on in my first post about this. Im guessing premium?
This...........it sure seems like the sections that were previously 10C seats(some of the best in the house) are now Pearl Jam Premium.
This is my take. 10c made a deal with the devil to get the entire GA at those prices. The cost was letting TM sell massive chunks of the best wing sections that used to go to low numbered members as PJ Premium. The practical result is that most of the 10c reserved seats are now among the worst in the house (the back of the floor, far end seats, and upper level. For me, it means my 25 years of seniority now gets me seats 16 rows behind GA on the floor where I’ll be looking at the back of peoples heads and having to watch the screens all night. Disappointing to say the least.
Still not seeing a credit for the initial charge from Tuesday before the seat reassignment, They said we would see a credit Tuesday night! This whole process is a complete joke.
All of those people with the lower numbers that are so disappointed... Did you get to see some great shows in the past? Better than any of us chopped livers with the "bad" numbers? Oh, the times of "front row tickets!" - I barely scraped by them. You pay how much for that membership? Is it like 30 bucks right now? A year? I understand wanting better tickets, we all want to have the best we can, but some of y'all really come across as a bit entitled. The band probably enjoys seeing newer faces and enthusiasm up front every so often too. Times change. I had the most wonderful experiences with this band, and before the last Baltimore show (the only one I could afford last time around and that was first postponed and then cancelled because of venue issues) I had won some and lost some. And I was always happy to get 10c tix so I did not have to deal with the general sale. Things have gotten so much better than during the PJ20 sale (where I got lucky!). Why not be happy for newer members too? Do you want it all just for yourselves? Because you pay a measly membership fee? I hope everyone who got tickets will enjoy the shows, I know I will, being in the fucking building and meeting with good friends, old and new. (I do feel with the ones that are now seemingly shut out because of CC balance limits.)
Seems that those who are in the 300 sections with better seniority than - let’s say you - have every reason to be upset, yet many congratulated those who recently received seats that belong to those who have been paying membership fees since the 90’s (were you even born yet?) . I’m positive that this is not how the band intended for this lottery. So try hard to be respectful of what the band intended. Your post was definitely not necessary and totally disrespectful and antagonistic.
Condescending too. People can f off with their own interpretations of what the membership benefits mean when it comes to the lottery & seniority based seating.
The membership benefits are laid out clear as day, and the band didn't honor them.
People have a right to be upset when they don't get what they pay for.
+1 it is as simple as that. 10C still has a chance to address this. If it goes unmentioned then we know where we stand.
I work for a member-based organization. If I screwed something up this badly, or if something on my watch got screwed up this badly by a vendor, my boss would ask me two questions.
What have you done to fix it? What have you communicated to the members?
10c would have a hard time answering both of those questions this morning.
This is absolutely fucked up. You are telling me sections 121 and 113 have no 10 club allocation? Is this all going to be premium? If so, this is just terrible. SECOND these seating spots are absolutely jacked up.
I got 121 and 113.
Good to hear. Like I said later, while this a small sample size, I want to see a chart like this once there is more info.There are clearly some members on this with very low numbers and pushed to second section at best, and those seem very few based on it as it stands. More than I've ever seen. Curious, whats your number?
59xxxx.
For what it's worth, buying event tickets is a complete mess across the board right now. I used to be able to snag tickets to pretty much whatever I wanted, with a quick trigger finger, and am now almost always in the "2,000+ people ahead of you" queue which never opens up. Long story short, Ticketmaster and the bands themselves are taking back the profits scalpers were making on StubHub.
Warts and all, we are very very lucky to have this access from 10-C.
"They said ... timing was everything
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
I’m not seeing any shows this tour but I feel awful for how this turned out for everyone.
Two thoughts come to mind…
1. It’s extremely important that seniority be honored for seating assignment. Not only does it show loyalty to fans, but more importantly seniority is why people renew their memberships every year. We pay dues every year - even when there are no tours. Sometimes it’s 3,4, or 5 years between tours in some areas. If you fail to honor seniority for seat assignment then there’s zero incentive to keep your membership active in non touring years. Instead we could just renew when the tour rumors begin and take random seat assignments.
2. The fiasco created here by Ticketmaster is another example of why monopolies are so bad. It’s not just that we are forced to pay whatever fees they feel like charging, but there is really no alternative for the next tour. In any other business, the ten club would seek out another vendor to handle its business after the way Ticketmaster botched this sale. But the reality is there are no alternatives. They have no choice but to go back to Ticketmaster on the next tour. So there’s zero incentive for TM to spend the money to fix what went wrong and we will get more of the same awful service next time.
100%.
I’m going to respectfully disagree that there are no alternatives to handle the lottery process.
There are plenty of other vendors that could more efficiently handle this process.
much smaller bands, but have seen My Morning Jacket, Primus, and Wilco use Music Today with great success and later those other tickets were sold by Ticketmaster so that would be an option.
on a larger scale, Radiohead doesn’t do a lottery but sells tickets through their own store Waste, with great success too, especially in the days where you got a date for when it would go live but not a time (if willing to be dedicated and stay up, you likely got tickets).
I get the TM hate, but I think it’s likely clear that there was a communication gap between 10 Club and TM at least in the initial set up stages to tell them exactly how to run this process, step by step.
that’s on Ten Club. TM is very clear that they execute to whatever the artist tells them. If the artists doesn’t provide enough specifics, that’s when things get fucked up.
truly believe the origin of this mess likely belong to Ten Club for not being super clear up front, as most of us could have managed this better with a spreadsheet based on knowing how the process is supposed to be executed.
Think about it this way, how many times, at your work, have you seen the simplest things get fucked up because someone wasn’t given enough context, instruction, or guidance.
for me, it’s at minimum a weekly occurrence and maybe even daily (though smaller scale stuff obviously).
All Ticketmaster does is sell tickets. It’s not like they asked Home Depot to handle the ticket sales. Not sure how much context, instruction, or guidance you need for this considering TM has handled the ticket lottery and seat assignment for past tours. This is clearly on TM.
You really think that after reading all the prioritization complaints and people who didn’t get tickets assigned correctly?
I’d almost guarantee that Ten Club said here’s our instructions for people, now you do the behind the scenes. Not contemplating that they don’t know to:
- draw priority 1 and so on before everyone else - get total pool and THEN assign seats
Seems pretty clear to me at least that there was a lack of understanding of specifics required.
where that misunderstanding originated, I can’t determine for sure.
This is absolutely fucked up. You are telling me sections 121 and 113 have no 10 club allocation? Is this all going to be premium? If so, this is just terrible. SECOND these seating spots are absolutely jacked up.
I got 121 and 113.
Good to hear. Like I said later, while this a small sample size, I want to see a chart like this once there is more info.There are clearly some members on this with very low numbers and pushed to second section at best, and those seem very few based on it as it stands. More than I've ever seen. Curious, whats your number?
59xxxx.
For what it's worth, buying event tickets is a complete mess across the board right now. I used to be able to snag tickets to pretty much whatever I wanted, with a quick trigger finger, and am now almost always in the "2,000+ people ahead of you" queue which never opens up. Long story short, Ticketmaster and the bands themselves are taking back the profits scalpers were making on StubHub.
Warts and all, we are very very lucky to have this access from 10-C.
I can't disagree. It has gotten crazy and I do not fault the bands for doing what they can to get the money for their performance over scalpers.
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Any way to put in for these now?I have reverse buyers remorse.
Not that I'm aware of. But if you end up upgrading thru F2F, you have the option to purchase thru TM at the time of checkout.
got them for 1 of 2 shows I saw in 2022. Never received them for Nashville. when i reached out to TM the third time they basically told me i was out of luck and wouldn't get a refund. Hopefully I get them for every show this year.
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Also got hit for a commemorative ticket charge. At least I’m confirmed pit for night 1 in Chicago. I Got Shit for night 2 even though it was my second priority…
Anyone else still have duplicate ticket charges? Not a huge deal, but I definitely want to make sure I don't get charged $700 (!!) for a single pair of tickets...
This is absolutely fucked up. You are telling me sections 121 and 113 have no 10 club allocation? Is this all going to be premium? If so, this is just terrible. SECOND these seating spots are absolutely jacked up.
I got 121 and 113.
Good to hear. Like I said later, while this a small sample size, I want to see a chart like this once there is more info.There are clearly some members on this with very low numbers and pushed to second section at best, and those seem very few based on it as it stands. More than I've ever seen. Curious, whats your number?
59xxxx.
For what it's worth, buying event tickets is a complete mess across the board right now. I used to be able to snag tickets to pretty much whatever I wanted, with a quick trigger finger, and am now almost always in the "2,000+ people ahead of you" queue which never opens up. Long story short, Ticketmaster and the bands themselves are taking back the profits scalpers were making on StubHub.
Warts and all, we are very very lucky to have this access from 10-C.
I can't disagree. It has gotten crazy and I do not fault the bands for doing what they can to get the money for their performance over scalpers.
I agree with this too. The odd thing is that the tour last year didn’t seem to have these issues. Now we’re seeing low numbers with terrible seats and higher numbers with obviously better seat locations. Mistakes were made somewhere and hopefully they get sorted out.
I work for a member-based organization. If I screwed something up this badly, or if something on my watch got screwed up this badly by a vendor, my boss would ask me two questions.
What have you done to fix it? What have you communicated to the members?
10c would have a hard time answering both of those questions this morning.
something clearly happened prompting the seat reassignment yesterday. Never seen that before.
Mansfield 6/30/08 - Wrigley Field 7/14/13 - Worcester I 10/15/13 - Global Citizen 9/26/15 - MSG II 5/2/16 - Fenway I 8/5/16 - Fenway II 8/7/16 - Fenway II 9/4/18 - LA I 5/6/22 - LA II 5/7/22 - MSG 9/11/22 - Nashville 9/16/22 - St. Paul I and II 8/31/23-9/2/23
This is absolutely fucked up. You are telling me sections 121 and 113 have no 10 club allocation? Is this all going to be premium? If so, this is just terrible. SECOND these seating spots are absolutely jacked up.
I got 121 and 113.
Good to hear. Like I said later, while this a small sample size, I want to see a chart like this once there is more info.There are clearly some members on this with very low numbers and pushed to second section at best, and those seem very few based on it as it stands. More than I've ever seen. Curious, whats your number?
59xxxx.
For what it's worth, buying event tickets is a complete mess across the board right now. I used to be able to snag tickets to pretty much whatever I wanted, with a quick trigger finger, and am now almost always in the "2,000+ people ahead of you" queue which never opens up. Long story short, Ticketmaster and the bands themselves are taking back the profits scalpers were making on StubHub.
Warts and all, we are very very lucky to have this access from 10-C.
I can't disagree. It has gotten crazy and I do not fault the bands for doing what they can to get the money for their performance over scalpers.
Not to mention their entire business model changed after streaming. I don't begrudge them either, but it's still a hard pill to swallow when it goes down.
Tool oversold their fanclub VIP tickets in the fall of 2021. I was confirmed VIP the day of the sale, the next day they cancelled my ticket. How that happens this day in age is beyond me... I got over it, but again... it sucks pretty hard in that moment.
Regardless, it's not just 10C. It's f'ed across the board.
& Yeah, 10C should say something about how this went down... like Jimmy pointed out, if most of us messed up like this at our jobs, we would have some questions to answer.
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made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
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e.V Bailtimore MD 6/14/2009...
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.PJ...Philly PA 10/27/2009 PJ.Philadephia PA 10/28/2009.
PJ Columbus OH 5/6/2010
PJ Cleveland OH 5/9/2010.
BRAD Columbus OH 10/5/2010
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.PJ.. East Troy WI 9/3/2011..PJ..East Troy WI 9/4/2011
Neil Young & Crazy Horse Cleveland OH 10/8/2012
RNDM Chicago IL11/13/2012
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AIC Cincinnati OH 5/17/2014
AIC Cleveland OH 5/19/2014
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PJ Cincinnati OH 10/1/2014
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RNDM Chicago IL 3/15/2016
PJ Columbia SC 4\21\2016
PJ Lexington KY 4/26/2016
PJ Chicago IL 8/20/2016
Soundgarden Columbus OH 5/20/2017 Canceled RIP Chris
AIC Columbus OH 5/18/2018
PJ Chicago IL 8/18/2018 PJ Chicago IL 8/20/2018
PJ St Louis Missouri 9/18/2022
AIC Cuyohoga falls Oh. 8/16/2019
SHAWNSMITH Rip 2019Mark Lanegan Band 5/18/19
Good to hear. Like I said later, while this a small sample size, I want to see a chart like this once there is more info.There are clearly some members on this with very low numbers and pushed to second section at best, and those seem very few based on it as it stands. More than I've ever seen. Curious, whats your number?
What have you done to fix it?
What have you communicated to the members?
10c would have a hard time answering both of those questions this morning.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
For what it's worth, buying event tickets is a complete mess across the board right now. I used to be able to snag tickets to pretty much whatever I wanted, with a quick trigger finger, and am now almost always in the "2,000+ people ahead of you" queue which never opens up. Long story short, Ticketmaster and the bands themselves are taking back the profits scalpers were making on StubHub.
Warts and all, we are very very lucky to have this access from 10-C.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
I’d almost guarantee that Ten Club said here’s our instructions for people, now you do the behind the scenes. Not contemplating that they don’t know to:
- draw priority 1 and so on before everyone else
- get total pool and THEN assign seats
where that misunderstanding originated, I can’t determine for sure.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Chicago 1 9.5.2023. Chicago 2 9.7.2023.
*Noblesville 9.10.2023* (Gutted)
Eddie Vedder: 6/15/09 6/16/11
Tool oversold their fanclub VIP tickets in the fall of 2021. I was confirmed VIP the day of the sale, the next day they cancelled my ticket. How that happens this day in age is beyond me... I got over it, but again... it sucks pretty hard in that moment.
Regardless, it's not just 10C. It's f'ed across the board.
& Yeah, 10C should say something about how this went down... like Jimmy pointed out, if most of us messed up like this at our jobs, we would have some questions to answer.
But now it's just asking for an access code. Likely related to people who had CC issues and tickets got cancelled?
Who actually knows at this point in the game.
Eddie Vedder: 6/15/09 6/16/11