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  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 97,197
    smile6680 said:
    Weston1283 said:
    $149.50 for pavilion and $89.50 for lawn
    Sign me up for this.
    Me too!
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,205
    edited March 2023
    https://loudwire.com/the-cure-robert-smith-sickened-ticketmaster-fees/

    The Cure making most bands look bad. All this talk about how there’s nothing Pearl Jam , Bruce etc.. can do about platinum tickets…….

    "We had final say in our ticket pricing for this upcoming tour, and didn't want those prices instantly and horribly distorted by resale," Smith commented ahead of the ticket sale. He later noted, "We didn't agree to the dynamic pricing / price surging / platinum ticket thing, because it itself is a bit of a scam? A separate conversation."

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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    Bands should just do dutch auction style or some variation for all the good seats. This dynamic pricing is a loser. Just pisses everyone off and puts you under a microscope.
  • onemorshow
    onemorshow Posts: 635

  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,869
    edited March 2023
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://loudwire.com/the-cure-robert-smith-sickened-ticketmaster-fees/

    The Cure making most bands look bad. All this talk about how there’s nothing Pearl Jam , Bruce etc.. can do about platinum tickets…….

    "We had final say in our ticket pricing for this upcoming tour, and didn't want those prices instantly and horribly distorted by resale," Smith commented ahead of the ticket sale. He later noted, "We didn't agree to the dynamic pricing / price surging / platinum ticket thing, because it itself is a bit of a scam? A separate conversation."

    Yep. Smith and company just seeking to make a fair payday from touring rather than gouge their fans...what a novel idea. Garth Brooks last year same deal, all his tix were like $85.00 with about a $7.50 or so TM fee. No Platinum or PJ Premium or VIP or dynamic pricing.

    The artist absolutely has final say. Bruce fully admitted he went all in for the cash grab this time to Rolling Stone.
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  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,889
    pjl44 said:
    Bands should just do dutch auction style or some variation for all the good seats. This dynamic pricing is a loser. Just pisses everyone off and puts you under a microscope.
    I mean, that's not wrong.   Before platinum seating, promoters would sell blocks of tickets directly to scalpers (often some of the best seats) as a way to generate extra revenue.  When they did it like that the general public didn't know, and the bands didn't get the blame.

    Ticketmaster itself seems to function as a sacrificial lamb for bands.  Anyone has problems with tickets, prices, fees, just blame TM.  So now that's happening with platinum, as bands are now getting blamed for the ticketing, so they're trying to blame it on TM as they're a well paid scapegoat.

    In regards to the Cure. I'm not sure how much a fair comparison they are.  I don't think they're on the same level or popularity as bands that can sell out an arena or stadium consistently.   Thus the lower demand might take the pressure off, or remove the profitability of platinum tickets.

    I do think it's cool that the Cure will be the 2nd band (that I know of) to use the fan2fan ticket exchange (which is just TM's reselling platform restricted to face value).   If you're going to sell tickets below market prices, and you want to reduce scalping, you need to lock it down.

    I will be curious to see if PJ uses Platinum (ahem PJ Premium) again.   They sort of blamed it on the increased costs of running the tour in 2020 vs 2022.  IE they needed to raise additional revenues to cover increased touring costs, even though many of the tickets had been sold 2 years prior when it was cheaper to tour.    It'll be telling on the next tour whether they do it again.

    I guess I should stop ranting.  It's why I think not much would change of TM would break up, because why kind of bands don't want a bigger pay day, so how are you going to put the platinum genie back in the bottle.

    I just hope PJ has a few good tours left in them,   not looking forward to the day when it's no longer an option.
  • aisleseats
    aisleseats Posts: 1,628
    edited March 2023
    Zod said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bands should just do dutch auction style or some variation for all the good seats. This dynamic pricing is a loser. Just pisses everyone off and puts you under a microscope.
    I mean, that's not wrong.   Before platinum seating, promoters would sell blocks of tickets directly to scalpers (often some of the best seats) as a way to generate extra revenue.  When they did it like that the general public didn't know, and the bands didn't get the blame.

    Ticketmaster itself seems to function as a sacrificial lamb for bands.  Anyone has problems with tickets, prices, fees, just blame TM.  So now that's happening with platinum, as bands are now getting blamed for the ticketing, so they're trying to blame it on TM as they're a well paid scapegoat.

    In regards to the Cure. I'm not sure how much a fair comparison they are.  I don't think they're on the same level or popularity as bands that can sell out an arena or stadium consistently.   Thus the lower demand might take the pressure off, or remove the profitability of platinum tickets.

    I do think it's cool that the Cure will be the 2nd band (that I know of) to use the fan2fan ticket exchange (which is just TM's reselling platform restricted to face value).   If you're going to sell tickets below market prices, and you want to reduce scalping, you need to lock it down.

    I will be curious to see if PJ uses Platinum (ahem PJ Premium) again.   They sort of blamed it on the increased costs of running the tour in 2020 vs 2022.  IE they needed to raise additional revenues to cover increased touring costs, even though many of the tickets had been sold 2 years prior when it was cheaper to tour.    It'll be telling on the next tour whether they do it again.

    I guess I should stop ranting.  It's why I think not much would change of TM would break up, because why kind of bands don't want a bigger pay day, so how are you going to put the platinum genie back in the bottle.

    I just hope PJ has a few good tours left in them,   not looking forward to the day when it's no longer an option.
    A number of bands/artists have been using it over the past year or so. Although, not consistently for every show. I had to put my extra Billy Strings tickets for the Wiltern show on F2F last summer. And Foo Fighters are currently using it for a couple of their non-fest shows.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    Zod said:
    pjl44 said:
    Bands should just do dutch auction style or some variation for all the good seats. This dynamic pricing is a loser. Just pisses everyone off and puts you under a microscope.
    I mean, that's not wrong.   Before platinum seating, promoters would sell blocks of tickets directly to scalpers (often some of the best seats) as a way to generate extra revenue.  When they did it like that the general public didn't know, and the bands didn't get the blame.

    Ticketmaster itself seems to function as a sacrificial lamb for bands.  Anyone has problems with tickets, prices, fees, just blame TM.  So now that's happening with platinum, as bands are now getting blamed for the ticketing, so they're trying to blame it on TM as they're a well paid scapegoat.

    In regards to the Cure. I'm not sure how much a fair comparison they are.  I don't think they're on the same level or popularity as bands that can sell out an arena or stadium consistently.   Thus the lower demand might take the pressure off, or remove the profitability of platinum tickets.

    I do think it's cool that the Cure will be the 2nd band (that I know of) to use the fan2fan ticket exchange (which is just TM's reselling platform restricted to face value).   If you're going to sell tickets below market prices, and you want to reduce scalping, you need to lock it down.

    I will be curious to see if PJ uses Platinum (ahem PJ Premium) again.   They sort of blamed it on the increased costs of running the tour in 2020 vs 2022.  IE they needed to raise additional revenues to cover increased touring costs, even though many of the tickets had been sold 2 years prior when it was cheaper to tour.    It'll be telling on the next tour whether they do it again.

    I guess I should stop ranting.  It's why I think not much would change of TM would break up, because why kind of bands don't want a bigger pay day, so how are you going to put the platinum genie back in the bottle.

    I just hope PJ has a few good tours left in them,   not looking forward to the day when it's no longer an option.
    The platinum genie is a result of technology. It is so easy to resell that water just finds its level unless you lock things down hard like Ten Club tickets.

    All bands can realistically do is tour to demand - volume of shows, venue sizes, etc. And that's easy for me to say here on the couch but that's just kinda how it is. If you are, hypothetically, a band that is super popular, tours infrequently, and books short runs when you do tour....guess what that means for ticket prices. Hypothetically.
  • StardogChamp79
    StardogChamp79 Posts: 1,187
    They are not going to be cheap the rate thing’s are going!

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  • mrezooc
    mrezooc Posts: 233
    Metallica tickets were ridiculous. $600 for a single ticket in the nose bleeds in Montreal. Sold as a platinum. Hopefully PJ has more respect for their fans. $156 for Canada shows last time around was reasonable. Bruce Springsteen standard tickets were $325 for TO. I expect this is where we will see prices for a show in Canada I’d we get shows announced. 
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,889
    mrezooc said:
    Metallica tickets were ridiculous. $600 for a single ticket in the nose bleeds in Montreal. Sold as a platinum. Hopefully PJ has more respect for their fans. $156 for Canada shows last time around was reasonable. Bruce Springsteen standard tickets were $325 for TO. I expect this is where we will see prices for a show in Canada I’d we get shows announced. 

    I think the Metallica tickets were cheaper at face value... so comparing Metallica's nosebleed platinums to other bands face value prices isn't a fair comparison.  Right now a platinum nosebleed for Springsteen is $700 for Vancouver, but we paid $400 for much closer side stage tix.

    I suspect PJ tickets might be 175ish (just sub $200 each) for the next tour.   We paid $190 for pumpkins but it was 6th row on the floor.   You could of had much cheaper tickets further back.  I guess that's the other challenge with PJ.  They charge the same price for all tickets, so in a way the people in the nosebleeds or subsidizing the people at the front.
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,205



    I don’t want to hear that artists have no choice anymore when it comes to ticket prices, fees and participating in PLATINUM TICKETS. 
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,869
    God Bless Robert Smith.
    If only others would follow suit.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,541
    Poncier said:
    God Bless Robert Smith.
    If only others would follow suit.
    Yeah no doubt! All those other high end acts can go screw them selves, I don’t care how long your shows are this is not directed at PJ but Springsteen and all Others that follow suit how much money does someone like the boss needs to make at this point? He’s worth hundreds of millions.
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,869
    Some shenanigans going on with TM and the Cure.
    Face Value ticket exchange seats in Mansfield going for as much as $1,125.00 per seat.
    Seats that I know were face value of $60.00 and $90.00 going for 600-800 a seat.
    They have f'ed with the face value exchange and are charging their platinum prices on there.
    I assume Smith will go ballistic.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,869
    Poncier said:
    Some shenanigans going on with TM and the Cure.
    Face Value ticket exchange seats in Mansfield going for as much as $1,125.00 per seat.
    Seats that I know were face value of $60.00 and $90.00 going for 600-800 a seat.
    They have f'ed with the face value exchange and are charging their platinum prices on there.
    I assume Smith will go ballistic.
    And 10 minutes later they have all disappeared.
    Somebody got caught.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    Poncier said:
    Poncier said:
    Some shenanigans going on with TM and the Cure.
    Face Value ticket exchange seats in Mansfield going for as much as $1,125.00 per seat.
    Seats that I know were face value of $60.00 and $90.00 going for 600-800 a seat.
    They have f'ed with the face value exchange and are charging their platinum prices on there.
    I assume Smith will go ballistic.
    And 10 minutes later they have all disappeared.
    Somebody got caught.
    Incredibly shady. There are still people waiting to get paid for PJ Fan To Fan sales, too. 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,541
    Poncier said:
    Poncier said:
    Some shenanigans going on with TM and the Cure.
    Face Value ticket exchange seats in Mansfield going for as much as $1,125.00 per seat.
    Seats that I know were face value of $60.00 and $90.00 going for 600-800 a seat.
    They have f'ed with the face value exchange and are charging their platinum prices on there.
    I assume Smith will go ballistic.
    And 10 minutes later they have all disappeared.
    Somebody got caught.
    JimmyV said:
    Poncier said:
    Poncier said:
    Some shenanigans going on with TM and the Cure.
    Face Value ticket exchange seats in Mansfield going for as much as $1,125.00 per seat.
    Seats that I know were face value of $60.00 and $90.00 going for 600-800 a seat.
    They have f'ed with the face value exchange and are charging their platinum prices on there.
    I assume Smith will go ballistic.
    And 10 minutes later they have all disappeared.
    Somebody got caught.
    Incredibly shady. There are still people waiting to get paid for PJ Fan To Fan sales, too. 
    Fucking A they are scum I’m going to have hard time giving them my $$$$ for any tickets going forward! 
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  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 97,197
    Could the band next tour try to find venues to play at that are not run by Ticketmaster? Is it impossible these days? Local venus here are not run by Ticketmaster and their prices are pretty reasonable. 
  • aisleseats
    aisleseats Posts: 1,628
    demetrios said:
    Could the band next tour try to find venues to play at that are not run by Ticketmaster? Is it impossible these days? Local venus here are not run by Ticketmaster and their prices are pretty reasonable. 
    They tried that in the 90's. Didn't work out too well.
    Unfortunately, Ticketmaster/Live Nation have a stranglehold on most major concert venues in the country. Probably their next biggest competitor would be AXS. And they employ many of the same policies and strategies as TM/LN. There are a few others, like etix, ticketfly/eventbrite, etc. But they don't seem to have contracts with many venues that could host a PJ show (or most other major acts).

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