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Considering several other respiratory illnesses started in the wild, including the devastating SARS, which appeared in China in 2002, common sense is that covid COULD come from a lab, not that it did. You need actual evidence for a gov't or anyone in a position of authority to draw such a conclusion. Otherwise you are being irresponsible.23scidoo said:
Common sense..mrussel1 said:
That's circumstantial evidence, not empirical evidence. See that's the difference here. I have never weighed in on this one way or another because I have zero evidence or sources that examined actual empirical evidence. Jumping to the conclusion you jumped to is irresponsible for a gov't to do. It's fine for a bunch of yahoos on the internet, but not for a gov't. At this point, it may be right, and it still may be wrong. But what you and other did was simply guess. You had no actual knowledge.23scidoo said:
let's be a little serious..they said that the virus was born in a rural market in Juhan..coincidentally, there is also a laboratory nearby that studies viruses..mrussel1 said:
I don’t understand. Eight agencies have studied this, 4 have low confidence that it’s natural, 2 say it’s lab with low confidence, and 2 have not made a determination. Why do you believe the DOE and FBI over the other 4 agencies? What information do you have that proves the 2 are right and the 4 are wrong?AW124797 said:
The only victims here are YouTube scientists. Haha.Merkin Baller said:The victimhood is never ending.
coincidence??..
And for the record, the Wuhan market wasn't 'rural'. Wuhan has 8.5MM people. The market had over 1000 tenants. Athens has a metro population of less than 4MM. So unless you consider Athens a podunk outpost, Wuhan cannot be considered "rural".0 -
I think irresponsibility and (intentional or accidental) misreading of the facts are part of a troll's MO. 23 is right on brand.mrussel1 said:
Considering several other respiratory illnesses started in the wild, including the devastating SARS, which appeared in China in 2002, common sense is that covid COULD come from a lab, not that it did. You need actual evidence for a gov't or anyone in a position of authority to draw such a conclusion. Otherwise you are being irresponsible.23scidoo said:
Common sense..mrussel1 said:
That's circumstantial evidence, not empirical evidence. See that's the difference here. I have never weighed in on this one way or another because I have zero evidence or sources that examined actual empirical evidence. Jumping to the conclusion you jumped to is irresponsible for a gov't to do. It's fine for a bunch of yahoos on the internet, but not for a gov't. At this point, it may be right, and it still may be wrong. But what you and other did was simply guess. You had no actual knowledge.23scidoo said:
let's be a little serious..they said that the virus was born in a rural market in Juhan..coincidentally, there is also a laboratory nearby that studies viruses..mrussel1 said:
I don’t understand. Eight agencies have studied this, 4 have low confidence that it’s natural, 2 say it’s lab with low confidence, and 2 have not made a determination. Why do you believe the DOE and FBI over the other 4 agencies? What information do you have that proves the 2 are right and the 4 are wrong?AW124797 said:
The only victims here are YouTube scientists. Haha.Merkin Baller said:The victimhood is never ending.
coincidence??..
And for the record, the Wuhan market wasn't 'rural'. Wuhan has 8.5MM people. The market had over 1000 tenants. Athens has a metro population of less than 4MM. So unless you consider Athens a podunk outpost, Wuhan cannot be considered "rural".
The rest of us know the difference between a fact and a theory, and know the difference between a theory and a conspiracy (the body of evidence).'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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It's the most recent study, but who the fuck knows at this point and why do you care? I'm just amused how quickly they mocked it and labeled as conspiracy.mrussel1 said:
I don’t understand. Eight agencies have studied this, 4 have low confidence that it’s natural, 2 say it’s lab with low confidence, and 2 have not made a determination. Why do you believe the DOE and FBI over the other 4 agencies? What information do you have that proves the 2 are right and the 4 are wrong?AW124797 said:
The only victims here are YouTube scientists. Haha.Merkin Baller said:The victimhood is never ending.Post edited by AW124797 on0 -
How often you check these digits and is this your favorite covid porn?mickeyrat said:and still......this is an addional 1500 dead from yesterday's tally on thus site....
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By my calculations that's a 0.009998354395939 death rate or an over 99% survival rate. And, the cases number is most likely grossly underreported as the number of people who have had it that never tested as well as those who have tested but not reported it anywhere has to be large as well. To be fair, the deaths rate is most likely underreported as well (or over reported depending on who you ask), but even so based on the survival rate I wouldn't imagine it moving the needle at all. I have the vaccine and boosters including the most recent one, but I'm done with those and will take my chances from here on out.mickeyrat said:and still......this is an addional 1500 dead from yesterday's tally on thus site....1998-06-30 Mpls | 2006-07-06 Las Vegas
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You have no idea about me..ok??..don't talk about me again..otherwise i have to act as i think..benjs said:
I think irresponsibility and (intentional or accidental) misreading of the facts are part of a troll's MO. 23 is right on brand.mrussel1 said:
Considering several other respiratory illnesses started in the wild, including the devastating SARS, which appeared in China in 2002, common sense is that covid COULD come from a lab, not that it did. You need actual evidence for a gov't or anyone in a position of authority to draw such a conclusion. Otherwise you are being irresponsible.23scidoo said:
Common sense..mrussel1 said:
That's circumstantial evidence, not empirical evidence. See that's the difference here. I have never weighed in on this one way or another because I have zero evidence or sources that examined actual empirical evidence. Jumping to the conclusion you jumped to is irresponsible for a gov't to do. It's fine for a bunch of yahoos on the internet, but not for a gov't. At this point, it may be right, and it still may be wrong. But what you and other did was simply guess. You had no actual knowledge.23scidoo said:
let's be a little serious..they said that the virus was born in a rural market in Juhan..coincidentally, there is also a laboratory nearby that studies viruses..mrussel1 said:
I don’t understand. Eight agencies have studied this, 4 have low confidence that it’s natural, 2 say it’s lab with low confidence, and 2 have not made a determination. Why do you believe the DOE and FBI over the other 4 agencies? What information do you have that proves the 2 are right and the 4 are wrong?AW124797 said:
The only victims here are YouTube scientists. Haha.Merkin Baller said:The victimhood is never ending.
coincidence??..
And for the record, the Wuhan market wasn't 'rural'. Wuhan has 8.5MM people. The market had over 1000 tenants. Athens has a metro population of less than 4MM. So unless you consider Athens a podunk outpost, Wuhan cannot be considered "rural".
The rest of us know the difference between a fact and a theory, and know the difference between a theory and a conspiracy (the body of evidence).
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what are you going to do to him?23scidoo said:
You have no idea about me..ok??..don't talk about me again..otherwise i have to act as i think..benjs said:
I think irresponsibility and (intentional or accidental) misreading of the facts are part of a troll's MO. 23 is right on brand.mrussel1 said:
Considering several other respiratory illnesses started in the wild, including the devastating SARS, which appeared in China in 2002, common sense is that covid COULD come from a lab, not that it did. You need actual evidence for a gov't or anyone in a position of authority to draw such a conclusion. Otherwise you are being irresponsible.23scidoo said:
Common sense..mrussel1 said:
That's circumstantial evidence, not empirical evidence. See that's the difference here. I have never weighed in on this one way or another because I have zero evidence or sources that examined actual empirical evidence. Jumping to the conclusion you jumped to is irresponsible for a gov't to do. It's fine for a bunch of yahoos on the internet, but not for a gov't. At this point, it may be right, and it still may be wrong. But what you and other did was simply guess. You had no actual knowledge.23scidoo said:
let's be a little serious..they said that the virus was born in a rural market in Juhan..coincidentally, there is also a laboratory nearby that studies viruses..mrussel1 said:
I don’t understand. Eight agencies have studied this, 4 have low confidence that it’s natural, 2 say it’s lab with low confidence, and 2 have not made a determination. Why do you believe the DOE and FBI over the other 4 agencies? What information do you have that proves the 2 are right and the 4 are wrong?AW124797 said:
The only victims here are YouTube scientists. Haha.Merkin Baller said:The victimhood is never ending.
coincidence??..
And for the record, the Wuhan market wasn't 'rural'. Wuhan has 8.5MM people. The market had over 1000 tenants. Athens has a metro population of less than 4MM. So unless you consider Athens a podunk outpost, Wuhan cannot be considered "rural".
The rest of us know the difference between a fact and a theory, and know the difference between a theory and a conspiracy (the body of evidence).
last warning..thank you..0 -
You gonna ask him to meet you in the parking lot?23scidoo said:
You have no idea about me..ok??..don't talk about me again..otherwise i have to act as i think..benjs said:
I think irresponsibility and (intentional or accidental) misreading of the facts are part of a troll's MO. 23 is right on brand.mrussel1 said:
Considering several other respiratory illnesses started in the wild, including the devastating SARS, which appeared in China in 2002, common sense is that covid COULD come from a lab, not that it did. You need actual evidence for a gov't or anyone in a position of authority to draw such a conclusion. Otherwise you are being irresponsible.23scidoo said:
Common sense..mrussel1 said:
That's circumstantial evidence, not empirical evidence. See that's the difference here. I have never weighed in on this one way or another because I have zero evidence or sources that examined actual empirical evidence. Jumping to the conclusion you jumped to is irresponsible for a gov't to do. It's fine for a bunch of yahoos on the internet, but not for a gov't. At this point, it may be right, and it still may be wrong. But what you and other did was simply guess. You had no actual knowledge.23scidoo said:
let's be a little serious..they said that the virus was born in a rural market in Juhan..coincidentally, there is also a laboratory nearby that studies viruses..mrussel1 said:
I don’t understand. Eight agencies have studied this, 4 have low confidence that it’s natural, 2 say it’s lab with low confidence, and 2 have not made a determination. Why do you believe the DOE and FBI over the other 4 agencies? What information do you have that proves the 2 are right and the 4 are wrong?AW124797 said:
The only victims here are YouTube scientists. Haha.Merkin Baller said:The victimhood is never ending.
coincidence??..
And for the record, the Wuhan market wasn't 'rural'. Wuhan has 8.5MM people. The market had over 1000 tenants. Athens has a metro population of less than 4MM. So unless you consider Athens a podunk outpost, Wuhan cannot be considered "rural".
The rest of us know the difference between a fact and a theory, and know the difference between a theory and a conspiracy (the body of evidence).
last warning..thank you..
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May I ask what made you have this change of heart? That updated booster must've been very recent.jwhjr17 said:
By my calculations that's a 0.009998354395939 death rate or an over 99% survival rate. And, the cases number is most likely grossly underreported as the number of people who have had it that never tested as well as those who have tested but not reported it anywhere has to be large as well. To be fair, the deaths rate is most likely underreported as well (or over reported depending on who you ask), but even so based on the survival rate I wouldn't imagine it moving the needle at all. I have the vaccine and boosters including the most recent one, but I'm done with those and will take my chances from here on out.mickeyrat said:and still......this is an addional 1500 dead from yesterday's tally on thus site....0 -
Seems like he went off script. Good work, Woody.23scidoo said:0 -
So lets use excess deaths to eliminate that possibility? Remember when the anti-mandate people used to do that with Sweden? I wonder why they stopped?23scidoo said:
You get in on a hospital for A reason and you came up dead from covid..mickeyrat said:and still......this is an addional 1500 dead from yesterday's tally on thus site....
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Thinking pharmaceuticals bought up whatever and had the power to institute global mandates, of which were random place to place as far as requirements. I know I never needed the vaccine to “leave the house”, can be seen as the joke.AW124797 said:
Seems like he went off script. Good work, Woody.23scidoo said:0 -
I've received notice that I can get COVID booster #3 free in the next 6 weeks or so. I'm wondering who here I should ask about whether or not that is a good idea...
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I really admire Woody's acting, and I think he's done some really good things as an activist. So it saddens me to see him getting this one so wrong.23scidoo said:
In 2020, I don't remember being locked in my home. Some people were forced to isolate, but most of the world was not. In 2020, prior to the availability of any vaccines, I went to work, shopped in grocery stores, visited my mother, went out for walks, picked up food from restaurants. Was I trying to be cautious? Sure. Was I forced to shelter in place? Nope. Neither were people who went to bars, went to church, ate at restaurants, threw "covid parties" (wtf), and attended big family gatherings.
Fast forward, and we've had a vaccine available for over 2 years. Loads of people are unvaccinated.... by choice. I work in healthcare, and some of my coworkers are not vaccinated... by choice. They used to have to take a free test weekly to continue working. Now they don't even have to test. I remember a certain political party speculating that Joe Biden would force vaccines on all American citizens. POTUS has been in office for over 2 years, so his vaccine mandate plan must have an incredibly slow roll out.
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3days said:
I really admire Woody's acting, and I think he's done some really good things as an activist. So it saddens me to see him getting this one so wrong.23scidoo said:
In 2020, I don't remember being locked in my home. Some people were forced to isolate, but most of the world was not. In 2020, prior to the availability of any vaccines, I went to work, shopped in grocery stores, visited my mother, went out for walks, picked up food from restaurants. Was I trying to be cautious? Sure. Was I forced to shelter in place? Nope. Neither were people who went to bars, went to church, ate at restaurants, threw "covid parties" (wtf), and attended big family gatherings.
Fast forward, and we've had a vaccine available for over 2 years. Loads of people are unvaccinated.... by choice. I work in healthcare, and some of my coworkers are not vaccinated... by choice. They used to have to take a free test weekly to continue working. Now they don't even have to test. I remember a certain political party speculating that Joe Biden would force vaccines on all American citizens. POTUS has been in office for over 2 years, so his vaccine mandate plan must have an incredibly slow roll out.
My feeling about this is that if people (not you, 3days) are forming their opinions around something an actor says on a late night comedy show, that probably have much more serious problems brewing.
Woody is a funny guy and a fine actor, not a health care professional.
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One of my siblings is in film, and was one of two people filming Woody when he was in Toronto shooting something about a year ago. Apparently he was espousing this the entire time (whether anyone wanted to hear it or not), and wouldn't have any debate on the matter.3days said:
I really admire Woody's acting, and I think he's done some really good things as an activist. So it saddens me to see him getting this one so wrong.23scidoo said:
In 2020, I don't remember being locked in my home. Some people were forced to isolate, but most of the world was not. In 2020, prior to the availability of any vaccines, I went to work, shopped in grocery stores, visited my mother, went out for walks, picked up food from restaurants. Was I trying to be cautious? Sure. Was I forced to shelter in place? Nope. Neither were people who went to bars, went to church, ate at restaurants, threw "covid parties" (wtf), and attended big family gatherings.
Fast forward, and we've had a vaccine available for over 2 years. Loads of people are unvaccinated.... by choice. I work in healthcare, and some of my coworkers are not vaccinated... by choice. They used to have to take a free test weekly to continue working. Now they don't even have to test. I remember a certain political party speculating that Joe Biden would force vaccines on all American citizens. POTUS has been in office for over 2 years, so his vaccine mandate plan must have an incredibly slow roll out.
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You don't share your own opinion, you post based on content's controversy value, tell everyone they've been fooled in some cryptic way, then repeat the process, acting like you're somehow enlightened while the rest of us eat shit joyously all day - all the while adding nothing to the conversation. It's consistent, it's belittling, and it's tiresome - and wreaks of disingenuous debate (aka trolling).23scidoo said:
You have no idea about me..ok??..don't talk about me again..otherwise i have to act as i think..benjs said:
I think irresponsibility and (intentional or accidental) misreading of the facts are part of a troll's MO. 23 is right on brand.mrussel1 said:
Considering several other respiratory illnesses started in the wild, including the devastating SARS, which appeared in China in 2002, common sense is that covid COULD come from a lab, not that it did. You need actual evidence for a gov't or anyone in a position of authority to draw such a conclusion. Otherwise you are being irresponsible.23scidoo said:
Common sense..mrussel1 said:
That's circumstantial evidence, not empirical evidence. See that's the difference here. I have never weighed in on this one way or another because I have zero evidence or sources that examined actual empirical evidence. Jumping to the conclusion you jumped to is irresponsible for a gov't to do. It's fine for a bunch of yahoos on the internet, but not for a gov't. At this point, it may be right, and it still may be wrong. But what you and other did was simply guess. You had no actual knowledge.23scidoo said:
let's be a little serious..they said that the virus was born in a rural market in Juhan..coincidentally, there is also a laboratory nearby that studies viruses..mrussel1 said:
I don’t understand. Eight agencies have studied this, 4 have low confidence that it’s natural, 2 say it’s lab with low confidence, and 2 have not made a determination. Why do you believe the DOE and FBI over the other 4 agencies? What information do you have that proves the 2 are right and the 4 are wrong?AW124797 said:
The only victims here are YouTube scientists. Haha.Merkin Baller said:The victimhood is never ending.
coincidence??..
And for the record, the Wuhan market wasn't 'rural'. Wuhan has 8.5MM people. The market had over 1000 tenants. Athens has a metro population of less than 4MM. So unless you consider Athens a podunk outpost, Wuhan cannot be considered "rural".
The rest of us know the difference between a fact and a theory, and know the difference between a theory and a conspiracy (the body of evidence).
last warning..thank you..
If you're here to engage genuinely, would you care to respond to mrussel's argument (argument = a theory presented with supporting evidence)? Or can we just assume you know he's right?
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Got the updated booster towards the end of December. I've never gotten a flu shot, and that's where the shot is headed as a best guess of what will protect you at the time. Between having vaccines and boosters for it, and actually having Covid I'm good with my chances going forward. But, I respect the decision of anyone who continues to get boosters based on their particular situation.AW124797 said:
May I ask what made you have this change of heart? That updated booster must've been very recent.jwhjr17 said:
By my calculations that's a 0.009998354395939 death rate or an over 99% survival rate. And, the cases number is most likely grossly underreported as the number of people who have had it that never tested as well as those who have tested but not reported it anywhere has to be large as well. To be fair, the deaths rate is most likely underreported as well (or over reported depending on who you ask), but even so based on the survival rate I wouldn't imagine it moving the needle at all. I have the vaccine and boosters including the most recent one, but I'm done with those and will take my chances from here on out.mickeyrat said:and still......this is an addional 1500 dead from yesterday's tally on thus site....Post edited by jwhjr17 on1998-06-30 Mpls | 2006-07-06 Las Vegas
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my mother's ex-husband was admitted to the hospital with a respiratory problem and came out dead from covid..another question??Go Beavers said:
So lets use excess deaths to eliminate that possibility? Remember when the anti-mandate people used to do that with Sweden? I wonder why they stopped?23scidoo said:
You get in on a hospital for A reason and you came up dead from covid..mickeyrat said:and still......this is an addional 1500 dead from yesterday's tally on thus site....
i have seen this movie..it wasn't good one..
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