Viruses / Vaccines 2

mrussel1

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

Merkin Baller said:

The victimhood is never ending. 

The only victims here are YouTube scientists. Haha. 

I don’t understand.  Eight agencies have studied this,  4 have low confidence that it’s natural, 2 say it’s lab with low confidence,  and 2 have not made a determination.  Why do you believe the DOE and FBI over the other 4 agencies?  What information do you have that proves the 2 are right and the 4 are wrong?

let's be a little serious..they said that the virus was born in a rural market in Juhan..coincidentally, there is also a laboratory nearby that studies viruses..
coincidence??..

That's circumstantial evidence, not empirical evidence.  See that's the difference here.  I have never weighed in on this one way or another because I have zero evidence or sources that examined actual empirical evidence.  Jumping to the conclusion you jumped to is irresponsible for a gov't to do.  It's fine for a bunch of yahoos on the internet, but not for a gov't.  At this point, it may be right, and it still may be wrong.  But what you and other did was simply guess.  You had no actual knowledge.  

And for the record, the Wuhan market wasn't 'rural'. Wuhan has 8.5MM people.  The market had over 1000 tenants.  Athens has a metro population of less than 4MM.  So unless you consider Athens a podunk outpost, Wuhan cannot be considered "rural".  

Common sense..

Considering several other respiratory illnesses started in the wild, including the devastating SARS, which appeared in China in 2002, common sense is that covid COULD come from a lab, not that it did.  You need actual evidence for a gov't or anyone in a position of authority to draw such a conclusion.  Otherwise you are being irresponsible.  

benjs

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

Merkin Baller said:

The victimhood is never ending. 

The only victims here are YouTube scientists. Haha. 

I don’t understand.  Eight agencies have studied this,  4 have low confidence that it’s natural, 2 say it’s lab with low confidence,  and 2 have not made a determination.  Why do you believe the DOE and FBI over the other 4 agencies?  What information do you have that proves the 2 are right and the 4 are wrong?

let's be a little serious..they said that the virus was born in a rural market in Juhan..coincidentally, there is also a laboratory nearby that studies viruses..
coincidence??..

That's circumstantial evidence, not empirical evidence.  See that's the difference here.  I have never weighed in on this one way or another because I have zero evidence or sources that examined actual empirical evidence.  Jumping to the conclusion you jumped to is irresponsible for a gov't to do.  It's fine for a bunch of yahoos on the internet, but not for a gov't.  At this point, it may be right, and it still may be wrong.  But what you and other did was simply guess.  You had no actual knowledge.  

And for the record, the Wuhan market wasn't 'rural'. Wuhan has 8.5MM people.  The market had over 1000 tenants.  Athens has a metro population of less than 4MM.  So unless you consider Athens a podunk outpost, Wuhan cannot be considered "rural".  

Common sense..

Considering several other respiratory illnesses started in the wild, including the devastating SARS, which appeared in China in 2002, common sense is that covid COULD come from a lab, not that it did.  You need actual evidence for a gov't or anyone in a position of authority to draw such a conclusion.  Otherwise you are being irresponsible.  

I think irresponsibility and (intentional or accidental) misreading of the facts are part of a troll's MO. 23 is right on brand.

The rest of us know the difference between a fact and a theory, and know the difference between a theory and a conspiracy (the body of evidence).

AW124797

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

Merkin Baller said:

The victimhood is never ending. 

The only victims here are YouTube scientists. Haha. 

I don’t understand.  Eight agencies have studied this,  4 have low confidence that it’s natural, 2 say it’s lab with low confidence,  and 2 have not made a determination.  Why do you believe the DOE and FBI over the other 4 agencies?  What information do you have that proves the 2 are right and the 4 are wrong?

It's the most recent study, but who the fuck knows at this point and why do you care? I'm just amused how quickly they mocked it and labeled as conspiracy. 

AW124797

mickeyrat said:

and still......

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

this is an addional 1500 dead from yesterday's tally on thus site....

How often you check these digits and is this your favorite covid porn? 

jwhjr17

mickeyrat said:

and still......

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

this is an addional 1500 dead from yesterday's tally on thus site....

By my calculations that's a 0.009998354395939 death rate or an over 99% survival rate.  And, the cases number is most likely grossly underreported as the number of people who have had it that never tested as well as those who have tested but not reported it anywhere has to be large as well. To be fair, the deaths rate is most likely underreported as well (or over reported depending on who you ask), but even so based on the survival rate I wouldn't imagine it moving the needle at all.  I have the vaccine and boosters including the most recent one, but I'm done with those and will take my chances from here on out.

23scidoo

benjs said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

Merkin Baller said:

The victimhood is never ending. 

The only victims here are YouTube scientists. Haha. 

I don’t understand.  Eight agencies have studied this,  4 have low confidence that it’s natural, 2 say it’s lab with low confidence,  and 2 have not made a determination.  Why do you believe the DOE and FBI over the other 4 agencies?  What information do you have that proves the 2 are right and the 4 are wrong?

let's be a little serious..they said that the virus was born in a rural market in Juhan..coincidentally, there is also a laboratory nearby that studies viruses..
coincidence??..

That's circumstantial evidence, not empirical evidence.  See that's the difference here.  I have never weighed in on this one way or another because I have zero evidence or sources that examined actual empirical evidence.  Jumping to the conclusion you jumped to is irresponsible for a gov't to do.  It's fine for a bunch of yahoos on the internet, but not for a gov't.  At this point, it may be right, and it still may be wrong.  But what you and other did was simply guess.  You had no actual knowledge.  

And for the record, the Wuhan market wasn't 'rural'. Wuhan has 8.5MM people.  The market had over 1000 tenants.  Athens has a metro population of less than 4MM.  So unless you consider Athens a podunk outpost, Wuhan cannot be considered "rural".  

Common sense..

Considering several other respiratory illnesses started in the wild, including the devastating SARS, which appeared in China in 2002, common sense is that covid COULD come from a lab, not that it did.  You need actual evidence for a gov't or anyone in a position of authority to draw such a conclusion.  Otherwise you are being irresponsible.  

I think irresponsibility and (intentional or accidental) misreading of the facts are part of a troll's MO. 23 is right on brand.

The rest of us know the difference between a fact and a theory, and know the difference between a theory and a conspiracy (the body of evidence).

You have no idea about me..ok??..don't talk about me again..otherwise i have to act as i think..
last warning..thank you..

mrussel1

23scidoo said:

benjs said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

Merkin Baller said:

The victimhood is never ending. 

The only victims here are YouTube scientists. Haha. 

I don’t understand.  Eight agencies have studied this,  4 have low confidence that it’s natural, 2 say it’s lab with low confidence,  and 2 have not made a determination.  Why do you believe the DOE and FBI over the other 4 agencies?  What information do you have that proves the 2 are right and the 4 are wrong?

let's be a little serious..they said that the virus was born in a rural market in Juhan..coincidentally, there is also a laboratory nearby that studies viruses..
coincidence??..

That's circumstantial evidence, not empirical evidence.  See that's the difference here.  I have never weighed in on this one way or another because I have zero evidence or sources that examined actual empirical evidence.  Jumping to the conclusion you jumped to is irresponsible for a gov't to do.  It's fine for a bunch of yahoos on the internet, but not for a gov't.  At this point, it may be right, and it still may be wrong.  But what you and other did was simply guess.  You had no actual knowledge.  

And for the record, the Wuhan market wasn't 'rural'. Wuhan has 8.5MM people.  The market had over 1000 tenants.  Athens has a metro population of less than 4MM.  So unless you consider Athens a podunk outpost, Wuhan cannot be considered "rural".  

Common sense..

Considering several other respiratory illnesses started in the wild, including the devastating SARS, which appeared in China in 2002, common sense is that covid COULD come from a lab, not that it did.  You need actual evidence for a gov't or anyone in a position of authority to draw such a conclusion.  Otherwise you are being irresponsible.  

I think irresponsibility and (intentional or accidental) misreading of the facts are part of a troll's MO. 23 is right on brand.

The rest of us know the difference between a fact and a theory, and know the difference between a theory and a conspiracy (the body of evidence).

You have no idea about me..ok??..don't talk about me again..otherwise i have to act as i think..
last warning..thank you..

what are you going to do to him?

Gern Blansten

23scidoo said:

benjs said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

Merkin Baller said:

The victimhood is never ending. 

The only victims here are YouTube scientists. Haha. 

I don’t understand.  Eight agencies have studied this,  4 have low confidence that it’s natural, 2 say it’s lab with low confidence,  and 2 have not made a determination.  Why do you believe the DOE and FBI over the other 4 agencies?  What information do you have that proves the 2 are right and the 4 are wrong?

let's be a little serious..they said that the virus was born in a rural market in Juhan..coincidentally, there is also a laboratory nearby that studies viruses..
coincidence??..

That's circumstantial evidence, not empirical evidence.  See that's the difference here.  I have never weighed in on this one way or another because I have zero evidence or sources that examined actual empirical evidence.  Jumping to the conclusion you jumped to is irresponsible for a gov't to do.  It's fine for a bunch of yahoos on the internet, but not for a gov't.  At this point, it may be right, and it still may be wrong.  But what you and other did was simply guess.  You had no actual knowledge.  

And for the record, the Wuhan market wasn't 'rural'. Wuhan has 8.5MM people.  The market had over 1000 tenants.  Athens has a metro population of less than 4MM.  So unless you consider Athens a podunk outpost, Wuhan cannot be considered "rural".  

Common sense..

Considering several other respiratory illnesses started in the wild, including the devastating SARS, which appeared in China in 2002, common sense is that covid COULD come from a lab, not that it did.  You need actual evidence for a gov't or anyone in a position of authority to draw such a conclusion.  Otherwise you are being irresponsible.  

I think irresponsibility and (intentional or accidental) misreading of the facts are part of a troll's MO. 23 is right on brand.

The rest of us know the difference between a fact and a theory, and know the difference between a theory and a conspiracy (the body of evidence).

You have no idea about me..ok??..don't talk about me again..otherwise i have to act as i think..
last warning..thank you..

You gonna ask him to meet you in the parking lot?

Merkin Baller

Gold, Jerry! Gold!

AW124797

jwhjr17 said:

mickeyrat said:

and still......

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

this is an addional 1500 dead from yesterday's tally on thus site....

By my calculations that's a 0.009998354395939 death rate or an over 99% survival rate.  And, the cases number is most likely grossly underreported as the number of people who have had it that never tested as well as those who have tested but not reported it anywhere has to be large as well. To be fair, the deaths rate is most likely underreported as well (or over reported depending on who you ask), but even so based on the survival rate I wouldn't imagine it moving the needle at all.  I have the vaccine and boosters including the most recent one, but I'm done with those and will take my chances from here on out.

May I ask what made you have this change of heart? That updated booster must've been very recent. 

AW124797

23scidoo said:

Come on Woody..

https://twitter.com/i/status/1629825197111951360

Seems like he went off script. Good work, Woody. 

Go Beavers

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

and still......

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

this is an addional 1500 dead from yesterday's tally on thus site....

You get in on a hospital for A reason and you came up dead from covid..
i have seen this movie..it wasn't good one..

So lets use excess deaths to eliminate that possibility? Remember when the anti-mandate people used to do that with Sweden? I wonder why they stopped? 

Go Beavers

AW124797 said:

23scidoo said:

Come on Woody..

https://twitter.com/i/status/1629825197111951360

Seems like he went off script. Good work, Woody. 

Thinking pharmaceuticals bought up whatever and had the power to institute global mandates, of which were random place to place as far as requirements. I know I never needed the vaccine to “leave the house”, can be seen as the joke. 

brianlux

I've received notice that I can get COVID booster #3 free in the next 6 weeks or so.  I'm wondering who here I should ask about whether or not that is a good idea...

3days

23scidoo said:

Come on Woody..

https://twitter.com/i/status/1629825197111951360

I really admire Woody's acting, and I think he's done some really good things as an activist. So it saddens me to see him getting this one so wrong. 

In 2020, I don't remember being locked in my home. Some people were forced to isolate, but most of the world was not. In 2020, prior to the availability of any vaccines, I went to work, shopped in grocery stores, visited my mother, went out for walks, picked up food from restaurants. Was I trying to be cautious? Sure. Was I forced to shelter in place? Nope. Neither were people who went to bars, went to church, ate at restaurants, threw "covid parties" (wtf), and attended big family gatherings. 

Fast forward, and we've had a vaccine available for over 2 years. Loads of people are unvaccinated.... by choice. I work in healthcare, and some of my coworkers are not vaccinated... by choice. They used to have to take a free test weekly to continue working. Now they don't even have to test. I remember a certain political party speculating that Joe Biden would force vaccines on all American citizens. POTUS has been in office for over 2 years, so his vaccine mandate plan must have an incredibly slow roll out. 

brianlux

3days said:

23scidoo said:

Come on Woody..

https://twitter.com/i/status/1629825197111951360

I really admire Woody's acting, and I think he's done some really good things as an activist. So it saddens me to see him getting this one so wrong. 

In 2020, I don't remember being locked in my home. Some people were forced to isolate, but most of the world was not. In 2020, prior to the availability of any vaccines, I went to work, shopped in grocery stores, visited my mother, went out for walks, picked up food from restaurants. Was I trying to be cautious? Sure. Was I forced to shelter in place? Nope. Neither were people who went to bars, went to church, ate at restaurants, threw "covid parties" (wtf), and attended big family gatherings. 

Fast forward, and we've had a vaccine available for over 2 years. Loads of people are unvaccinated.... by choice. I work in healthcare, and some of my coworkers are not vaccinated... by choice. They used to have to take a free test weekly to continue working. Now they don't even have to test. I remember a certain political party speculating that Joe Biden would force vaccines on all American citizens. POTUS has been in office for over 2 years, so his vaccine mandate plan must have an incredibly slow roll out. 

My feeling about this is that if people (not you, 3days) are forming their opinions around something an actor says on a late night comedy show, that probably have much more serious problems brewing. 
Woody is a funny guy and a fine actor, not a health care professional.

benjs

3days said:

23scidoo said:

Come on Woody..

https://twitter.com/i/status/1629825197111951360

I really admire Woody's acting, and I think he's done some really good things as an activist. So it saddens me to see him getting this one so wrong. 

In 2020, I don't remember being locked in my home. Some people were forced to isolate, but most of the world was not. In 2020, prior to the availability of any vaccines, I went to work, shopped in grocery stores, visited my mother, went out for walks, picked up food from restaurants. Was I trying to be cautious? Sure. Was I forced to shelter in place? Nope. Neither were people who went to bars, went to church, ate at restaurants, threw "covid parties" (wtf), and attended big family gatherings. 

Fast forward, and we've had a vaccine available for over 2 years. Loads of people are unvaccinated.... by choice. I work in healthcare, and some of my coworkers are not vaccinated... by choice. They used to have to take a free test weekly to continue working. Now they don't even have to test. I remember a certain political party speculating that Joe Biden would force vaccines on all American citizens. POTUS has been in office for over 2 years, so his vaccine mandate plan must have an incredibly slow roll out. 

One of my siblings is in film, and was one of two people filming Woody when he was in Toronto shooting something about a year ago. Apparently he was espousing this the entire time (whether anyone wanted to hear it or not), and wouldn't have any debate on the matter.

Great actor. Not a health care practitioner.

benjs

23scidoo said:

benjs said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

Merkin Baller said:

The victimhood is never ending. 

The only victims here are YouTube scientists. Haha. 

I don’t understand.  Eight agencies have studied this,  4 have low confidence that it’s natural, 2 say it’s lab with low confidence,  and 2 have not made a determination.  Why do you believe the DOE and FBI over the other 4 agencies?  What information do you have that proves the 2 are right and the 4 are wrong?

let's be a little serious..they said that the virus was born in a rural market in Juhan..coincidentally, there is also a laboratory nearby that studies viruses..
coincidence??..

That's circumstantial evidence, not empirical evidence.  See that's the difference here.  I have never weighed in on this one way or another because I have zero evidence or sources that examined actual empirical evidence.  Jumping to the conclusion you jumped to is irresponsible for a gov't to do.  It's fine for a bunch of yahoos on the internet, but not for a gov't.  At this point, it may be right, and it still may be wrong.  But what you and other did was simply guess.  You had no actual knowledge.  

And for the record, the Wuhan market wasn't 'rural'. Wuhan has 8.5MM people.  The market had over 1000 tenants.  Athens has a metro population of less than 4MM.  So unless you consider Athens a podunk outpost, Wuhan cannot be considered "rural".  

Common sense..

Considering several other respiratory illnesses started in the wild, including the devastating SARS, which appeared in China in 2002, common sense is that covid COULD come from a lab, not that it did.  You need actual evidence for a gov't or anyone in a position of authority to draw such a conclusion.  Otherwise you are being irresponsible.  

I think irresponsibility and (intentional or accidental) misreading of the facts are part of a troll's MO. 23 is right on brand.

The rest of us know the difference between a fact and a theory, and know the difference between a theory and a conspiracy (the body of evidence).

You have no idea about me..ok??..don't talk about me again..otherwise i have to act as i think..
last warning..thank you..

You don't share your own opinion, you post based on content's controversy value, tell everyone they've been fooled in some cryptic way, then repeat the process, acting like you're somehow enlightened while the rest of us eat shit joyously all day - all the while adding nothing to the conversation. It's consistent, it's belittling, and it's tiresome - and wreaks of disingenuous debate (aka trolling).

If you're here to engage genuinely, would you care to respond to mrussel's argument (argument = a theory presented with supporting evidence)? Or can we just assume you know he's right?

jwhjr17

AW124797 said:

jwhjr17 said:

mickeyrat said:

and still......

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

this is an addional 1500 dead from yesterday's tally on thus site....

By my calculations that's a 0.009998354395939 death rate or an over 99% survival rate.  And, the cases number is most likely grossly underreported as the number of people who have had it that never tested as well as those who have tested but not reported it anywhere has to be large as well. To be fair, the deaths rate is most likely underreported as well (or over reported depending on who you ask), but even so based on the survival rate I wouldn't imagine it moving the needle at all.  I have the vaccine and boosters including the most recent one, but I'm done with those and will take my chances from here on out.

May I ask what made you have this change of heart? That updated booster must've been very recent. 

Got the updated booster towards the end of December. I've never gotten a flu shot, and that's where the shot is headed as a best guess of what will protect you at the time.  Between having vaccines and boosters for it, and actually having Covid I'm good with my chances going forward.  But, I respect the decision of anyone who continues to get boosters based on their particular situation.

23scidoo

Go Beavers said:

23scidoo said:

mickeyrat said:

and still......

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

this is an addional 1500 dead from yesterday's tally on thus site....

You get in on a hospital for A reason and you came up dead from covid..
i have seen this movie..it wasn't good one..

So lets use excess deaths to eliminate that possibility? Remember when the anti-mandate people used to do that with Sweden? I wonder why they stopped? 

my mother's ex-husband was admitted to the hospital with a respiratory problem and came out dead from covid..another question??