#46 President Joe Biden
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Just impeach the old dude already!jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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josevolution said:Just impeach the old dude already!0
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I’m not obsessed with politics so can someone tell me if this issue of classified documents happens often? It’s pretty incredible that it happened to back to back presidents no?0
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nicknyr15 said:I’m not obsessed with politics so can someone tell me if this issue of classified documents happens often? It’s pretty incredible that it happened to back to back presidents no?deliberate retention? I'd say no.Inadvertant? anyone with clearances, but particularly elected officials. all the tine.what we dont know yet is what level of classification and the age of at least some of the ones Biden had.Post edited by mickeyrat on_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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yeah just impeach him and get it overwith. it will only steel the resolve of the democrats so there will be a blue wave in 2024."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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The way I see it is that Biden’s team didn’t jump on this issue as soon as the Trumpolinni mess was brought to light if that’s true? It’s absolutely idiotic at bestjesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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nicknyr15 said:I’m not obsessed with politics so can someone tell me if this issue of classified documents happens often? It’s pretty incredible that it happened to back to back presidents no?
I'd be willing to bet it does but the media holds off on these things waiting for slow news days. But that, of course, is what they call a "wilded ass guess"!
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nicknyr15 said:I’m not obsessed with politics so can someone tell me if this issue of classified documents happens often? It’s pretty incredible that it happened to back to back presidents no?
I don't think it is out of the question to find certain (not top secret docs that can only be viewed in a SCIF, or Dept of Defense docs, etc.) classified docs in boxes of information that a former Senator, VP, Cabinet Member, POTUS, might have in their office or possession. It's not like random people will get anywhere near Biden's house or Mar-A-Lago (although more likely there since it is a club) so some of this is dramatized.
This weekend I was watching MTP or something and they referred to "a half a dozen classified documents were found at Biden's residence" and my first thought was it is fucking SIX documents. The media hypes this stuff whether it is left or right.
The questions will be:
1. What was the level of classification?
2. Is the information still classified?
3. Depending on the level of classification, how could the documents be carried away?
And then we need to remember that tRump's team basically refused to admit they had any documents which led to the FBI extracting over 300 documents.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Gern Blansten said:nicknyr15 said:I’m not obsessed with politics so can someone tell me if this issue of classified documents happens often? It’s pretty incredible that it happened to back to back presidents no?
I don't think it is out of the question to find certain (not top secret docs that can only be viewed in a SCIF, or Dept of Defense docs, etc.) classified docs in boxes of information that a former Senator, VP, Cabinet Member, POTUS, might have in their office or possession. It's not like random people will get anywhere near Biden's house or Mar-A-Lago (although more likely there since it is a club) so some of this is dramatized.
This weekend I was watching MTP or something and they referred to "a half a dozen classified documents were found at Biden's residence" and my first thought was it is fucking SIX documents. The media hypes this stuff whether it is left or right.
The questions will be:
1. What was the level of classification?
2. Is the information still classified?
3. Depending on the level of classification, how could the documents be carried away?
And then we need to remember that tRump's team basically refused to admit they had any documents which led to the FBI extracting over 300 documents.
On the topic of the 'six documents', it was six additional documents over the last batch, and since these security clearances exist for a reason, regardless of the count, all breaches should be investigated.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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benjs said:Gern Blansten said:nicknyr15 said:I’m not obsessed with politics so can someone tell me if this issue of classified documents happens often? It’s pretty incredible that it happened to back to back presidents no?
I don't think it is out of the question to find certain (not top secret docs that can only be viewed in a SCIF, or Dept of Defense docs, etc.) classified docs in boxes of information that a former Senator, VP, Cabinet Member, POTUS, might have in their office or possession. It's not like random people will get anywhere near Biden's house or Mar-A-Lago (although more likely there since it is a club) so some of this is dramatized.
This weekend I was watching MTP or something and they referred to "a half a dozen classified documents were found at Biden's residence" and my first thought was it is fucking SIX documents. The media hypes this stuff whether it is left or right.
The questions will be:
1. What was the level of classification?
2. Is the information still classified?
3. Depending on the level of classification, how could the documents be carried away?
And then we need to remember that tRump's team basically refused to admit they had any documents which led to the FBI extracting over 300 documents.
On the topic of the 'six documents', it was six additional documents over the last batch, and since these security clearances exist for a reason, regardless of the count, all breaches should be investigated.
yes six additional...not sure what the total is for sure
I do think intent is important though once we find out whether the docs are even still considered classified.
I think all of this is fair but to be truly fair they would need to search all of Obama's offices, Bush's offices, etc. Why stop with Biden/Trump?Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Joe Biden United States government U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation U.S. Department of Justice Donald Trump DelawareLegal, political strategy in letting FBI search Biden's homeBy ZEKE MILLER, ERIC TUCKER and COLLEEN LONG40 mins ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden’s decision allowing the FBI to search his home in Delaware last week is laying him open to fresh negative attention and embarrassment following the earlier discoveries of classified documents at that home and a former office. But it’s a legal and political calculation that aides hope will pay off in the long run as he prepares to seek reelection.
The remarkable, nearly 13-hour search by FBI agents of the sitting president's Wilmington home is the latest political black eye for Biden, who promised to restore propriety to the office after the tumultuous tenure of his predecessor, Donald Trump.
But with his actions, Biden is doing more than simply complying with federal investigators assigned to look into the discovery of the records. The president is aiming to show that, unlike Trump, he never intended to retain classified materials — a key distinction that experts say diminishes the risks of criminal liability.
White House spokesman Ian Sams said Monday that Biden’s own attorneys invited the FBI to conduct the search. “This was a voluntary proactive offer by the president’s personal lawyers to DOJ to have access to the home,” he said, adding that it reflected “how seriously” Biden is taking the issue.
Mary McCord, a former senior Justice Department national security official, said, “If I was a lawyer and I represented the president of the United States and I wanted to show, ’I am being fully cooperative, and I do care to be projecting transparency to the American public, and I do take this seriously,' I think this is the advice I would give as well.”
That's not to say she approves of his handling of the documents.
“I think it’s wrong that he had those documents there," she said. "It shows lapses at the end of the administration,” when Biden was completing his time as vice president under Barack Obama.
Biden's personal attorneys first discovered classified materials on Nov. 2, a week before the midterm elections, as they were clearing out an office Biden had used at the Penn Biden Center in Washington. Since that initial discovery, Biden's team has adopted an accommodating approach to the investigation, even if they haven't been completely transparent in public.
They didn't acknowledge the first discovery before the elections, though they swiftly notified the National Archives, returned the documents the day after they were found and coordinated subsequent searches and discoveries with the Department of Justice.
They also are not standing in the way of interviews of staff, including Kathy Chung, Biden's executive assistant when he was vice president, who helped oversee the packing of boxes that were taken to the Penn Biden Center.
She feels some responsibility but had “absolutely” no knowledge of classified documents being packed, according to a person familiar with her thinking. The person spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Biden himself has said he was surprised the documents were in his possession. Last Thursday, frustrated at all the focus, he told reporters: “There's no there there.”
It all fits a theme: Biden and his aides maintain the document mishandling was not intentional. As far as Biden's possible legal exposure goes, the question of intention is critical: Federal law does not allow anyone to store classified documents in an unauthorized location, but it's only a prosecutable crime when someone is found to have “knowingly" removed the documents from a proper place.
Still, welcoming the FBI search could backfire depending on what else might be found. Agents last week took possession of an additional round of items with classified markings, and some of Biden's handwritten notes and materials from his tenure as vice president and senator.
That's in addition to the documents already turned in by Biden's lawyers. Agents could also choose to search the Penn Biden Center and Biden's other home in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, as the probe continues. Sams declined to say whether Biden would sign off on additional searches, referring the matter to the DOJ — which has asked the White House not to publicize searches in advance.
Criticism of Biden's handling of the matter has come from Democrats as well as Republicans. Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said the president should be “embarrassed by the situation.”
“I think he should have a lot of regrets,” added Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va. Even Biden’s own attorneys have called it a “mistake.”
Republicans, meanwhile, have sought to use their new-found powers in the House, where they regained the majority this month, to investigate Biden’s handling of the documents and hope to capitalize on the investigation.
“It is troubling that classified documents have been improperly stored at the home of President Biden for at least six years, raising questions about who may have reviewed or had access to classified information,” House Oversight Chairman James Comer, R-Tenn., wrote in asking for visitor logs to Biden's residence.
Responding to Comer's requests for copies of the documents taken from Biden's home, the White House counsel's office on Monday said it no longer had possession of them. It said the White House would “accommodate legitimate oversight interests,” while also “respecting the separation of powers and the constitutional and statutory obligations of the executive branch generally and the White House in particular.”
Trump and some of his supporters have been outspoken, claiming Biden is guilty of worse mishandling of classified documents than the Democrats sanctimoniously accuse Trump of being. The former president is sure to press that accusation vigorously as he campaigns to regain the White House.
The investigation of Trump also centers on classified documents that ended up at a home. In that case, though, the Justice Department issued a subpoena for the return of documents that Trump had refused to give back, then obtained a warrant and seized more than 100 documents during a dramatic August search of his Florida estate, Mar-a-Lago. Federal agents are investigating potential violations of three federal laws, including one that governs gathering, transmitting or losing defense information under the Espionage Act.
In 2016, when the FBI recommended against criminal charges for Hillary Clinton over classified emails she sent and received via a private server when she was secretary of state, then-FBI Director James Comey said the Justice Department —in choosing which cases to bring over the past century — has looked for evidence of criminal intent, indications of disloyalty to the U.S., retention of vast quantities of classified documents or any effort to obstruct justice.
It's not clear whether agents in the Biden investigation have progressed beyond the question of intent. The White House has not answered key questions, including how classified information from his time as vice president could have ended up inside his Delaware home. But Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed a special counsel to head the probe given the sensitive politics around it.
Garland declared on Monday, in answer to a question: “We do not have different rules for Democrats or Republicans. ... We apply the facts under the law in each case in a neutral and nonpartisan manner. That is what we always do and that is what we are doing in the matters you are referring to."
One key test of the limits of Biden’s strategy revolves around the question of whether the president will agree to an interview with federal investigators if he is asked. White House officials thus far have refused to say whether or under what terms he would do so.
There could also be consequences outside of criminal prosecution for any staffer found to have mishandled classified documents, including ramifications on security clearances necessary for national security work.
Meanwhile, Biden and his staff are trying to refocus the media and public back on his agenda. White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre has said she will not answer questions on the investigation during her daily briefings, instead referring most queries to the Justice Department, White House lawyers or Biden's personal attorneys.
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Gern Blansten said:benjs said:Gern Blansten said:nicknyr15 said:I’m not obsessed with politics so can someone tell me if this issue of classified documents happens often? It’s pretty incredible that it happened to back to back presidents no?
I don't think it is out of the question to find certain (not top secret docs that can only be viewed in a SCIF, or Dept of Defense docs, etc.) classified docs in boxes of information that a former Senator, VP, Cabinet Member, POTUS, might have in their office or possession. It's not like random people will get anywhere near Biden's house or Mar-A-Lago (although more likely there since it is a club) so some of this is dramatized.
This weekend I was watching MTP or something and they referred to "a half a dozen classified documents were found at Biden's residence" and my first thought was it is fucking SIX documents. The media hypes this stuff whether it is left or right.
The questions will be:
1. What was the level of classification?
2. Is the information still classified?
3. Depending on the level of classification, how could the documents be carried away?
And then we need to remember that tRump's team basically refused to admit they had any documents which led to the FBI extracting over 300 documents.
On the topic of the 'six documents', it was six additional documents over the last batch, and since these security clearances exist for a reason, regardless of the count, all breaches should be investigated.
yes six additional...not sure what the total is for sure
I do think intent is important though once we find out whether the docs are even still considered classified.
I think all of this is fair but to be truly fair they would need to search all of Obama's offices, Bush's offices, etc. Why stop with Biden/Trump?'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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gimmesometruth27 said:tempo_n_groove said:mace1229 said:mrussel1 said:mace1229 said:mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:mrussel1 said:cblock4life said:My apologies if I missed someone else posting this..but why is Biden’s office being cleaned out two years after he left? I think whomever was in charge of maintaining classified documents for history is in trouble and that because of the huge mistake they’re now finally looking at what may have been missed in the past. Just seems strange that two years pass before he decides to have it packed up.
Which, if true, would piss me off as a student with loans to know my money was going towards paying someone who is never there and doesn't need the money.
no. YOUR payments were paying back the money you were loaned. All former POTUS and VP get a budget for office space and USSS protection.
And as I understood , the university gave him that salary for being part of whatever that office was. And while a student is paying back student loans, that money that they are paying back went to the university, and some of it went towards paying Biden several hundred thousand dollars to have an office he never used, and was somewhat abandoned. Just not a great use of university funds in my opinion. But I doubt that is uncommon practice.0 -
Hang Mike Pence’s turn.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/24/politics/pence-classified-documents-fbi/index.html
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Halifax2TheMax said:Hang Mike Pence’s turn.
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Is this all a joke ? Wtf is going on ? Who’s next?0
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nicknyr15 said:Is this all a joke ? Wtf is going on ? Who’s next?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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I'm guessing that every person has classified crap laying around. Hillary had it in her emails, Pence, Trump and Biden had files. I bet Obama had some on that hotrod Blackberry he loved so much, lol!0
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