Viruses / Vaccines 2

Merkin Baller · January 2023

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

lastexitlondon said:

Go Beavers said:

lastexitlondon said:

Go Beavers said:

lastexitlondon said:

Go Beavers said:

lastexitlondon said:

Most people here have had covid. Natural immunity is by far the best thing. Why anyone who has had covid would keep getting these boosters is beyond me.

That because your information sources are biased.

Ok mate. I have no bias

Which is the problem. Everyone has bias because it’s a natural human function. People who think they don’t are more susceptible to being led astray because they lack self awareness.

What a load of crap. Lack of self awareness. Dear lord. Thats pathetic

Kudos to you on being able to over-come normal functioning and shutting down that part of your brain.

I dont get what your purpose is. Im happy to conversate and learn or whatever but again you dont seem capable. Most people talk and share without being an idiot about it.

I’m totally capable of conversing, and bias is part of the conversation, so try not to flip this around on me as some sort of deficiency on my part. The last 3 tears has been an immersed experience in people’s biases. Now we’re in the phase where people are trying to over-state vaccine risks and by way of confirmation bias, will grasp on to any single item to convince themselves the vaccines are dangerous.

Best thread ever.

Don’t know about that. The Boston puker thread was pretty good.

The 2016 tour rumor thread had some pretty great moments too.

Equally stupid and entertaining, but with way less willful ignorance than this vaccine / virus thread.

mrussel1 · January 2023

Merkin Baller said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

lastexitlondon said:

Go Beavers said:

lastexitlondon said:

Go Beavers said:

lastexitlondon said:

Go Beavers said:

lastexitlondon said:

Most people here have had covid. Natural immunity is by far the best thing. Why anyone who has had covid would keep getting these boosters is beyond me.

That because your information sources are biased.

Ok mate. I have no bias

Which is the problem. Everyone has bias because it’s a natural human function. People who think they don’t are more susceptible to being led astray because they lack self awareness.

What a load of crap. Lack of self awareness. Dear lord. Thats pathetic

Kudos to you on being able to over-come normal functioning and shutting down that part of your brain.

I dont get what your purpose is. Im happy to conversate and learn or whatever but again you dont seem capable. Most people talk and share without being an idiot about it.

I’m totally capable of conversing, and bias is part of the conversation, so try not to flip this around on me as some sort of deficiency on my part. The last 3 tears has been an immersed experience in people’s biases. Now we’re in the phase where people are trying to over-state vaccine risks and by way of confirmation bias, will grasp on to any single item to convince themselves the vaccines are dangerous.

Best thread ever.

Don’t know about that. The Boston puker thread was pretty good.

The 2016 tour rumor thread had some pretty great moments too.

Equally stupid and entertaining, but with way less willful ignorance than this vaccine / virus thread.

2016 tour was amazing

jwhjr17 · January 2023

Merkin Baller said:

Go Beavers said:

AW124797 said:

Go Beavers said:

lastexitlondon said:

Go Beavers said:

lastexitlondon said:

Go Beavers said:

lastexitlondon said:

Go Beavers said:

lastexitlondon said:

Most people here have had covid. Natural immunity is by far the best thing. Why anyone who has had covid would keep getting these boosters is beyond me.

That because your information sources are biased.

Ok mate. I have no bias

Which is the problem. Everyone has bias because it’s a natural human function. People who think they don’t are more susceptible to being led astray because they lack self awareness.

What a load of crap. Lack of self awareness. Dear lord. Thats pathetic

Kudos to you on being able to over-come normal functioning and shutting down that part of your brain.

I dont get what your purpose is. Im happy to conversate and learn or whatever but again you dont seem capable. Most people talk and share without being an idiot about it.

I’m totally capable of conversing, and bias is part of the conversation, so try not to flip this around on me as some sort of deficiency on my part. The last 3 tears has been an immersed experience in people’s biases. Now we’re in the phase where people are trying to over-state vaccine risks and by way of confirmation bias, will grasp on to any single item to convince themselves the vaccines are dangerous.

Best thread ever.

Don’t know about that. The Boston puker thread was pretty good.

The 2016 tour rumor thread had some pretty great moments too.

Equally stupid and entertaining, but with way less willful ignorance than this vaccine / virus thread.

This thread has been fantastic entertainment for me. Glad it was opened back up.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2023

lastexitlondon said:

I will leave it at that. That is where i am

I guess, Rob, I don't understand why you are so focused on that one guy. He's the one, by FAR, maybe the ONLY one, that you consistently listen to. And he's been heavily criticized for the stuff he's posted on his youtube channel throughout the pandemic as "junk science".

HughFreakingDillon · January 2023

lastexitlondon said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

lastexitlondon said:

Covid is endemic now. Here in uk 100% it is nobody cares

that's not what endemic means.

I understand what it means.
1.
(of a disease) regularly occurring within an area or community.
"areas where malaria is endemic"

it's all over the world still. it's not endemic to the UK or any other area. I think you may be focusing on "regularly occurring" means. that would mean it's been endemic since March 2020.

mickeyrat · January 2023

https://apnews.com/article/politics-health-covid-china-business-440d0f847dc9c54ad5e399cc56b8b48c

China COVID-19

China accuses 'some Western media' of COVID-19 coverage bias

Today

BEIJING (AP) — China on Thursday accused “some Western media” of bias, smears and political manipulation in their coverage of China’s abrupt ending of its strict “zero-COVID” policy, as it issued a vigorous defense of actions taken to prepare for the change of strategy.

The move in December to end mass testing and quarantines led to a sharp rise in cases, with some hospitals and crematoriums overwhelmed with victims.

An editorial in the ruling Communist Party mouthpiece People’s Daily outlined what it called China’s “optimization and control measures” and blasted reports by media outlets they didn’t identify as “completely biased hype, smear and political manipulation with ulterior motives.”

Since the initial wave of new cases, life in much of China has largely returned to normal, although officials have expressed concern about a further spread of the virus into the countryside during the Lunar New Year travel rush now underway.

Despite that, the editorial said many localities have “passed the peak of the epidemic, and production and life are speeding up to return to normal.”

“Zero-COVID," as the strategy came to be known, sought to track and isolate every case of infection, along with those who had contact with them and even third-hand contacts. It confined millions of people in cities such as Shanghai to their homes for two months or longer, with many suffering from food shortages and lack of access to health care.

POLITICS

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China strongly defended the policy but began dismantling it under economic pressure and after highly rare street protests broke out in Beijing and other major cities denouncing the ruling party and its leader, Xi Jinping. On Jan. 8, it took the further step of eliminating the requirement that those arriving from abroad undergo lengthy and expensive quarantines.

China rejected both foreign and domestic criticism of the policy's excesses, denouncing earlier calls from the World Health Organization for it to adjust to changes in the nature of the virus, calling them “irresponsible."

That made the abrupt mid-winter shift to a policy of merely seeking to prevent the most serious cases all the more jarring for the population, many of whom have defied censors to express anger online. Virtually overnight, testing stations where people had stood in long lines disappeared, while field hospitals used to quarantine millions simply packed up.

China also ceased publishing figures on new cases and deaths, which it had long been suspected of underreporting, leading to further complaints from the WHO and foreign nations about a lack of transparency. Unconfirmed estimates now put numbers of new cases at tens of thousands a day, with up to 85% of the population in some provinces having become infected.

China has also rejected calls to release more data and provide more information about the origin of the virus, first detected in the central Chinese city of Wuhan in late 2019, accusing those making the requests of “politicizing" the issue.

The government has also lashed out at countries that require travelers coming from China to show a negative virus test, calling the demand “discriminatory" even though it requires the same of anyone entering China.

That defensive attitude was reflected in the People's Daily editorial, which said: “Thanks to meticulous medical preparations, sufficient production capacity reserves, and strong organizational planning and equipment, China has smoothly passed the adaptation period after the ‘transition' and ‘shift' of the epidemic prevention policy."

“In the face of China’s prevention and control achievements, any political manipulation is pale and powerless," it added, citing endorsements from academics in Nigeria, Kenya and Russia, all close Chinese diplomatic partners.

“All parties should focus on fighting the epidemic itself, avoid any words or deeds that politicize the epidemic, strengthen solidarity and cooperation, and work together to defeat the epidemic," the editorial said.

brianlux · January 2023

To no one here in particular: I don't know why people continue to argue about vaccinations. You're either going to get one or you're not. I have a somewhat compromised immune system and I'm what some people would consider "old". COVID or a bad flu virus could easily kill me, so I'm not taking any chances. Others may have little or no concern, or don't believe COVID is real, or follow some kind of conspiracy theory about the whole thing- and that to me is stupid, but it's their choice. I'm not going to tell any one what to do or even say they "should blah blah blah". But unless I know someone is taking similar precautions to mine and at the very least respect my concerns, they can have their beliefs and make their own choices- just stay the hell away from me, thank you very much!

mickeyrat · January 2023

^^^ its true, he IS old.

Lerxst1992 · January 2023

AW124797 said:

Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent.

And I don't wish thirty thousand deaths on anyone. 30,000 deaths in NY in about a month.

FFS does anyone recall what the beginning of the pandemic was like?

benjs · January 2023

Nine days since messaging Dr. Campbell on Twitter without any response, for what it's worth. People are delusional if they think that someone with a scientific theory with merit and evidence could be successfully suppressed in this day and age. Also, similar to Matt, I prefer to read a damn article. Last thing, from Dr. Campbell's Wikipedia page's Careers section:

"Campbell worked as a nursing educator at the University of Cumbria, and has experience as an emergency department nurse.[8] He has also tutored healthcare workers in Cambodia and India.[8] He is the author of the nursing-related bioscience textbooks Campbell's Physiology Notes and Campbell's Pathophysiology Notes. A review in Emergency Nurse magazine said that the latter textbook contained "excellent [and] inexpensive notes on the causes, pathophysiological changes, and clinical features seen in disease processes".[9] In 2008, he established a YouTube channel to provide educational lectures on topics in health science and nursing.[10]"

Sorry, but a guy who writes teaching methods and studies nursing practices, is just not the guy I believe should be listened to on the impacts of vaccines. Maybe, say, an immunologist would be better? Too many god damn armchair experts out here, and too many people believing blindly when it resembles a position they have.

benjs · January 2023

Also, upon continuing to read the Wikipedia page about Campbell, here's the CoVID-19 section:

"In early 2020 Campbell's YouTube channel started to focus on the developing COVID-19 pandemic.[11] Until then, his videos had been receiving an average of several thousand views each, but his channel began to receive significant traffic after it started running COVID-related videos.[10] Between February and March 2020, his channel increased from an average of 500,000 views per month to 9.6 million, mostly from American viewers.[12] By September 2020, his videos had been viewed more than 50 million times.[13] In March 2020, he argued that China's COVID-19 statistics were grossly underestimated and that the US and UK were doing too little to contain COVID-19.[8] In September 2020, he argued that more ventilation in pubs, restaurants, and cafes would be needed in addition to the existing restrictions.[14]

Early in the pandemic, Campbell spoke of the importance of a "calm and measured approach that is as informed as possible".[15] He said he wanted to assist people in making informed decisions about their health in order to counter what he saw as other people on social media "spreading absolutely bonkers—and sometimes dangerous—information".[12] In August 2020, UNICEF's regional office for Europe and Central Asia cited his YouTube channel as an excellent example of how experts might engage with social media to combat misinformation,[16] citing a March 2020 briefing by Social Science in Humanitarian Action.[17]

In August 2022 David Gorski wrote for Science-Based Medicine that while at the beginning of the pandemic Campbell had "seemed semi-reasonable", he later became a "total COVID-19 crank".[2]

Needle aspiration

In September 2021, Campbell said in a video that he believed that most people in the United Kingdom and United States were "giving the vaccines wrongly". Referencing a study on mice, he said that myocarditis could be caused if the person injecting the vaccine does not perform aspiration (checking that the needle does not hit a blood vessel by initially drawing back the plunger). Aspiration is a common technique but is not without disadvantages, so it has not been recommended by many countries.[18] The video was referenced by American comedian Jimmy Dore on his YouTube talk show to make the misleading claim that a failure to aspirate was causing myocarditis.[19]

Ivermectin

Further information: Ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic

In November 2021, Campbell said in a video that ivermectin—an antiparasitic drug—might have been responsible for a sudden decline in COVID-19 cases in Japan. However, the drug had never been officially authorised for such use in the country; its use was merely promoted by the chair of a non-governmental medical association in Tokyo and it has no established benefit as a COVID-19 treatment.[20] Meaghan Kall, the lead COVID-19 epidemiologist at the British Health Security Agency, said that Campbell was confusing causation and correlation and that there was no evidence of ivermectin being used in large numbers in Japan, rather that his claims appeared to be "based on anecdata on social media driving wildly damaging misinformation".[20]

In March 2022, Campbell posted another ivermectin video, in which he misrepresented a conference abstract to make the claim that it "unequivocally" showed ivermectin to be effective at reducing COVID-19 deaths, and that ivermectin was going to be a "huge scandal" because information about it had been suppressed. The authors of the abstract refuted such misrepresentations of their paper, with one writing on Twitter, "People like John Campbell are calling this a 'great thought out study' when in reality it's an abstract with preliminary data. We have randomized controlled trials, why are we still interested in retrospective cohort data abstracts?"[21]

Vaccines

In November 2021, Campbell quoted from a non-peer-reviewed standalone journal abstract by Steven Gundry saying that mRNA vaccines might increase the risk of heart attack, and said that this might be "incredibly significant".[4] This video was viewed over 2 million times within a few weeks and was used by anti-vaccination activists as support for the misinformation that COVID-19 vaccination causes heart attacks.[4] According to a FactCheck.org review, although Campbell had drawn attention to the abstract's typos and its lack of methodology and data, he did not mention the expression of concern that had been issued against it.[4]

In March 2022, Campbell posted a misleading video about the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, claiming that a Pfizer document admitted that the vaccine was associated with over 1,000 deaths. The video was viewed over 750,000 times and shared widely on social media. In reality, the document explicitly discredited any connection between vaccinations and reported deaths.[3]

In July 2022, Campbell gave an error-filled account of an article published in the New England Journal of Medicine and falsely claimed that it showed the risk to children from COVID-19 vaccination was much greater than the risk of getting seriously ill from COVID-19 itself. The video received over 700,000 views. The article actually showed that COVID-19 vaccination greatly reduced the risk of children getting seriously ill from COVID-19.[22]

In December 2022 Campbell posted a video in which he made selective use of statistics to make the misleading claim that COVID-19 vaccines were so harmful that they should be withdrawn. The paper he used was in reality only considering hospitalisations from COVID-19 in a short time window, and not the overall vaccine risk/benefit balance. David Spiegelhalter, chair of Cambridge University's Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication, said that such use of the data seemed "entirely inappropriate".[23]

Death count

A popular misconception throughout the pandemic has been that deaths have been over-reported.[5] In January 2022, Campbell posted a video in which he cited figures from the British Office of National Statistics (ONS) and suggested that they showed deaths from COVID-19 were "much lower than mainstream media seems to have been intimating". He concentrated on a figure of 17,371 death certificates showing only COVID-19 as the cause of death. Within a few days, the video had been viewed over 1.5 million times.[24] It was shared by Conservative Party politician David Davis, who called it "excellent" and said that it was "disentangling the statistics",[5] while American comedian Jimmy Dore used it to claim that COVID-19 deaths had been over-reported and that the figures proved that the public had been victims of a "scaremongering campaign".[25] The ONS responded by debunking the claims as spurious and wrong.[26] An ONS spokesman said suggesting that the 17,000 figure "represents the real extent of deaths from the virus is both factually incorrect and highly misleading".[25] The official figure for COVID-19-related deaths in the UK for the period was over 175,000 at the time; in 140,000 of those cases, the underlying cause of death was listed as COVID-19.[5][27]

Monkeypox parallels

In July 2022, Campbell posted a video in which he promoted the misleading idea that "parallels" could be drawn between the SARS-CoV-2 virus which causes COVID-19 and the 2022 monkeypox outbreak because "both pathogens were being studied in laboratories" prior to an outbreak. The misinformation was embraced by American comedian Jimmy Dore and achieved wide circulation on social media, marking the third time Dore had used a Campbell video to spread COVID-19 misinformation.[28]

"

This guy fucking stinks. Even if he is proven right later on, it will be based on coincidence rather than science.

mickeyrat · January 2023

Lerxst1992 said:

AW124797 said:

Wasn’t FL first state to drop covid restrictions and well over one million people moved there since March 2020? It definitely felt like a beacon of freedom in my case. I don't wish zoom schooling on any parent.

And I don't wish thirty thousand deaths on anyone. 30,000 deaths in NY in about a month.

FFS does anyone recall what the beginning of the pandemic was like?

nope. just how they were affected

AW124797 · January 2023

benjs said:

Also, upon continuing to read the Wikipedia page about Campbell, here's the CoVID-19 section:

"In early 2020 Campbell's YouTube channel started to focus on the developing COVID-19 pandemic.[11] Until then, his videos had been receiving an average of several thousand views each, but his channel began to receive significant traffic after it started running COVID-related videos.[10] Between February and March 2020, his channel increased from an average of 500,000 views per month to 9.6 million, mostly from American viewers.[12] By September 2020, his videos had been viewed more than 50 million times.[13] In March 2020, he argued that China's COVID-19 statistics were grossly underestimated and that the US and UK were doing too little to contain COVID-19.[8] In September 2020, he argued that more ventilation in pubs, restaurants, and cafes would be needed in addition to the existing restrictions.[14]
Early in the pandemic, Campbell spoke of the importance of a "calm and measured approach that is as informed as possible".[15] He said he wanted to assist people in making informed decisions about their health in order to counter what he saw as other people on social media "spreading absolutely bonkers—and sometimes dangerous—information".[12] In August 2020, UNICEF's regional office for Europe and Central Asia cited his YouTube channel as an excellent example of how experts might engage with social media to combat misinformation,[16] citing a March 2020 briefing by Social Science in Humanitarian Action.[17]
In August 2022 David Gorski wrote for Science-Based Medicine that while at the beginning of the pandemic Campbell had "seemed semi-reasonable", he later became a "total COVID-19 crank".[2]
Needle aspiration
In September 2021, Campbell said in a video that he believed that most people in the United Kingdom and United States were "giving the vaccines wrongly". Referencing a study on mice, he said that myocarditis could be caused if the person injecting the vaccine does not perform aspiration (checking that the needle does not hit a blood vessel by initially drawing back the plunger). Aspiration is a common technique but is not without disadvantages, so it has not been recommended by many countries.[18] The video was referenced by American comedian Jimmy Dore on his YouTube talk show to make the misleading claim that a failure to aspirate was causing myocarditis.[19]
Ivermectin
Further information: Ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic
In November 2021, Campbell said in a video that ivermectin—an antiparasitic drug—might have been responsible for a sudden decline in COVID-19 cases in Japan. However, the drug had never been officially authorised for such use in the country; its use was merely promoted by the chair of a non-governmental medical association in Tokyo and it has no established benefit as a COVID-19 treatment.[20] Meaghan Kall, the lead COVID-19 epidemiologist at the British Health Security Agency, said that Campbell was confusing causation and correlation and that there was no evidence of ivermectin being used in large numbers in Japan, rather that his claims appeared to be "based on anecdata on social media driving wildly damaging misinformation".[20]
In March 2022, Campbell posted another ivermectin video, in which he misrepresented a conference abstract to make the claim that it "unequivocally" showed ivermectin to be effective at reducing COVID-19 deaths, and that ivermectin was going to be a "huge scandal" because information about it had been suppressed. The authors of the abstract refuted such misrepresentations of their paper, with one writing on Twitter, "People like John Campbell are calling this a 'great thought out study' when in reality it's an abstract with preliminary data. We have randomized controlled trials, why are we still interested in retrospective cohort data abstracts?"[21]
Vaccines
In November 2021, Campbell quoted from a non-peer-reviewed standalone journal abstract by Steven Gundry saying that mRNA vaccines might increase the risk of heart attack, and said that this might be "incredibly significant".[4] This video was viewed over 2 million times within a few weeks and was used by anti-vaccination activists as support for the misinformation that COVID-19 vaccination causes heart attacks.[4] According to a FactCheck.org review, although Campbell had drawn attention to the abstract's typos and its lack of methodology and data, he did not mention the expression of concern that had been issued against it.[4]
In March 2022, Campbell posted a misleading video about the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, claiming that a Pfizer document admitted that the vaccine was associated with over 1,000 deaths. The video was viewed over 750,000 times and shared widely on social media. In reality, the document explicitly discredited any connection between vaccinations and reported deaths.[3]
In July 2022, Campbell gave an error-filled account of an article published in the New England Journal of Medicine and falsely claimed that it showed the risk to children from COVID-19 vaccination was much greater than the risk of getting seriously ill from COVID-19 itself. The video received over 700,000 views. The article actually showed that COVID-19 vaccination greatly reduced the risk of children getting seriously ill from COVID-19.[22]
In December 2022 Campbell posted a video in which he made selective use of statistics to make the misleading claim that COVID-19 vaccines were so harmful that they should be withdrawn. The paper he used was in reality only considering hospitalisations from COVID-19 in a short time window, and not the overall vaccine risk/benefit balance. David Spiegelhalter, chair of Cambridge University's Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication, said that such use of the data seemed "entirely inappropriate".[23]
Death count
A popular misconception throughout the pandemic has been that deaths have been over-reported.[5] In January 2022, Campbell posted a video in which he cited figures from the British Office of National Statistics (ONS) and suggested that they showed deaths from COVID-19 were "much lower than mainstream media seems to have been intimating". He concentrated on a figure of 17,371 death certificates showing only COVID-19 as the cause of death. Within a few days, the video had been viewed over 1.5 million times.[24] It was shared by Conservative Party politician David Davis, who called it "excellent" and said that it was "disentangling the statistics",[5] while American comedian Jimmy Dore used it to claim that COVID-19 deaths had been over-reported and that the figures proved that the public had been victims of a "scaremongering campaign".[25] The ONS responded by debunking the claims as spurious and wrong.[26] An ONS spokesman said suggesting that the 17,000 figure "represents the real extent of deaths from the virus is both factually incorrect and highly misleading".[25] The official figure for COVID-19-related deaths in the UK for the period was over 175,000 at the time; in 140,000 of those cases, the underlying cause of death was listed as COVID-19.[5][27]
Monkeypox parallels
In July 2022, Campbell posted a video in which he promoted the misleading idea that "parallels" could be drawn between the SARS-CoV-2 virus which causes COVID-19 and the 2022 monkeypox outbreak because "both pathogens were being studied in laboratories" prior to an outbreak. The misinformation was embraced by American comedian Jimmy Dore and achieved wide circulation on social media, marking the third time Dore had used a Campbell video to spread COVID-19 misinformation.[28]
"

This guy fucking stinks. Even if he is proven right later on, it will be based on coincidence rather than science.

Once I've read on Wikipedia that Anthony Fauci sleeps in a coffin. Seemed legit.

AW124797 · January 2023

brianlux said:

To no one here in particular: I don't know why people continue to argue about vaccinations. You're either going to get one or you're not. I have a somewhat compromised immune system and I'm what some people would consider "old". COVID or a bad flu virus could easily kill me, so I'm not taking any chances. Others may have little or no concern, or don't believe COVID is real, or follow some kind of conspiracy theory about the whole thing- and that to me is stupid, but it's their choice. I'm not going to tell any one what to do or even say they "should blah blah blah". But unless I know someone is taking similar precautions to mine and at the very least respect my concerns, they can have their beliefs and make their own choices- just stay the hell away from me, thank you very much!

Sir, nobody wants to take your boosters away.

AW124797 · January 2023

OnWis97 said:

AW124797 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I’m still waiting for how many is too many.

6th booster is too many.

I'm sympathetic to the opposing argument and I've had four and haven't decided whether to get more, but where do you come up with this number?

It was a joke. I thought 6th dose is on typical schedule right now.

Halifax2TheMax · January 2023

AW124797 said:

OnWis97 said:

AW124797 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I’m still waiting for how many is too many.

6th booster is too many.

I'm sympathetic to the opposing argument and I've had four and haven't decided whether to get more, but where do you come up with this number?

It was a joke. I thought 6th dose is on typical schedule right now.

If it was a joke, how many is too many? And I believe my original request for a response related to your claim that “too many” were suffering from ill effects from vaccination/boosters.

You’re slowly loosing credibility, IMHO.

benjs · January 2023

AW124797 said:

benjs said:

Also, upon continuing to read the Wikipedia page about Campbell, here's the CoVID-19 section:

"In early 2020 Campbell's YouTube channel started to focus on the developing COVID-19 pandemic.[11] Until then, his videos had been receiving an average of several thousand views each, but his channel began to receive significant traffic after it started running COVID-related videos.[10] Between February and March 2020, his channel increased from an average of 500,000 views per month to 9.6 million, mostly from American viewers.[12] By September 2020, his videos had been viewed more than 50 million times.[13] In March 2020, he argued that China's COVID-19 statistics were grossly underestimated and that the US and UK were doing too little to contain COVID-19.[8] In September 2020, he argued that more ventilation in pubs, restaurants, and cafes would be needed in addition to the existing restrictions.[14]
Early in the pandemic, Campbell spoke of the importance of a "calm and measured approach that is as informed as possible".[15] He said he wanted to assist people in making informed decisions about their health in order to counter what he saw as other people on social media "spreading absolutely bonkers—and sometimes dangerous—information".[12] In August 2020, UNICEF's regional office for Europe and Central Asia cited his YouTube channel as an excellent example of how experts might engage with social media to combat misinformation,[16] citing a March 2020 briefing by Social Science in Humanitarian Action.[17]
In August 2022 David Gorski wrote for Science-Based Medicine that while at the beginning of the pandemic Campbell had "seemed semi-reasonable", he later became a "total COVID-19 crank".[2]
Needle aspiration
In September 2021, Campbell said in a video that he believed that most people in the United Kingdom and United States were "giving the vaccines wrongly". Referencing a study on mice, he said that myocarditis could be caused if the person injecting the vaccine does not perform aspiration (checking that the needle does not hit a blood vessel by initially drawing back the plunger). Aspiration is a common technique but is not without disadvantages, so it has not been recommended by many countries.[18] The video was referenced by American comedian Jimmy Dore on his YouTube talk show to make the misleading claim that a failure to aspirate was causing myocarditis.[19]
Ivermectin
Further information: Ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic
In November 2021, Campbell said in a video that ivermectin—an antiparasitic drug—might have been responsible for a sudden decline in COVID-19 cases in Japan. However, the drug had never been officially authorised for such use in the country; its use was merely promoted by the chair of a non-governmental medical association in Tokyo and it has no established benefit as a COVID-19 treatment.[20] Meaghan Kall, the lead COVID-19 epidemiologist at the British Health Security Agency, said that Campbell was confusing causation and correlation and that there was no evidence of ivermectin being used in large numbers in Japan, rather that his claims appeared to be "based on anecdata on social media driving wildly damaging misinformation".[20]
In March 2022, Campbell posted another ivermectin video, in which he misrepresented a conference abstract to make the claim that it "unequivocally" showed ivermectin to be effective at reducing COVID-19 deaths, and that ivermectin was going to be a "huge scandal" because information about it had been suppressed. The authors of the abstract refuted such misrepresentations of their paper, with one writing on Twitter, "People like John Campbell are calling this a 'great thought out study' when in reality it's an abstract with preliminary data. We have randomized controlled trials, why are we still interested in retrospective cohort data abstracts?"[21]
Vaccines
In November 2021, Campbell quoted from a non-peer-reviewed standalone journal abstract by Steven Gundry saying that mRNA vaccines might increase the risk of heart attack, and said that this might be "incredibly significant".[4] This video was viewed over 2 million times within a few weeks and was used by anti-vaccination activists as support for the misinformation that COVID-19 vaccination causes heart attacks.[4] According to a FactCheck.org review, although Campbell had drawn attention to the abstract's typos and its lack of methodology and data, he did not mention the expression of concern that had been issued against it.[4]
In March 2022, Campbell posted a misleading video about the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, claiming that a Pfizer document admitted that the vaccine was associated with over 1,000 deaths. The video was viewed over 750,000 times and shared widely on social media. In reality, the document explicitly discredited any connection between vaccinations and reported deaths.[3]
In July 2022, Campbell gave an error-filled account of an article published in the New England Journal of Medicine and falsely claimed that it showed the risk to children from COVID-19 vaccination was much greater than the risk of getting seriously ill from COVID-19 itself. The video received over 700,000 views. The article actually showed that COVID-19 vaccination greatly reduced the risk of children getting seriously ill from COVID-19.[22]
In December 2022 Campbell posted a video in which he made selective use of statistics to make the misleading claim that COVID-19 vaccines were so harmful that they should be withdrawn. The paper he used was in reality only considering hospitalisations from COVID-19 in a short time window, and not the overall vaccine risk/benefit balance. David Spiegelhalter, chair of Cambridge University's Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication, said that such use of the data seemed "entirely inappropriate".[23]
Death count
A popular misconception throughout the pandemic has been that deaths have been over-reported.[5] In January 2022, Campbell posted a video in which he cited figures from the British Office of National Statistics (ONS) and suggested that they showed deaths from COVID-19 were "much lower than mainstream media seems to have been intimating". He concentrated on a figure of 17,371 death certificates showing only COVID-19 as the cause of death. Within a few days, the video had been viewed over 1.5 million times.[24] It was shared by Conservative Party politician David Davis, who called it "excellent" and said that it was "disentangling the statistics",[5] while American comedian Jimmy Dore used it to claim that COVID-19 deaths had been over-reported and that the figures proved that the public had been victims of a "scaremongering campaign".[25] The ONS responded by debunking the claims as spurious and wrong.[26] An ONS spokesman said suggesting that the 17,000 figure "represents the real extent of deaths from the virus is both factually incorrect and highly misleading".[25] The official figure for COVID-19-related deaths in the UK for the period was over 175,000 at the time; in 140,000 of those cases, the underlying cause of death was listed as COVID-19.[5][27]
Monkeypox parallels
In July 2022, Campbell posted a video in which he promoted the misleading idea that "parallels" could be drawn between the SARS-CoV-2 virus which causes COVID-19 and the 2022 monkeypox outbreak because "both pathogens were being studied in laboratories" prior to an outbreak. The misinformation was embraced by American comedian Jimmy Dore and achieved wide circulation on social media, marking the third time Dore had used a Campbell video to spread COVID-19 misinformation.[28]
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This guy fucking stinks. Even if he is proven right later on, it will be based on coincidence rather than science.

Once I've read on Wikipedia that Anthony Fauci sleeps in a coffin. Seemed legit.

Are you sure you don't mean 4chan? Wikipedia has a content moderation strategy. If you don't like the contents though, you can validate them with the references.

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AW124797 · January 2023

benjs said:

AW124797 said:

benjs said:

Also, upon continuing to read the Wikipedia page about Campbell, here's the CoVID-19 section:

"In early 2020 Campbell's YouTube channel started to focus on the developing COVID-19 pandemic.[11] Until then, his videos had been receiving an average of several thousand views each, but his channel began to receive significant traffic after it started running COVID-related videos.[10] Between February and March 2020, his channel increased from an average of 500,000 views per month to 9.6 million, mostly from American viewers.[12] By September 2020, his videos had been viewed more than 50 million times.[13] In March 2020, he argued that China's COVID-19 statistics were grossly underestimated and that the US and UK were doing too little to contain COVID-19.[8] In September 2020, he argued that more ventilation in pubs, restaurants, and cafes would be needed in addition to the existing restrictions.[14]
Early in the pandemic, Campbell spoke of the importance of a "calm and measured approach that is as informed as possible".[15] He said he wanted to assist people in making informed decisions about their health in order to counter what he saw as other people on social media "spreading absolutely bonkers—and sometimes dangerous—information".[12] In August 2020, UNICEF's regional office for Europe and Central Asia cited his YouTube channel as an excellent example of how experts might engage with social media to combat misinformation,[16] citing a March 2020 briefing by Social Science in Humanitarian Action.[17]
In August 2022 David Gorski wrote for Science-Based Medicine that while at the beginning of the pandemic Campbell had "seemed semi-reasonable", he later became a "total COVID-19 crank".[2]
Needle aspiration
In September 2021, Campbell said in a video that he believed that most people in the United Kingdom and United States were "giving the vaccines wrongly". Referencing a study on mice, he said that myocarditis could be caused if the person injecting the vaccine does not perform aspiration (checking that the needle does not hit a blood vessel by initially drawing back the plunger). Aspiration is a common technique but is not without disadvantages, so it has not been recommended by many countries.[18] The video was referenced by American comedian Jimmy Dore on his YouTube talk show to make the misleading claim that a failure to aspirate was causing myocarditis.[19]
Ivermectin
Further information: Ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic
In November 2021, Campbell said in a video that ivermectin—an antiparasitic drug—might have been responsible for a sudden decline in COVID-19 cases in Japan. However, the drug had never been officially authorised for such use in the country; its use was merely promoted by the chair of a non-governmental medical association in Tokyo and it has no established benefit as a COVID-19 treatment.[20] Meaghan Kall, the lead COVID-19 epidemiologist at the British Health Security Agency, said that Campbell was confusing causation and correlation and that there was no evidence of ivermectin being used in large numbers in Japan, rather that his claims appeared to be "based on anecdata on social media driving wildly damaging misinformation".[20]
In March 2022, Campbell posted another ivermectin video, in which he misrepresented a conference abstract to make the claim that it "unequivocally" showed ivermectin to be effective at reducing COVID-19 deaths, and that ivermectin was going to be a "huge scandal" because information about it had been suppressed. The authors of the abstract refuted such misrepresentations of their paper, with one writing on Twitter, "People like John Campbell are calling this a 'great thought out study' when in reality it's an abstract with preliminary data. We have randomized controlled trials, why are we still interested in retrospective cohort data abstracts?"[21]
Vaccines
In November 2021, Campbell quoted from a non-peer-reviewed standalone journal abstract by Steven Gundry saying that mRNA vaccines might increase the risk of heart attack, and said that this might be "incredibly significant".[4] This video was viewed over 2 million times within a few weeks and was used by anti-vaccination activists as support for the misinformation that COVID-19 vaccination causes heart attacks.[4] According to a FactCheck.org review, although Campbell had drawn attention to the abstract's typos and its lack of methodology and data, he did not mention the expression of concern that had been issued against it.[4]
In March 2022, Campbell posted a misleading video about the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, claiming that a Pfizer document admitted that the vaccine was associated with over 1,000 deaths. The video was viewed over 750,000 times and shared widely on social media. In reality, the document explicitly discredited any connection between vaccinations and reported deaths.[3]
In July 2022, Campbell gave an error-filled account of an article published in the New England Journal of Medicine and falsely claimed that it showed the risk to children from COVID-19 vaccination was much greater than the risk of getting seriously ill from COVID-19 itself. The video received over 700,000 views. The article actually showed that COVID-19 vaccination greatly reduced the risk of children getting seriously ill from COVID-19.[22]
In December 2022 Campbell posted a video in which he made selective use of statistics to make the misleading claim that COVID-19 vaccines were so harmful that they should be withdrawn. The paper he used was in reality only considering hospitalisations from COVID-19 in a short time window, and not the overall vaccine risk/benefit balance. David Spiegelhalter, chair of Cambridge University's Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication, said that such use of the data seemed "entirely inappropriate".[23]
Death count
A popular misconception throughout the pandemic has been that deaths have been over-reported.[5] In January 2022, Campbell posted a video in which he cited figures from the British Office of National Statistics (ONS) and suggested that they showed deaths from COVID-19 were "much lower than mainstream media seems to have been intimating". He concentrated on a figure of 17,371 death certificates showing only COVID-19 as the cause of death. Within a few days, the video had been viewed over 1.5 million times.[24] It was shared by Conservative Party politician David Davis, who called it "excellent" and said that it was "disentangling the statistics",[5] while American comedian Jimmy Dore used it to claim that COVID-19 deaths had been over-reported and that the figures proved that the public had been victims of a "scaremongering campaign".[25] The ONS responded by debunking the claims as spurious and wrong.[26] An ONS spokesman said suggesting that the 17,000 figure "represents the real extent of deaths from the virus is both factually incorrect and highly misleading".[25] The official figure for COVID-19-related deaths in the UK for the period was over 175,000 at the time; in 140,000 of those cases, the underlying cause of death was listed as COVID-19.[5][27]
Monkeypox parallels
In July 2022, Campbell posted a video in which he promoted the misleading idea that "parallels" could be drawn between the SARS-CoV-2 virus which causes COVID-19 and the 2022 monkeypox outbreak because "both pathogens were being studied in laboratories" prior to an outbreak. The misinformation was embraced by American comedian Jimmy Dore and achieved wide circulation on social media, marking the third time Dore had used a Campbell video to spread COVID-19 misinformation.[28]
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This guy fucking stinks. Even if he is proven right later on, it will be based on coincidence rather than science.

Once I've read on Wikipedia that Anthony Fauci sleeps in a coffin. Seemed legit.

Are you sure you don't mean 4chan? Wikipedia has a content moderation strategy. If you don't like the contents though, you can validate them with the references.

Top experts here will discredit any wiki links. Sorry, not my rule.

AW124797 · January 2023

Go Beavers said:

lastexitlondon said:

Go Beavers said:

lastexitlondon said:

Go Beavers said:

lastexitlondon said:

Go Beavers said:

lastexitlondon said:

Most people here have had covid. Natural immunity is by far the best thing. Why anyone who has had covid would keep getting these boosters is beyond me.

That because your information sources are biased.

Ok mate. I have no bias

Which is the problem. Everyone has bias because it’s a natural human function. People who think they don’t are more susceptible to being led astray because they lack self awareness.

What a load of crap. Lack of self awareness. Dear lord. Thats pathetic

Kudos to you on being able to over-come normal functioning and shutting down that part of your brain.

I dont get what your purpose is. Im happy to conversate and learn or whatever but again you dont seem capable. Most people talk and share without being an idiot about it.

I’m totally capable of conversing, and bias is part of the conversation, so try not to flip this around on me as some sort of deficiency on my part. The last 3 years has been an immersed experience in people’s biases. Now we’re in the phase where people are trying to over-state vaccine risks and by way of confirmation bias, will grasp on to any single item to convince themselves the vaccines are dangerous.

No. In the last 3 years you've had 6 covid vaccine boosters, caught covid 5 times, infected numerous others, felt like shit after few jabs and now you're still here, everyday, trying to convince strangers that covid vaccine works. Crazy, right?

AW124797 · January 2023

mrussel1 said:

lastexitlondon said:

mrussel1 said:

lastexitlondon said:

mrussel1 said:

lastexitlondon said:

Most people here have had covid. Natural immunity is by far the best thing. Why anyone who has had covid would keep getting these boosters is beyond me.

Natural immunity is not forevermore, and if you are old or have certain conditions, then it makes perfect sense to get boosters every year. The same thing for annual Influenza.

Its not the same as flu. This is an mrna genetically modified vaccine. The flu vaccine not. Omicron changed the pandemic completely.

What the difference as it relates to immunity after an infection or after a vaccine?

I'm not arguing that the vaccine is the same, but you asked why get the booster? And whether it's MRNA or not, the reason for an at risk person to get a vaccine is for the same reason as you get an annual Influenza shot.

At risk person. All these kids and young people are at zero risk from omicron . Are all of the people on here at risk? Maybe a few have underlying conditions but people are giving it to their kids.

If my kid gets a vaccine, why the fuck do you care? You have the freedom to not, and I have the freedom to do so.

I'd care. I always feel bad for this one poor kid that's running around with a mask on during outdoor soccer game. There's an imbecile parent on every team in my son's league. No exceptions.

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