Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

My apologies if I missed someone else posting this..but why is Biden’s office being cleaned out two years after he left?  I think whomever was in charge of maintaining classified documents for history is in trouble and that because of the huge mistake they’re now finally looking at what may have been missed in the past.  Just seems strange that two years pass before he decides to have it packed up.  

I think he has maintained that office until very recently.  It's located in DC and part of the Biden Center.  While it's somewhat unusual for someone to be in gov't, leave, then come back, I don't think there was anything unethical or illegal about having the office while president. 

The Penn Brandon Center was set up during the lame duck period after POOTWH won the election, that was stolen, and before he left the VP on 1/20. The boxes of files were packed by aides and the files at the Penn Center were left there as he ran for POTUS in the event that he didn't win the election and returned as a guest lecturer or whatever his position was. Aides, typically lawyers because of the sensitive material they handle, discuss, etc. found the files in the closet and reported the incident up the chain, WH Legal Office, who notified National Archives, who contacted DOJ who put the FBI on it. One of the aides/lawyers who examined the boxes and had security clearance to review classified material then went through the box. Upon finding classified material, notified the FBI to take possession. Regardless, a Special Counsel has now been appointed to investigate the matter, as they should. I'll gladly have both Brandon and POOTWH investigated, tried, convicted if guilty and punished. One will be way more severe than the other.

The glaring differences couldn't be more profound. We know about Brandon's documents two months into the kerfluffle. We didn't know about POOTWH's for nine months after the National Archives requested the return of documents that they knew POOTWH had. What were those? Letters from his Korean lover. Why would the National Archives know about those and realize they were missing? Because POOTWH waved them around and bragged about them. Why would the National Archives not know about secret documents possessed by POOTWH or Brandon? Because they're secret and likely not part of their inventory or knowledge. POOTWH's criminal liability lies in not being forthcoming upon request by the National Archives, not returning all of the documents when the FBI asked for them on behalf of NA, having his attorneys subsequently commit perjury when they claimed everything had been returned, which necessitated the FBI raid. Which, upon conducting, found 300 classified documents that hadn't been returned. POOTWH's mistake was not coming clean immediately, which most likely resulted in the intelligence agencies conducting an inventory. Again, I'm not sure the National Archives would automatically know which classified documents or how many a POTUS possessed or reviewed or didn't return. Brandon regularly returns to Delaware for the weekend and works while there. The same cannot be said of POOTWH and Mar-I-Lieo. He barely worked while in the WH, if at all.

There is a long history of government employees who are close to POTUS having documents in their possession after leaving office. Sandy Berger was tried and convicted. Alberto Gonzales was not. Someone else went to prison. The issue seems to me to be one of document control and tracking their possession. Airtag those fuckers or make them returnable after X amount of time to the agency that issued them with the stipulation that if not, the AG will be notified.

Everything POOTWH does is the equivalent of snapping his suit jacket, farting and walking out of the room while everyone else is left to gag and clean up the mess. Brandon and POOTWH are not comparable, not even close.

tempo_n_groove said:

No fighting in this thread?  Hmmmph.  I came for some frireworks and all I found was a sparkler...

Lerxst1992 said:

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RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Another difference -

with trump there was a list.  The SS and FBI and archives all knew what he had, where it was, and that the secret service was providing security for it.  With the Big Guy, the docs seem to be wherever he last dropped them.  He never had declassification authority, he apparently doesn’t even know what docs he had kept or where they were yet there wasn’t a peep about national security issues like there were with trump.  Is it because they never trust Joe with things of nat’l security or is it because he’s a democrat.

This is just being sanitized, it is in every way as big a problem as trumps was/is.

Ummm, no.

Trust me, man. Don't get your hopes up. This isn't going to turn out the way you'd like. I would refer you to a reputable news organization. This whole situation just shows the world how a normal president is supposed to handle things and how Trump handles things. Sorry. 

Don’t be sorry.  I’m as confused as you are.  I mean, it doesn’t add up.  Somehow the receipts of him having these docs was leaked  because they popped up somewhere where they couldn’t be kept quiet anymore.  He had them for 6 years and no one cared. Then suddenly his lawyers go digging through the stuff in an old office he hadn’t been in in years and turned them over so he could be viewed as the good guy?  Too weird.  They prob would have just shredded the damn things if it hadnt come out somewhere bad that he had them.

there’s reports out that these docs were classified such that they could only be viewed in a SCIF- meaning no one had permission to remove them.  I’m not going all anti trump style and saying they were nuke codes lol, but we do know they are about Ukraine and Iran.  

I'm not confused. Even Trump said last summer that sometimes classified documents get mixed into personal belongings. What's good is the president and his lawyers did the right thing and alerted the far left communist group known as the National Archives right away. What would have been bad is to not say anything, or lie about having them, or refusing to return them because, ya know, that could imply criminal intent. 

Like I said, stark contrast in the right way and the Trump way of handling things. Good for everyone to see. 

The problem is that no one cares how it was handled, that’s silly and for media presentation.  

The fact is that in one case trump was a douche, had docs that everyone knew he had (they were being protected) but wouldn’t turn them over.  Trump unfortunately for those who hate him, had the power to declassify absolutely anything. So anyone who tries to make a crime out of possession is going to come up against the airtight defense of “I declassified everything I removed to Mar A Lago.”  That’s why he hasn’t been charged- leaving the accusation in the air is FAR more valuable than a prosecution that would surely end in his favor.

on the other hand you have a vice president who had no authority to possess classified documents so he’s already looking at the slammer, and don’t expect Barry to step forward and announce that he declassified them, the two don’t like each other.

VP’s only have secret service protection for a few months after they leave office vs trump who has it for life.  So the docs found in Delaware were unsecured from sometime in 2017 to when he become president around late January 2021.

You should get off the pipe. Or call Bull Durham. He’ll get to the bottom of it.

Well we can be sure, unlike during bull durhams probe, and more like a democrat probe like Mueller, there’ll be a few leaks a week for us to enjoy!

Would you agree with both Brandon and POOTWH being investigated and if a grand jury determines a crime had been committed, for them both to be tried, and if convicted, suffer whatever penalty the law and circumstances allow? Would you settle for that?

Absolutely.  That is how the system is supposed to work.

And yet you’re making excuses for POOTWH, making claims that are not accurate in his defence and were mostly silent on here during the Mar-I-Lieo storm trooper raid, confiscation and panty sniffing. Why is that?

So what? You asked me a question and I answered it.  I can come on here when I want to, and haven’t had the time for ages until about a week ago.  Finally hired some folks so I’m not working 80 hour weeks currently anymore.

Making excuses and making shit up, so what? The inability to see why the two individuals and the circumstances involved are vastly different, so what? Ya know, I once had a boss tell me that if you need/have to work more than 40 hours a week, you’re doing something wrong. But to my first two points, this is why ‘Murica is fucked.

making shit up.  You mean like Russia Dillusion? Lol, if I wanted to talk about trump I’d probably post in the trump thread.  There is one, you know- you can go post there if you choose to.  We’re in the Pudding thread. This is the thread where we’re talking about the guy who called Trump irresponsible for having classified documents at Mar A Lago which were protected by secret service agents while he then had them in his own garage the whole time.

Interesting how the right thinks Russia was fake news?

 Is this because Mueller was strong armed by Barr not to prosecute? You know that Putin did help and trump did ask for help? What’s more needed to prove the connection as immoral?

Anyways, please read the attached and enjoy. It’s about the mystery of Santos, who won a House seat that was democrat for twenty years, and after flipping the seat, the times found out everything on his resume was a lie, and was unable to determine how he raised $700k.

Now the post is reporting he has close ties to and received funding from a Russian oligarch. Surprise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/16/george-santos-andrew-intrater-columbus-nova/

The New York congressman once claimed Andrew Intrater’s company was his “client,” while another Intrater company allegedly made a deposit with a firm where Santos worked

Lerxst1992 said:

thanks Hal, I forgot rule 1, I will never beat you or Mick to a news story.

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

My apologies if I missed someone else posting this..but why is Biden’s office being cleaned out two years after he left?  I think whomever was in charge of maintaining classified documents for history is in trouble and that because of the huge mistake they’re now finally looking at what may have been missed in the past.  Just seems strange that two years pass before he decides to have it packed up.  

I think he has maintained that office until very recently.  It's located in DC and part of the Biden Center.  While it's somewhat unusual for someone to be in gov't, leave, then come back, I don't think there was anything unethical or illegal about having the office while president. 

I also heard he had been receiving a 6-figure stipend for maintaining that office.
Which, if true, would piss me off as a student with loans to know my money was going towards paying someone who is never there and doesn't need the money.

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

My apologies if I missed someone else posting this..but why is Biden’s office being cleaned out two years after he left?  I think whomever was in charge of maintaining classified documents for history is in trouble and that because of the huge mistake they’re now finally looking at what may have been missed in the past.  Just seems strange that two years pass before he decides to have it packed up.  

I think he has maintained that office until very recently.  It's located in DC and part of the Biden Center.  While it's somewhat unusual for someone to be in gov't, leave, then come back, I don't think there was anything unethical or illegal about having the office while president. 

I also heard he had been receiving a 6-figure stipend for maintaining that office.
Which, if true, would piss me off as a student with loans to know my money was going towards paying someone who is never there and doesn't need the money.

no. YOUR payments were paying back the money you were loaned. All former POTUS and VP get a budget for office space and USSS protection.

Thats like saying the money isn't going towards my car, its going towards the loan for my car. Same thing, The money was originally used to purchase a car, and I'm paying back the loan. 
And as I understood , the university gave him that salary for being part of whatever that office was. And while a student is paying back student loans, that money that they are paying back went to the university, and some of it went towards paying Biden several hundred thousand dollars to have an office he never used, and was somewhat abandoned. Just not a great use of university funds in my opinion. But I doubt that is uncommon practice. 

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

cblock4life said:

My apologies if I missed someone else posting this..but why is Biden’s office being cleaned out two years after he left?  I think whomever was in charge of maintaining classified documents for history is in trouble and that because of the huge mistake they’re now finally looking at what may have been missed in the past.  Just seems strange that two years pass before he decides to have it packed up.  

I think he has maintained that office until very recently.  It's located in DC and part of the Biden Center.  While it's somewhat unusual for someone to be in gov't, leave, then come back, I don't think there was anything unethical or illegal about having the office while president. 

I also heard he had been receiving a 6-figure stipend for maintaining that office.
Which, if true, would piss me off as a student with loans to know my money was going towards paying someone who is never there and doesn't need the money.

no. YOUR payments were paying back the money you were loaned. All former POTUS and VP get a budget for office space and USSS protection.

Thats like saying the money isn't going towards my car, its going towards the loan for my car. Same thing, The money was originally used to purchase a car, and I'm paying back the loan. 
And as I understood , the university gave him that salary for being part of whatever that office was. And while a student is paying back student loans, that money that they are paying back went to the university, and some of it went towards paying Biden several hundred thousand dollars to have an office he never used, and was somewhat abandoned. Just not a great use of university funds in my opinion. But I doubt that is uncommon practice. 

Penn has a 20 billion dollar endowment.  Biden's office has little to do with its tuition amount or the loans taken by its students. If they wanted to reduce student burden,  they could do that easily.  

Completely agree. Just on principal it would irritate me. Why pay someone high 6 figures to never be there? On principle it would bother me if I was attending that school. Like I said, I'm sure it is common practice, but would still irritate me. I'm guessing the school just wanted his name and thats what they were paying him for. Still a waste of money in my opinion.