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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,243
    mrussel1 said:
    Brandon ought to fire Garland and appoint AOC as AG. Or Hillary.
    i would take the kool aid man at this point. anybody is better than garland.
    Yeah he has been a total disappointment so far! 
    Totally disagree.  He's deliberate and apolitical.  That's what I want from an AG.
    deliberately doing nothing.

    remember the only reason garland even got nominated for the supreme court was obama went to orrin hatch and asked for one name that the gop could tolerate on the bench and hatch said garland. then they didn't even let him come up for a vote.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,243
    why even bother responding to the obvious troll. he literally NEVER speaks policy. just insults "the left", and then leaves to let people get "triggered". waste of time. 
    i don't see anybody getting triggered. most people ignore him, as they should.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    The right way and the Trump way of handling things is on perfect display here.

    https://www.inquirer.com/politics/nation/biden-trump-classified-documents-comparison-explainer-20230112.html

    A side-by-side look at the Trump, Biden classified documents

    A side-by-side look at the similarities and differences between the two situations of President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump.

    FILE - This image contained in a court filing by the Department of Justice on Aug 30 2022 and redacted by in part by the FBI shows a photo of documents seized during the Aug 8 search by the FBI of former President Donald Trumps Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida For years problems with classified materials have been a shortcut to controversy in Washington Department of Justice via AP
    FILE - This image contained in a court filing by the Department of Justice on Aug. 30, 2022, and redacted by in part by the FBI, shows a photo of documents seized during the Aug. 8 search by the FBI of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida. For years, problems with classified materials have been a shortcut to controversy in Washington. (Department of Justice via AP)Read moreUncredited / AP
      by Meg Kinnard, Associated PressPublished 2 hours ago

    The revelation that classified materials were discovered at think tank offices formerly used by President Joe Biden, as well as at his Delaware home, has prompted questions on how the circumstances compare with the seizure last year of hundreds of documents marked as classified from Mar-a-Lago, the Florida residence of former President Donald Trump.

    Attorney General Merrick Garland on Thursday appointed a special counsel to investigate the matter.

    A side-by-side look at the similarities and differences between the two situations:

    How many classified documents are we talking about?

    BIDEN: It’s unclear precisely how many classified materials have been obtained from Biden’s office and home. Richard Sauber, special counsel to the president, said Monday that “a small number of documents with classified markings” were discovered on Nov. 2, 2022, in a locked closet at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement, a think tank in Washington, as Biden’s personal attorneys were clearing out the offices.

    Biden kept an office at the Penn Center after he left the vice presidency in 2017 until shortly before he launched his 2020 presidential campaign. It was affiliated with the University of Pennsylvania and continued to operate independently of the Biden administration.

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    On Thursday, Sauber said a second batch of documents with classified markings — a “small number," he said — had been found in a storage space in Biden's garage in Wilmington, Delaware, with one document being located in Biden's personal library in his home.

    » READ MORE: In Washington, ‘classified’ is synonymous with ‘controversy’

    TRUMP: Roughly 300 documents with classification markings — including some at the top secret level — have been recovered from Trump since he left office in January 2021.

    In January 2022, the National Archives and Records Administration retrieved 15 boxes of documents, telling Justice Department officials they contained "a lot" of classified material. In August, FBI agents took about 33 boxes and containers of 11,000 documents from Mar-a-Lago, including roughly 100 with classification markings found in a storage room and an office.

    How quickly were the classified documents turned over?

    BIDEN: After the materials were discovered at the think tank, Biden's personal attorneys immediately alerted the White House counsel's office, which notified NARA, which took custody of the documents the next day, Sauber said.

    “Since that discovery, the President’s personal attorneys have cooperated with the Archives and the Department of Justice in a process to ensure that any Obama-Biden Administration records are appropriately in the possession of the Archives,” Sauber said in a statement.

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    Part of that cooperation, Sauber said this week, included Biden’s personal lawyers examining other locations where records might have been shipped after Biden left the vice presidency in 2017. That search concluded Wednesday night, Biden told reporters at the White House on Thursday, though he did not say when the second batch of documents was found.

    Sauber said the Justice Department was “immediately notified” after the documents were found at Biden's home and that department lawyers took custody of the records.

    The revelation that additional classified documents were uncovered by Biden’s attorneys came hours after White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre dodged questions about Biden’s handling of classified information and the West Wing’s management of the discovery. She said the White House was committed to handling the matter in the “right way,” pointing to Biden’s personal attorneys’ immediate notification of the National Archives.

    TRUMP: A Trump representative told NARA in December 2021 that presidential records had been found at Mar-a-Lago, nearly a year after Trump left office. Fifteen boxes of records containing some classified material were transferred from Mar-Lago to NARA in January.

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    A few months later, investigators from the Justice Department and FBI visited Mar-a-Lago to get more information about classified materials taken to Florida. Federal officials also served a subpoena for some documents believed to be at the estate.

    In August 2022, FBI agents conducting a search retrieved 33 boxes from Mar-a-Lago. The search came after lawyers for Trump provided a sworn certification that all government records had been returned.

    Could either president face charges related to the discovery of the documents?

    BIDEN: Despite the discovery of classified materials, there is no indication Biden himself was aware of the existence of the records before they were turned over.

    The administration has also said that the records were turned over quickly, without any intent to conceal. That's important because the Justice Department historically looks for willfulness, or an intent to mishandle government secrets, in deciding whether to bring criminal charges.

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    But even if the Justice Department were to find the case prosecutable on the evidence, the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel has concluded that a president is immune from prosecution during his time in office. Former special counsel Robert Mueller cited that guidance in deciding not to reach a conclusion on whether Trump should face charges as part of his investigation into coordination between the 2016 Trump campaign and Russia.

    On Thursday, Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed a special counsel to investigate. Robert Hur, the former Trump-appointed U.S. attorney in Maryland, will lead the investigation. He is taking over from the top Justice Department prosecutor in Chicago, John Lausch, who recommended to Garland last week that a special counsel be appointed.

    TRUMP: The former president possibly faces exposure for obstruction over the protracted battle to retrieve the documents. And, since he's no longer in office, he wouldn't be afforded protections from possible prosecution that would apply to a sitting president.

    In November, Garland appointed Jack Smith, a veteran war crimes prosecutor with a background in public corruption probes, to lead investigations into Trump's retention of classified documents, as well as key aspects of a separate probe involving the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection and efforts to undo the 2020 election.

    What did the presidents have to say about the discovery of the documents?

    BIDEN: Answering questions from journalists at the North American Leaders Summit in Mexico on Tuesday, Biden said he was “surprised to learn" that documents had been found at his think tank. He said he didn't know what was in the material but takes classified documents “very seriously.”

    He said his team acted appropriately by quickly turning the documents over.

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    “They did what they should have done,” Biden said. “They immediately called the Archives.”

    On Thursday, Biden told reporters at the White House that he is “cooperating fully and completely” with a Justice Department investigation into how classified information and government records were stored.

    As vice president, Biden would have had the power to declassify some documents, though he hasn’t said that he declassified the ones found in his think tank offices or Delaware home.

    In September, speaking of the situation with Trump, Biden told CBS' "60 Minutes" that the discovery of top-secret documents at Mar-a-Lago raised concerns that sensitive data was compromised and called it "irresponsible."

    TRUMP: Trump, who had the ability when he was a sitting president to declassify documents, has claimed at times that he did so regarding the documents that he took with him — though he has provided no evidence of that. He said in a Fox News interview in September that a president can declassify material "even by thinking about it."

    The former president has called the Mar-a-Lago search an “unannounced raid” that was “not necessary or appropriate” and represented “dark times for our Nation.”

    Of Biden, Trump weighed in Monday on his social media site, asking, “When is the FBI going to raid the many homes of Joe Biden, perhaps even the White House?”

    What are the political implications of the discovery of the documents?

    BIDEN: Biden's document disclosure could intensify skepticism among Republicans and others who are already claiming that politics is the basis for the probes of the former president.

    There are also possible ramifications in a new, GOP-controlled Congress where Republicans are promising to launch widespread investigations of Biden’s administration.

    Of the latest news, new House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, a California Republican, said, “I think Congress has to investigate this." Contradicting several fellow members of his party, he added, “We don't think there needs to be a special prosecutor.”

    The top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, Ohio Rep. Mike Turner, has requested that intelligence agencies conduct a “damage assessment” of potentially classified documents.

    TRUMP: In its immediate aftermath, Trump and his supporters seized on the Mar-a-Lago search as a partisan attack from Democrats who had long been desirous of removing him from office.

    During his 2024 campaign launch in November, at the same club agents had searched months earlier, Trump referenced the probes against him, casting himself as “a victim” of wayward prosecutors and the “festering, rot and corruption of Washington.”

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  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,242
    As a VP you can’t even take these documents. It doesn’t matter if his lawyers turned them over or not, his possession of them is the issue.

    what the hell was he hiding them for?

    Being the conspiracy theorist I am, I wonder if dementia Joe even knew about them, were they planted by the DNC so they can plant a different candidate?

    i mean, the fact they were found back in early November pre-election, and then on 12/10th we found more in his garage but didn’t say anything until the GOP took over the house, the whole thing reeks.
    Once again you have no idea what you even type. He's the VP...of course he can take the documents.

    It's likely they aren't a very high level unlike the DOD docs that tRump had. But those were OK right?
    What I meant was that trump has the legal argument that he had declassification authority as president for the docs but Biden can’t use that.  He had zero legal reason to have those docs where as trump did
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    As a VP you can’t even take these documents. It doesn’t matter if his lawyers turned them over or not, his possession of them is the issue.

    what the hell was he hiding them for?

    Being the conspiracy theorist I am, I wonder if dementia Joe even knew about them, were they planted by the DNC so they can plant a different candidate?

    i mean, the fact they were found back in early November pre-election, and then on 12/10th we found more in his garage but didn’t say anything until the GOP took over the house, the whole thing reeks.
    Once again you have no idea what you even type. He's the VP...of course he can take the documents.

    It's likely they aren't a very high level unlike the DOD docs that tRump had. But those were OK right?
    What I meant was that trump has the legal argument that he had declassification authority as president for the docs but Biden can’t use that.  He had zero legal reason to have those docs where as trump did
    That's not true.

    Why did Trump lie about having hundreds of classified and top secret documents and why did he refuse to return them even after being subpoenaed? 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,298
    As a VP you can’t even take these documents. It doesn’t matter if his lawyers turned them over or not, his possession of them is the issue.

    what the hell was he hiding them for?

    Being the conspiracy theorist I am, I wonder if dementia Joe even knew about them, were they planted by the DNC so they can plant a different candidate?

    i mean, the fact they were found back in early November pre-election, and then on 12/10th we found more in his garage but didn’t say anything until the GOP took over the house, the whole thing reeks.
    Once again you have no idea what you even type. He's the VP...of course he can take the documents.

    It's likely they aren't a very high level unlike the DOD docs that tRump had. But those were OK right?
    What I meant was that trump has the legal argument that he had declassification authority as president for the docs but Biden can’t use that.  He had zero legal reason to have those docs where as trump did
    False....tRump had no reason to have those docs. Especially the DOD documents. SOme of his own people admitted that.
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,242
    A March 2003 executive order signed by President George W. Bush empowered the vice president to classify sensitive materials. That same executive order grants declassification powers to “the official who authorized the original classification” or “a supervisor official.

    Under the executive order, vice presidents are granted the power to declassify documents they classified themselves. But it’s unclear if the vice president would be viewed as “a supervisory official” with the ability to declassify sensitive documents from the CIA and other intelligence agencies.

    so did Biden classify the docs he then later declassified and had in his garage?


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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598



    Why did Trump lie about having hundreds of classified and top secret documents and why did he refuse to return them even after being subpoenaed? 
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,242



    Why did Trump lie about having hundreds of classified and top secret documents and why did he refuse to return them even after being subpoenaed? 
    I’m not trump so I have no idea, and I was talking about Biden.  

    Biden is allowed to have his own personal lawyers sift through his docs and view the classified ones before handing them over.

    trump had his residence turned over by an armed federal goon squad who grabbed everything without even checking it including passports and prob Melanie’s undies… that is u til a judge told the FBI they had to return the passports as they weren’t part of the warrant.


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  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,242
    Another difference -

    with trump there was a list.  The SS and FBI and archives all knew what he had, where it was, and that the secret service was providing security for it.  With the Big Guy, the docs seem to be wherever he last dropped them.  He never had declassification authority, he apparently doesn’t even know what docs he had kept or where they were yet there wasn’t a peep about national security issues like there were with trump.  Is it because they never trust Joe with things of nat’l security or is it because he’s a democrat.

    This is just being sanitized, it is in every way as big a problem as trumps was/is.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
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    Why did Trump lie about having hundreds of classified and top secret documents and why did he refuse to return them even after being subpoenaed? 
    I’m not trump so I have no idea, and I was talking about Biden.  

    Biden is allowed to have his own personal lawyers sift through his docs and view the classified ones before handing them over.

    trump had his residence turned over by an armed federal goon squad who grabbed everything without even checking it including passports and prob Melanie’s undies… that is u til a judge told the FBI they had to return the passports as they weren’t part of the warrant.


    That is because Trump had over one year to return the documents that he lied about having. He was issued a subpoena and still refused to turn them over. You or I would be in jail if we did the same thing. Why would Trump as a normal citizen be awarded special treatment?

    Trump could have had the exact same treatment as Biden had if he handled things the way a normal president handles things. Instead, he's quite likely going to be indicted for obstruction of justice....which begs the question of why he had hundreds of classified and top secret documents in the first place and why he lied about having them and then refused to return them....in stark contrast to the man he lost to in November of 2020.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Another difference -

    with trump there was a list.  The SS and FBI and archives all knew what he had, where it was, and that the secret service was providing security for it.  With the Big Guy, the docs seem to be wherever he last dropped them.  He never had declassification authority, he apparently doesn’t even know what docs he had kept or where they were yet there wasn’t a peep about national security issues like there were with trump.  Is it because they never trust Joe with things of nat’l security or is it because he’s a democrat.

    This is just being sanitized, it is in every way as big a problem as trumps was/is.
    Ummm, no.

    Trust me, man. Don't get your hopes up. This isn't going to turn out the way you'd like. I would refer you to a reputable news organization. This whole situation just shows the world how a normal president is supposed to handle things and how Trump handles things. Sorry. 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,298
    A March 2003 executive order signed by President George W. Bush empowered the vice president to classify sensitive materials. That same executive order grants declassification powers to “the official who authorized the original classification” or “a supervisor official.

    Under the executive order, vice presidents are granted the power to declassify documents they classified themselves. But it’s unclear if the vice president would be viewed as “a supervisory official” with the ability to declassify sensitive documents from the CIA and other intelligence agencies.

    so did Biden classify the docs he then later declassified and had in his garage?


    Yes...Biden declassified them by thinking about them
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,298
    Another difference -

    with trump there was a list.  The SS and FBI and archives all knew what he had, where it was, and that the secret service was providing security for it.  With the Big Guy, the docs seem to be wherever he last dropped them.  He never had declassification authority, he apparently doesn’t even know what docs he had kept or where they were yet there wasn’t a peep about national security issues like there were with trump.  Is it because they never trust Joe with things of nat’l security or is it because he’s a democrat.

    This is just being sanitized, it is in every way as big a problem as trumps was/is.
    Biden's garage and his old office are not Mar-A-Lago. Don't even try to make that comparison. Hundreds of people don't gather at his garage drinking.
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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,242
    Another difference -

    with trump there was a list.  The SS and FBI and archives all knew what he had, where it was, and that the secret service was providing security for it.  With the Big Guy, the docs seem to be wherever he last dropped them.  He never had declassification authority, he apparently doesn’t even know what docs he had kept or where they were yet there wasn’t a peep about national security issues like there were with trump.  Is it because they never trust Joe with things of nat’l security or is it because he’s a democrat.

    This is just being sanitized, it is in every way as big a problem as trumps was/is.
    Ummm, no.

    Trust me, man. Don't get your hopes up. This isn't going to turn out the way you'd like. I would refer you to a reputable news organization. This whole situation just shows the world how a normal president is supposed to handle things and how Trump handles things. Sorry. 
    Don’t be sorry.  I’m as confused as you are.  I mean, it doesn’t add up.  Somehow the receipts of him having these docs was leaked  because they popped up somewhere where they couldn’t be kept quiet anymore.  He had them for 6 years and no one cared. Then suddenly his lawyers go digging through the stuff in an old office he hadn’t been in in years and turned them over so he could be viewed as the good guy?  Too weird.  They prob would have just shredded the damn things if it hadnt come out somewhere bad that he had them.

    there’s reports out that these docs were classified such that they could only be viewed in a SCIF- meaning no one had permission to remove them.  I’m not going all anti trump style and saying they were nuke codes lol, but we do know they are about Ukraine and Iran.  
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,242
    I mean, let’s keep going on a stoned tangent here-

    lets say they wanted to get rid of Biden.  This may or may not be true, but let’s just go with it for fun.

    we know dems and neocons alike want to get rid of trump and he had his classified doc issue as well.

    let’s say they dirty Biden enough here so he’s not the candidate.  They can accomplish their two goals because they can demand trump be subjected to the same treatment, and not be a candidate. They can accomplish both AND paint democrats as morally righteous and republicans as evil hypocrites to boot.  A triple win.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    edited January 2023
    Another difference -

    with trump there was a list.  The SS and FBI and archives all knew what he had, where it was, and that the secret service was providing security for it.  With the Big Guy, the docs seem to be wherever he last dropped them.  He never had declassification authority, he apparently doesn’t even know what docs he had kept or where they were yet there wasn’t a peep about national security issues like there were with trump.  Is it because they never trust Joe with things of nat’l security or is it because he’s a democrat.

    This is just being sanitized, it is in every way as big a problem as trumps was/is.
    Ummm, no.

    Trust me, man. Don't get your hopes up. This isn't going to turn out the way you'd like. I would refer you to a reputable news organization. This whole situation just shows the world how a normal president is supposed to handle things and how Trump handles things. Sorry. 
    Don’t be sorry.  I’m as confused as you are.  I mean, it doesn’t add up.  Somehow the receipts of him having these docs was leaked  because they popped up somewhere where they couldn’t be kept quiet anymore.  He had them for 6 years and no one cared. Then suddenly his lawyers go digging through the stuff in an old office he hadn’t been in in years and turned them over so he could be viewed as the good guy?  Too weird.  They prob would have just shredded the damn things if it hadnt come out somewhere bad that he had them.

    there’s reports out that these docs were classified such that they could only be viewed in a SCIF- meaning no one had permission to remove them.  I’m not going all anti trump style and saying they were nuke codes lol, but we do know they are about Ukraine and Iran.  
    I'm not confused. Even Trump said last summer that sometimes classified documents get mixed into personal belongings. What's good is the president and his lawyers did the right thing and alerted the far left communist group known as the National Archives right away. What would have been bad is to not say anything, or lie about having them, or refusing to return them because, ya know, that could imply criminal intent. 

    Like I said, stark contrast in the right way and the Trump way of handling things. Good for everyone to see. 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,298
    I mean, let’s keep going on a stoned tangent here-

    lets say they wanted to get rid of Biden.  This may or may not be true, but let’s just go with it for fun.

    we know dems and neocons alike want to get rid of trump and he had his classified doc issue as well.

    let’s say they dirty Biden enough here so he’s not the candidate.  They can accomplish their two goals because they can demand trump be subjected to the same treatment, and not be a candidate. They can accomplish both AND paint democrats as morally righteous and republicans as evil hypocrites to boot.  A triple win.
    The classified doc issue is the least of tRump's worries. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    I mean, let’s keep going on a stoned tangent here-

    lets say they wanted to get rid of Biden.  This may or may not be true, but let’s just go with it for fun.

    we know dems and neocons alike want to get rid of trump and he had his classified doc issue as well.

    let’s say they dirty Biden enough here so he’s not the candidate.  They can accomplish their two goals because they can demand trump be subjected to the same treatment, and not be a candidate. They can accomplish both AND paint democrats as morally righteous and republicans as evil hypocrites to boot.  A triple win.
    Woops....your brain malfunctioned again. 


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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,298
    Another difference -

    with trump there was a list.  The SS and FBI and archives all knew what he had, where it was, and that the secret service was providing security for it.  With the Big Guy, the docs seem to be wherever he last dropped them.  He never had declassification authority, he apparently doesn’t even know what docs he had kept or where they were yet there wasn’t a peep about national security issues like there were with trump.  Is it because they never trust Joe with things of nat’l security or is it because he’s a democrat.

    This is just being sanitized, it is in every way as big a problem as trumps was/is.
    Ummm, no.

    Trust me, man. Don't get your hopes up. This isn't going to turn out the way you'd like. I would refer you to a reputable news organization. This whole situation just shows the world how a normal president is supposed to handle things and how Trump handles things. Sorry. 
    Don’t be sorry.  I’m as confused as you are.  I mean, it doesn’t add up.  Somehow the receipts of him having these docs was leaked  because they popped up somewhere where they couldn’t be kept quiet anymore.  He had them for 6 years and no one cared. Then suddenly his lawyers go digging through the stuff in an old office he hadn’t been in in years and turned them over so he could be viewed as the good guy?  Too weird.  They prob would have just shredded the damn things if it hadnt come out somewhere bad that he had them.

    there’s reports out that these docs were classified such that they could only be viewed in a SCIF- meaning no one had permission to remove them.  I’m not going all anti trump style and saying they were nuke codes lol, but we do know they are about Ukraine and Iran.  
    They were clearing out his old office and found them and they did what they should have done and reported them.

    After finding those Biden likely ordered a sweep of everything else so that there would be no questions dragging on by dipshit republicans.

    Biden can be trusted. tRump cannot.
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