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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,617
    edited January 2023
    The virus kills people  not just by cardiac arrest. By many ways. Mainly lungs pneumonia . That would be excess deaths 
     I do not think  its more dangerous than the original  covid.  But i do think  it has dangers we dont fully know with clarity yet i think  is where im at.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,341
    The virus kills people  not just by cardiac arrest. By many ways. Mainly lungs pneumonia . That would be excess deaths 
     I do not think  its more dangerous than the original  covid.  But i do think  it has dangers we dont fully know with clarity yet i think  is where im at.

    I guess i don't understand why you think the excess deaths can't be talked about, or why you suggested the uptick in heart attacks is related to the vaccine when that trend started before the vaccine rollout. 


    There have been cryptic comments made about "the truth" in the last several days, but when pressed, no one has said what this truth is. 
  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,617
    edited January 2023
    Nothing  cryptic things get removed or taken down if you speak about them. 
    Lots of people who post on you tube or whatever  have videos removed. I watch a dr. Campbell  who just goes through studies and peer reviewed  papers and he cannot mention anything  to do with  vaccine induced  myocarditis or pericardyitis with out the algorithms  taking it down. I dont understand  why it cant be  debated. Russell brand has had the  same thing  it gets removed. Why is all i don't  understand.  Let people talk about it.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,341
    Nothing  cryptic things get removed or taken down if you speak about them. 
    Lots of people who post on you tube or whatever  have videos removed. I watch a dr. Campbell  who just goes through studies and peer reviewed  papers and he cannot mention anything  to do with  vaccine induced  myocarditis or pericardyitis with out the algorithms  taking it down. I dont understand  why it cant be  debated. Russell brand has had the  same thing  it gets removed. Why is all i don't  understand.  Let people talk about it.
    Are they also blaming the vaccine for the uptick in heart attacks? 

    It's a misleading statement to suggest the trend started with the vaccine. You get that, right? 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,135
    I haven't any posts taken down here. we're talking here. if there were posts taken down on youtube, I'd need to know context. Maybe there was one comment in a 30 minute video as the reason why. who knows. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • I haven't any posts taken down here. we're talking here. if there were posts taken down on youtube, I'd need to know context. Maybe there was one comment in a 30 minute video as the reason why. who knows. 
    The whole video are taken down. Not frim a comment.  The content isnt allowed.
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  • Are they also blaming the vaccine for the uptick in heart attacks? 

    It's a misleading statement to suggest the trend started with the vaccine. You get that, right? 
    The  trend didn't start
     It grew by a bigger margin. Covid causes heart issues. Also diabetes in some. Lung disease in others. But the incidence of heart problems  seemed  to get higher after mrna was introduced. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,135
    yes, I know the whole video is taken down. I mean it might have been taken down not because of the larger content of the video, but something else not related to what you think it got taken down for (i wasn't referring to comments on the video; IN the video). 

    either way, if you have something showing what you are talking about (video, links to peer viewed studies, etc). post em. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,617
    edited January 2023
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,341
    The  trend didn't start
     It grew by a bigger margin. Covid causes heart issues. Also diabetes in some. Lung disease in others. But the incidence of heart problems  seemed  to get higher after mrna was introduced. 
    It could also have been caused by the continued spread of covid in the second year of the pandemic. 
  • https://youtu.be/-MSKzoI72eU
    This is in the  house of parliament.  Peer reviewed. Its on our news. Not from  some  quack
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  • The swine flu vaccine was removed  for 1 in 100.000 yellow card events. 
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,316
    The whole video are taken down. Not frim a comment.  The content isnt allowed.
    If I'm understanding correctly, the timeline of events as you see them, seems to be:
    1) Content gets posted
    2) Some sort of content filter (either a human one or an automated one) flags the content as controversial
    3) The internet is scraped for facsimiles of the found content by said filtering team/algorithm
    4) The source content is deleted (without discussion or debate or warning)
    5) The found facsimiles are deleted or people are pressured into deleting it (without discussion or debate or warning)
    6) Those who saw the content are subsequently gaslit into believing they were wrong about what they saw/read
    7) The details are added to a list of things to make sure never get posted in the future

    No disrespect, but I can't see how this makes sense. When something gets posted on a website, it's typically scraped by digital services automatically, and often downloaded and shared by people who find the content compelling. This is even more likely on a site like YouTube, which produces upwards of 10% of the world's internet traffic. Both of these initiatives can/do take place within minutes.

    What authority do content flaggers have to compel other entities, not owned by them, to remove content (assuming the content is also not owned by them)? How are there never any 'close calls' or whistleblowers who respond negatively to the pressure campaign to close them down? The idea of a global suppression effort successfully hiding 'truths' about a highly viral and controversial topic such as CoVID-19 is virtually impossible on the internet of 2023.

    What I would like to know, is where this content that people are adamant that they once saw and then disappeared, has gone. Is it there, buried under more honest and/or popular content? Was it self-deleted (and why)? Have they somehow lost their ability to find it once more given a flood of new information? Are there algorithms suddenly burying the content (meaning it's still there, but one isn't likely to encounter it)? I don't have any answers to these (yet), but I'm really grateful for you carrying on this conversation with me, lastexitlondon :) 
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  • benjs said:
    If I'm understanding correctly, the timeline of events as you see them, seems to be:
    1) Content gets posted
    2) Some sort of content filter (either a human one or an automated one) flags the content as controversial
    3) The internet is scraped for facsimiles of the found content by said filtering team/algorithm
    4) The source content is deleted (without discussion or debate or warning)
    5) The found facsimiles are deleted or people are pressured into deleting it (without discussion or debate or warning)
    6) Those who saw the content are subsequently gaslit into believing they were wrong about what they saw/read
    7) The details are added to a list of things to make sure never get posted in the future

    No disrespect, but I can't see how this makes sense. When something gets posted on a website, it's typically scraped by digital services automatically, and often downloaded and shared by people who find the content compelling. This is even more likely on a site like YouTube, which produces upwards of 10% of the world's internet traffic. Both of these initiatives can/do take place within minutes.

    What authority do content flaggers have to compel other entities, not owned by them, to remove content (assuming the content is also not owned by them)? How are there never any 'close calls' or whistleblowers who respond negatively to the pressure campaign to close them down? The idea of a global suppression effort successfully hiding 'truths' about a highly viral and controversial topic such as CoVID-19 is virtually impossible on the internet of 2023.

    What I would like to know, is where this content that people are adamant that they once saw and then disappeared, has gone. Is it there, buried under more honest and/or popular content? Was it self-deleted (and why)? Have they somehow lost their ability to find it once more given a flood of new information? Are there algorithms suddenly burying the content (meaning it's still there, but one isn't likely to encounter it)? I don't have any answers to these (yet), but I'm really grateful for you carrying on this conversation with me, lastexitlondon :) 
    No worries.  Im happy to conversate.
    No. videos with content that doesn't  fit the guidelines get taken down. So the  guidelines are set by lets say you tube as its the only social media (if it is ) that i have. 
    They choose  whats allowed. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,135
    https://youtu.be/-MSKzoI72eU
    This is in the  house of parliament.  Peer reviewed. Its on our news. Not from  some  quack
    thanks for the video rob. I'll digest and comment later. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,430
    Where as everyone  else here seems to be able to just conversate and be sensible  you  seem to be a little condescending.  No need my friend.  No need
    I’m being a sarcastic twat because you’re avoiding backing up your claim you made earlier, and one of the norms in here, which makes the discussions much better, is that people quote and link their sources. 
  • For  example  the  video i posted . The dr. Couldnt say that stuff but he could post a video of a member of parliament  reading peer reviewed studies to the house. 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,341
    https://youtu.be/-MSKzoI72eU
    This is in the  house of parliament.  Peer reviewed. Its on our news. Not from  some  quack
    Some interesting stuff in there. I'm going to rewatch when I have more time as I couldn't devote 100% of my attention to it. 

    On it's face, it seemed to dramatically understate the effectiveness of the vaccine, but I also can't disprove that... I am interested to hear / read more about this. 

    Thanks for posting. 
  • I’m being a sarcastic twat because you’re avoiding backing up your claim you made earlier, and one of the norms in here, which makes the discussions much better, is that people quote and link their sources. 
    That aged well . I agree you are
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  • Some interesting stuff in there. I'm going to rewatch when I have more time as I couldn't devote 100% of my attention to it. 

    On it's face, it seemed to dramatically understate the effectiveness of the vaccine, but I also can't disprove that... I am interested to hear / read more about this. 

    Thanks for posting. 
    I do agree . Some interesting  stuff  i re watched  it to make sure  i dont get absolutely  hammered . And i appreciate the  conversation 
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,430
    The whole video are taken down. Not frim a comment.  The content isnt allowed.
    Youtube is for music and learning how to play In Hiding on guitar, not for giving credibility to people who don’t support their claims. . Dr Campbell should have a web page with links to his sources. 
  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,617
    edited January 2023
    Youtube is for music and learning how to play In Hiding on guitar, not for giving credibility to people who don’t support their claims. . Dr Campbell should have a web page with links to his sources. 
    He does have that infact go look..He only ever reads peer reviewed  studies..And this is a member  of parliament not dr. Campbell in the video. And i learned in hiding. Sorry  i dont have facebook or twitter. You  my friend  are a waste of time.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,135
    I find it interesting that this is in his "about" section of his youtube channel:

    Disclaimer; These media including videos, book, e book, articles, podcasts are not peer-reviewed. They should never replace individual clinical judgement from your own health care provider. No media-based material on this channel is suitable for using as professional medical advice. All comments are also for educational purposed only and must never replace advice from your own health care provider.

    is that only for potential liability issues?
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • He is a medical  teacher and always says consult your own dr as he cant prescribe or advice on your medical needs. He also has written books. And i believe  the paragraph above is about  his teaching videos. Liability 
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,617
    edited January 2023
    He clearly states what is peer reviewed  in every  video and includes  in the description of every video and the one i posted is not him talking. 
     He is not relevant to the  peer reviewed information  being  read in parliament 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,341
    He does have that infact go look..He only ever reads peer reviewed  studies..And this is a member  of parliament not dr. Campbell in the video. And i learned in hiding. Sorry  i dont have facebook or twitter. You  my friend  are a waste of time.
    If your parliament is anything like our congress, being a member doesn't imply credibility, if anything it brings added scrutiny because you know... politics. 
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,430
    He does have that infact go look..He only ever reads peer reviewed  studies..And this is a member  of parliament not dr. Campbell in the video. And i learned in hiding. Sorry  i dont have facebook or twitter. You  my friend  are a waste of time.
    It’s clear you’re enjoying the back and forth here while pretending to be a Luddite. People talking on youtube might be interesting, but I’m more into reviewing the original studies and not having a guy with an agenda interpret it for me. It’s interesting the Dr Campbell only uses youtube for his sources. 
  • If your parliament is anything like our congress, being a member doesn't imply credibility, if anything it brings added scrutiny because you know... politics. 
    No its not. This  man is reading  peer reviewed studies to the house. Not hearsay or myth. Facts from medical professionals.  I can't  really add much more than  thats what is happening and its relevant  and interesting to see . I wish everyone well and good health. 
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  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 740
    https://youtu.be/-MSKzoI72eU
    This is in the  house of parliament.  Peer reviewed. Its on our news. Not from  some  quack
    Thank you for posting this. I'll rewatch it tonight
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