Cancellation Notice For Vienna, Austria

PeArLgOoNeR · July 2022

lastexitlondon said:

Most everyone i know got covid this euro tour its very very contagious

My brother tested positive 2 days after Copenhagen.. I somehow dodged it..
Just happy we got our 3 shows in before he got it

southernmanfan · July 2022

coach pj said:

Over all the years of following the band and going to shows I have been on this end, most recently Sacramento and Vegas (London 2018 and SF 1995, and a EV show in Vegas).

I have come to cherish the shows when they happen and not even contemplate length of shows, number of songs, what they played, etc. I am just happy when the show happens and I am reminded why I feel the way I feel about their music.

I get it people travelled and lost time and money. It sounds like the band tried to make it happen.

It’s disappointing no doubt, but big picture I hope EV is okay and they continue on.

Ditto.

Nice to see appreciative and sensible posts on here too. Really sorry for all my fellow fans.

Force Of Nature · July 2022

PeArLgOoNeR said:

lastexitlondon said:

Most everyone i know got covid this euro tour its very very contagious

My brother tested positive 2 days after Copenhagen.. I somehow dodged it..
Just happy we got our 3 shows in before he got it

Still dealing with it after hyde park, still symptoms, still positive.

ConorKavanagh · July 2022

I felt so bad for the people I met yesterday for whom this was their only show. I believe the band gave the show every chance of taking place yesterday.

Zootrum · July 2022

mcgruff10 said:

Zootrum said:

Of course, that's clear, although personally that would have been a comfort to me.
But I'll stick with it: The cancellation came very (too) late. And I also find the prompt cancellation a pity instead of at least sounding out an alternative date (despite the logistics). This was obviously not even considered.

In your opinion, when would have been an acceptable time to cancel? Sounds like it was a game time decision.

To wrap it all up (it is what it is anyway): Of course I know that the band would have loved to play. They are also aware that many fans are sad and disappointed, and that many of them have gone through (travel) hardships for nothing (in the end despite Vienna is a nice city).

Of course, health has top priority. Always and for everyone.

Of course it is also nonsense to think of a Show "Light" without EV as an alternative.

But one thing is still a bit strange for me: in front of the Vienna Stadthalle you can actually always hear quite well whether and that a soundcheck is being played. Apart from a drum check at around 4, I didn't hear anything. I mean, if the band still had really believed in a show in the afternoon, they would have had to/wanted to do a proper band soundcheck (without Eddie), right?

And then we're back to the timing of the announcement and the merch sales aspect. So we are a bit left with the bitter taste that pecunia non olet is not entirely incorrect in the PJ Camp too.

Off to Prague.

Force Of Nature · July 2022

I wouldn’t read anything into the merch thing. They are literally selling posters to cancelled shows on the website and some fans are buying them. Pearl jam fans will buy anything, even if it’s show merch for a show that didn’t happen

ConorKavanagh · July 2022

The band are entitled to sell their products as well, let's remember that! Let's not be too offended by them moving the merch that was indoors to the outside tent. Probably if they hadn't done that, people would be saying it was ridiculous that they didn't make an effort to bring out the merch!

JPPJ84 · July 2022

ConorKavanagh said:

The band are entitled to sell their products as well, let's remember that! Let's not be too offended by them moving the merch that was indoors to the outside tent. Probably if they hadn't done that, people would be saying it was ridiculous that they didn't make an effort to bring out the merch!

And judging by the huge line people wanted to buy merch afterwards

ConorKavanagh · July 2022

I understand people being angry and upset that the show didn't happen, but they don't need to take merch being sold as some kind of sleight.

Bentleyspop · July 2022

https://twitter.com/JasonIsbell/status/1549972085329608704?t=dtIN0X8Gp-3RGEm5sYZ9Fw&s=19

Nick Namenone · July 2022

Zootrum said:

mcgruff10 said:

Zootrum said:

Of course, that's clear, although personally that would have been a comfort to me.
But I'll stick with it: The cancellation came very (too) late. And I also find the prompt cancellation a pity instead of at least sounding out an alternative date (despite the logistics). This was obviously not even considered.

In your opinion, when would have been an acceptable time to cancel? Sounds like it was a game time decision.

To wrap it all up (it is what it is anyway): Of course I know that the band would have loved to play. They are also aware that many fans are sad and disappointed, and that many of them have gone through (travel) hardships for nothing (in the end despite Vienna is a nice city).

Of course, health has top priority. Always and for everyone.

Of course it is also nonsense to think of a Show "Light" without EV as an alternative.

But one thing is still a bit strange for me: in front of the Vienna Stadthalle you can actually always hear quite well whether and that a soundcheck is being played. Apart from a drum check at around 4, I didn't hear anything. I mean, if the band still had really believed in a show in the afternoon, they would have had to/wanted to do a proper band soundcheck (without Eddie), right?

And then we're back to the timing of the announcement and the merch sales aspect. So we are a bit left with the bitter taste that pecunia non olet is not entirely incorrect in the PJ Camp too.

Off to Prague.

Bands don’t sound check every day. You probably heard a line check where the techs test the instruments and the mixers adjust their sounds. Sometimes the techs will even play a song.

Chaos7theory · July 2022

PeArLgOoNeR said:

thartley582 said:

Well it's definitely a major gut check moment as a "since the beginning" follower of this band; 2+years in the making, planning an entire Austria trip around this event, landing amazing tickets only to be turned around by a random fan at 1645 local time.

No words can describe how it feels, especially given my previous show experiences, but not the time and place for those experiences.

That said, I absolutely stand by how this went down, sucks, yeah, but I mean if you follow this band you know EV especially gives heart and soul for the fans/followers/listeners. They all do.

I had a bad vibe with the press coming out of the Paris sbow, and had this sneaking suspicion something wasn't right.

So I hope EV gets better, and Stone (happy birthday), McCready, Cameron, Ament and company find a solid footing to resume either performances and/or especially continuing this creative journey. Not many bands like them, so shit happens, we don't own anything, chance can be both a plus or a minus in human terms.

I'll get my money back, have had a phenomenal two week trip in Austria, and will have another opportunity.

Still stings like a mad hornet though, travel, money, planning, expectations etc Its that old saying (I'm getting it wrong): Stress/Pain amplifies when one's expectations are vastly different than ones actually reality.

Tschuss.

What was the press coming out of the Paris show?

Thanks for pointing out my poor choice of words, "press" was absolutely not the correct term (had a few too many after the soul crushing cancelation last night - my ability to articulate was off lol).

Mainly after reading a few set list "show reviews" on forums there were a few mentions of "show/song stopped due to crowd issues / conditions" type comments. And following them I noticed every show they posted up the set list pretty quickly, but with Paris there seemed to be a lag.

Again, my intuition kicked in and I just pieced together in my mind a bad "vibe" about Wien show. Unfortunately my gut feeling was correct.

So no "press" to speak of, seriously thanks for catching that so I could correct.

Zootrum · July 2022

Nick Namenone said:

Zootrum said:

mcgruff10 said:

Zootrum said:

Of course, that's clear, although personally that would have been a comfort to me.
But I'll stick with it: The cancellation came very (too) late. And I also find the prompt cancellation a pity instead of at least sounding out an alternative date (despite the logistics). This was obviously not even considered.

In your opinion, when would have been an acceptable time to cancel? Sounds like it was a game time decision.

To wrap it all up (it is what it is anyway): Of course I know that the band would have loved to play. They are also aware that many fans are sad and disappointed, and that many of them have gone through (travel) hardships for nothing (in the end despite Vienna is a nice city).

Of course, health has top priority. Always and for everyone.

Of course it is also nonsense to think of a Show "Light" without EV as an alternative.

But one thing is still a bit strange for me: in front of the Vienna Stadthalle you can actually always hear quite well whether and that a soundcheck is being played. Apart from a drum check at around 4, I didn't hear anything. I mean, if the band still had really believed in a show in the afternoon, they would have had to/wanted to do a proper band soundcheck (without Eddie), right?

And then we're back to the timing of the announcement and the merch sales aspect. So we are a bit left with the bitter taste that pecunia non olet is not entirely incorrect in the PJ Camp too.

Off to Prague.

Bands don’t sound check every day. You probably heard a line check where the techs test the instruments and the mixers adjust their sounds. Sometimes the techs will even play a song.

I am aware of that. Nevertheless, as far as I know the band usually does a soundcheck (for non festival shows at least).

Even more so when you know how problematic they consider the sound in this specific hall.

I can't imagine that they would have only done a line check this year after their experiences in 2014.

pdalowsky · July 2022

We all know how disappointing these situations are, I experienced it in london also in 2018, but some of the comments in this thread are borderline ridiculous.

Much of the decision making made in these scenarios are born out of contracts and insurance surely.

I was thinking I'd happily take a few nights of acoustic shows in Amsterdam if it was kinder on the voice........I think they could go down as some of the most memorable shows of the year if that happened. But its unlikely given there are probably all kinds of things to consider before that could even go ahead

Annafalk · July 2022

We love you Eddie, hope you’ll get better soon !
It’s nothing anyone can rush, it can take some time to get better.

This shows how everyone and everything is somehow connected in this world.

Gern Blansten · July 2022

ConorKavanagh said:

The band are entitled to sell their products as well, let's remember that! Let's not be too offended by them moving the merch that was indoors to the outside tent. Probably if they hadn't done that, people would be saying it was ridiculous that they didn't make an effort to bring out the merch!

I'm the one that brought that up in defense of PJ. Someone had said that they waited until the outdoor merch was sold out before they cancelled which is ridiculous. They moved the indoor merch to the outdoor tent AFTER cancelling.

Gern Blansten · July 2022

Zootrum said:

Nick Namenone said:

Zootrum said:

mcgruff10 said:

Zootrum said:

Of course, that's clear, although personally that would have been a comfort to me.
But I'll stick with it: The cancellation came very (too) late. And I also find the prompt cancellation a pity instead of at least sounding out an alternative date (despite the logistics). This was obviously not even considered.

In your opinion, when would have been an acceptable time to cancel? Sounds like it was a game time decision.

To wrap it all up (it is what it is anyway): Of course I know that the band would have loved to play. They are also aware that many fans are sad and disappointed, and that many of them have gone through (travel) hardships for nothing (in the end despite Vienna is a nice city).

Of course, health has top priority. Always and for everyone.

Of course it is also nonsense to think of a Show "Light" without EV as an alternative.

But one thing is still a bit strange for me: in front of the Vienna Stadthalle you can actually always hear quite well whether and that a soundcheck is being played. Apart from a drum check at around 4, I didn't hear anything. I mean, if the band still had really believed in a show in the afternoon, they would have had to/wanted to do a proper band soundcheck (without Eddie), right?

And then we're back to the timing of the announcement and the merch sales aspect. So we are a bit left with the bitter taste that pecunia non olet is not entirely incorrect in the PJ Camp too.

Off to Prague.

Bands don’t sound check every day. You probably heard a line check where the techs test the instruments and the mixers adjust their sounds. Sometimes the techs will even play a song.

I am aware of that. Nevertheless, as far as I know the band usually does a soundcheck (for non festival shows at least).
Even more so when you know how problematic they consider the sound in this specific hall.
I can't imagine that they would have only done a line check this year after their experiences in 2014.

EV wouldn't have to sing over a PA to know whether or not he could sing. He can sing in his hotel room and make a decision like that.

Zootrum · July 2022

Gern Blansten said:

ConorKavanagh said:

The band are entitled to sell their products as well, let's remember that! Let's not be too offended by them moving the merch that was indoors to the outside tent. Probably if they hadn't done that, people would be saying it was ridiculous that they didn't make an effort to bring out the merch!

I'm the one that brought that up in defense of PJ. Someone had said that they waited until the outdoor merch was sold out before they cancelled which is ridiculous. They moved the indoor merch to the outdoor tent AFTER cancelling.

If this refers to a statement of mine, for clarification: I said, cynically, one could conclude that....

But I did not imply that. I'm a big fan of this band not only for their music but also for the way they treat their fans, so I don't believe in that.

But if someone wants to tell me that yesterday's procedures was optimal in the light that the vocal problems had apparently been massive for days - regardless of who and which contracts are responsible for it - that's putting on a bit too much of a bow.

Zootrum · July 2022

Gern Blansten said:

Zootrum said:

Nick Namenone said:

Zootrum said:

mcgruff10 said:

Zootrum said:

Of course, that's clear, although personally that would have been a comfort to me.
But I'll stick with it: The cancellation came very (too) late. And I also find the prompt cancellation a pity instead of at least sounding out an alternative date (despite the logistics). This was obviously not even considered.

In your opinion, when would have been an acceptable time to cancel? Sounds like it was a game time decision.

To wrap it all up (it is what it is anyway): Of course I know that the band would have loved to play. They are also aware that many fans are sad and disappointed, and that many of them have gone through (travel) hardships for nothing (in the end despite Vienna is a nice city).

Of course, health has top priority. Always and for everyone.

Of course it is also nonsense to think of a Show "Light" without EV as an alternative.

But one thing is still a bit strange for me: in front of the Vienna Stadthalle you can actually always hear quite well whether and that a soundcheck is being played. Apart from a drum check at around 4, I didn't hear anything. I mean, if the band still had really believed in a show in the afternoon, they would have had to/wanted to do a proper band soundcheck (without Eddie), right?

And then we're back to the timing of the announcement and the merch sales aspect. So we are a bit left with the bitter taste that pecunia non olet is not entirely incorrect in the PJ Camp too.

Off to Prague.

Bands don’t sound check every day. You probably heard a line check where the techs test the instruments and the mixers adjust their sounds. Sometimes the techs will even play a song.

I am aware of that. Nevertheless, as far as I know the band usually does a soundcheck (for non festival shows at least).
Even more so when you know how problematic they consider the sound in this specific hall.
I can't imagine that they would have only done a line check this year after their experiences in 2014.

EV wouldn't have to sing over a PA to know whether or not he could sing. He can sing in his hotel room and make a decision like that.

Yes, but the band would have liked to know the conditions in the hall in case there would actually hade been a show, right?

JimmyV · July 2022

Zootrum said:

Gern Blansten said:

Zootrum said:

Nick Namenone said:

Zootrum said:

mcgruff10 said:

Zootrum said:

Of course, that's clear, although personally that would have been a comfort to me.
But I'll stick with it: The cancellation came very (too) late. And I also find the prompt cancellation a pity instead of at least sounding out an alternative date (despite the logistics). This was obviously not even considered.

In your opinion, when would have been an acceptable time to cancel? Sounds like it was a game time decision.

To wrap it all up (it is what it is anyway): Of course I know that the band would have loved to play. They are also aware that many fans are sad and disappointed, and that many of them have gone through (travel) hardships for nothing (in the end despite Vienna is a nice city).

Of course, health has top priority. Always and for everyone.

Of course it is also nonsense to think of a Show "Light" without EV as an alternative.

But one thing is still a bit strange for me: in front of the Vienna Stadthalle you can actually always hear quite well whether and that a soundcheck is being played. Apart from a drum check at around 4, I didn't hear anything. I mean, if the band still had really believed in a show in the afternoon, they would have had to/wanted to do a proper band soundcheck (without Eddie), right?

And then we're back to the timing of the announcement and the merch sales aspect. So we are a bit left with the bitter taste that pecunia non olet is not entirely incorrect in the PJ Camp too.

Off to Prague.

Bands don’t sound check every day. You probably heard a line check where the techs test the instruments and the mixers adjust their sounds. Sometimes the techs will even play a song.

I am aware of that. Nevertheless, as far as I know the band usually does a soundcheck (for non festival shows at least).
Even more so when you know how problematic they consider the sound in this specific hall.
I can't imagine that they would have only done a line check this year after their experiences in 2014.

EV wouldn't have to sing over a PA to know whether or not he could sing. He can sing in his hotel room and make a decision like that.

Yes, but the band would have liked to know the conditions in the hall in case there would actually hade been a show, right?

In a perfect scenario, which this was not, perhaps. But after all this time I have no doubt Pearl Jam would have been able to play a show without any such prep by the band themselves.

Cancellation Notice For Vienna, Austria

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