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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,707
    Give security detail immunity for testimony! 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,707
    Man it could be that he doesn’t get charged too! So who knows 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,665
    edited June 2022
    josevolution said:
    I’m not sure what else anyone with a sound mind might need to call this a chargeable offense by a losing president leading a coup! I’m just hoping we can get a ruling of him never ever being able to run for any public office again.

    Unfortunately, I think barring 45 from ever being able to run for POTUS again is the best one can hope for.  Sending him to jail (I doubt that will happen) would create a shit storm we probably don't want to see. 

    Edit:  It won't happen, but add to that, take away his fucking number and forget he ever happened!
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  • Go Beavers
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    Cropduster-80 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    tbergs said:
    It sounds like most of her testimony is hearsay. Bring in the people she is naming as the source to the information if you want charges to come forth. 
    I’m not watching but that’s what I was wondering. His word against hers will result in nothing happening. 
    She  heard the White House council say x.  It’s first hand there. Then it’s pretty much going to force the White House counsel to answer questions. That’s first hand to trump 

    she put a lot of these people in much tougher positions than they were in yesterday 
    I guess I’m thinking more about Trump voters. Most will say the witnesses are lying. The others won’t care because nothing is worse than electing a Socialist democrat who is going to destroy their way of life. 

    I have very low expectations about legal outcomes for Trump since he’s had zero consequences up to now. 
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited June 2022
    Go Beavers said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    tbergs said:
    It sounds like most of her testimony is hearsay. Bring in the people she is naming as the source to the information if you want charges to come forth. 
    I’m not watching but that’s what I was wondering. His word against hers will result in nothing happening. 
    She  heard the White House council say x.  It’s first hand there. Then it’s pretty much going to force the White House counsel to answer questions. That’s first hand to trump 

    she put a lot of these people in much tougher positions than they were in yesterday 
    I guess I’m thinking more about Trump voters. Most will say the witnesses are lying. The others won’t care because nothing is worse than electing a Socialist democrat who is going to destroy their way of life. 

    I have very low expectations about legal outcomes for Trump since he’s had zero consequences up to now. 
    My expectations are low too. 

    Plus Trumpers with even basic morals like her just killed their career. Whoever is left, is pretty much the worst of the worst.  That’s who’s staffing the next administration if he wins 

    it may not be helping anything 


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  • pjhawks
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    Go Beavers said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    tbergs said:
    It sounds like most of her testimony is hearsay. Bring in the people she is naming as the source to the information if you want charges to come forth. 
    I’m not watching but that’s what I was wondering. His word against hers will result in nothing happening. 
    She  heard the White House council say x.  It’s first hand there. Then it’s pretty much going to force the White House counsel to answer questions. That’s first hand to trump 

    she put a lot of these people in much tougher positions than they were in yesterday 
    I guess I’m thinking more about Trump voters. Most will say the witnesses are lying. The others won’t care because nothing is worse than electing a Socialist democrat who is going to destroy their way of life. 

    I have very low expectations about legal outcomes for Trump since he’s had zero consequences up to now. 
    I’m thinking the most likely outcome will be he agrees to never run again in lieu of being prosecuted. But that is my take now but let’s see if there is any direct electronic evidence. 
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,254
    dudes, the committee has him. each witness is tying trump more and more to this and that it was planned ahead of time. they would not be doing all of this to present this evidence just to let him off with no punishment. doj is going to be forced to charge and arrest him. this committee is going to make the mueller report look like some lullaby you sing a child to sleep with.
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  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited June 2022
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    dudes, the committee has him. each witness is tying trump more and more to this and that it was planned ahead of time. they would not be doing all of this to present this evidence just to let him off with no punishment. doj is going to be forced to charge and arrest him. this committee is going to make the mueller report look like some lullaby you sing a child to sleep with.
    He will just run for president from jail, pardon himself and then who knows what 

    There is historical precedent. In 1992, Lyndon LaRouche became the second person in U.S. history (after Eugene Debs) to run for president from a prison cell.

    the DOJ probably can charge him. I’m not sure they should. Having him being a “political prisoner” won’t end well 

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  • brianlux
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    Cropduster-80 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    dudes, the committee has him. each witness is tying trump more and more to this and that it was planned ahead of time. they would not be doing all of this to present this evidence just to let him off with no punishment. doj is going to be forced to charge and arrest him. this committee is going to make the mueller report look like some lullaby you sing a child to sleep with.
    He will just run for president from jail, pardon himself and then who knows what 

    There is historical precedent. In 1992, Lyndon LaRouche became the second person in U.S. history (after Eugene Debs) to run for president from a prison cell.

    the DOJ probably can charge him. I’m not sure they should. Having him being a “political prisoner” won’t end well 


    A betting pool on this one would be wild (just kidding, KAT, SEA, we won't be doing that!).  I wouldn't know how to place my bet.  I'm also not sure what the ramifications of any outcome of all this will be.  Throw him in jail and his followers will go rabid and become more dangerous.  Slap him on the wrist and that will tell people, "You can be seditious and get away with it!"  It almost seems like a no-win situation to me.  Maybe I'm missing something here.
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,437
    edited June 2022
    Trump isn't doing time, ever. I believe he has no plans to run again. Been there, done that. No way he risks losing again. He accomplished what he wanted. He'll keep up his act with the tours until he dies though because he loves attention. When the time comes, he'll officially make it sound like it was his idea to not run because he believes it's time for DeSantis to carry his Save America agenda forward. In no way should the goal of these hearings be for him not to run again. That's small potatoes. Charge him and make a plea deal that includes monetary settlement for the cost of the hearings and anything associated with Jan. 6th damages. Then let the civil suits bury him forever.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,448
    edited June 2022
    Not charging POOTWH, if he's so indicted, is worse than charging him, regardless of the outcome of charging him. POTUS, regardless of party, personality, position, etc. is not above the law. Nor should they be.
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  • Cropduster-80
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    edited June 2022
    brianlux said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    dudes, the committee has him. each witness is tying trump more and more to this and that it was planned ahead of time. they would not be doing all of this to present this evidence just to let him off with no punishment. doj is going to be forced to charge and arrest him. this committee is going to make the mueller report look like some lullaby you sing a child to sleep with.
    He will just run for president from jail, pardon himself and then who knows what 

    There is historical precedent. In 1992, Lyndon LaRouche became the second person in U.S. history (after Eugene Debs) to run for president from a prison cell.

    the DOJ probably can charge him. I’m not sure they should. Having him being a “political prisoner” won’t end well 


    A betting pool on this one would be wild (just kidding, KAT, SEA, we won't be doing that!).  I wouldn't know how to place my bet.  I'm also not sure what the ramifications of any outcome of all this will be.  Throw him in jail and his followers will go rabid and become more dangerous.  Slap him on the wrist and that will tell people, "You can be seditious and get away with it!"  It almost seems like a no-win situation to me.  Maybe I'm missing something here.
    I think the betting odds are 100 percent that he runs for president if he is in jail.

    if he’s not in jail the odds are lower 

    odds he wins in jail, have got to be 50/50, probably similar to his odds of winning out of jail.  I really don’t want to see how messy that gets if he wins/or loses from Federal Prison.

     It wouldn’t be Trump if you didn’t have to  decide between two impossible choices 
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  • OnWis97
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    Go Beavers said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    tbergs said:
    It sounds like most of her testimony is hearsay. Bring in the people she is naming as the source to the information if you want charges to come forth. 
    I’m not watching but that’s what I was wondering. His word against hers will result in nothing happening. 
    She  heard the White House council say x.  It’s first hand there. Then it’s pretty much going to force the White House counsel to answer questions. That’s first hand to trump 

    she put a lot of these people in much tougher positions than they were in yesterday 
    I guess I’m thinking more about Trump voters. Most will say the witnesses are lying. The others won’t care because nothing is worse than electing a Socialist democrat who is going to destroy their way of life. 

    I have very low expectations about legal outcomes for Trump since he’s had zero consequences up to now. 
    There's literally nothing that can flip a third of the country on Trump. They hear almost nothing and even when they do it's all a conspiracy. Everything we're hearing could be filmed and they'd never believe it.

    And yeah, there's really no chance that anything happens to him legally. It's just not where we are as a country right now.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,254
    there is going to be violence either way. no matter what happens, there will be violence.

    people are going to be protesting in dc calling for trump to be arrested, and counter protesters will show up and there will be violence then.

    there are sleeper cells all over the place. we know the proud boys and that type, but there are cells that are just lying low waiting to attack if trump gets arrested. 

    in the end the government must send the message that a- what trump did was not okay and anybody involved is going to jail, or b- what trump did is not cool but whatever he was a president so he gets away with everything.

    in my opinion, we have to go with option a, no matter how painful the repercussions. what he did must not be allowed to be unchecked. because the next person to try it will succeed knowing that they face no real consequences. sedition must not go unpunished ever.
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  • pjhawks
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    there is going to be violence either way. no matter what happens, there will be violence.

    people are going to be protesting in dc calling for trump to be arrested, and counter protesters will show up and there will be violence then.

    there are sleeper cells all over the place. we know the proud boys and that type, but there are cells that are just lying low waiting to attack if trump gets arrested. 

    in the end the government must send the message that a- what trump did was not okay and anybody involved is going to jail, or b- what trump did is not cool but whatever he was a president so he gets away with everything.

    in my opinion, we have to go with option a, no matter how painful the repercussions. what he did must not be allowed to be unchecked. because the next person to try it will succeed knowing that they face no real consequences. sedition must not go unpunished ever.
     I agree he had to face consequences no matter the repercussions.  You can’t have an attempted coup go unpunished.  I know it will be ugly and will take a long long time to heal the wounds that come from it but it has to be done.  
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,254
    pjhawks said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    there is going to be violence either way. no matter what happens, there will be violence.

    people are going to be protesting in dc calling for trump to be arrested, and counter protesters will show up and there will be violence then.

    there are sleeper cells all over the place. we know the proud boys and that type, but there are cells that are just lying low waiting to attack if trump gets arrested. 

    in the end the government must send the message that a- what trump did was not okay and anybody involved is going to jail, or b- what trump did is not cool but whatever he was a president so he gets away with everything.

    in my opinion, we have to go with option a, no matter how painful the repercussions. what he did must not be allowed to be unchecked. because the next person to try it will succeed knowing that they face no real consequences. sedition must not go unpunished ever.
     I agree he had to face consequences no matter the repercussions.  You can’t have an attempted coup go unpunished.  I know it will be ugly and will take a long long time to heal the wounds that come from it but it has to be done.  
    the question is do we want to take care of it now and get it out of the way, or do we wait until the gop takes over in 2024 and everyone gets pardoned and it all gets swept under the rug? then the kids will ask, "why am i going to jail for a bag of weed when the president attempted to overthrow the government and nothing happened to him?"

    this cannot go unchecked. we went to war to create this country. we went to another war to keep it together. and now we are just going to let this slide like nothing happened? fuck that.

    the democrats do not have the spine for it. if the shoe were on the other foot and biden was president in 2020 and lost and tried to steal it to stay in office, i think we know how swiftly the gop would have dealt with him.

    the democrats cannot sit back and email everyday asking for $15 bucks to fight the republicans. the dems are in charge, and they have to see that justice is done.
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    i kinda think trump thought going into the capitol with his proud boys on 1/6 was going to be his "mussolini moment". like in 1919 when mussolini and his blackshirts went in and claimed the italian government.
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  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
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    The more I think about it, the most compelling part of the testimony today was the sheer number of different people she overheard and had interactions with. It’s extremely hard to refute unless all these people testify and lie under oath. 

    If she was stuck in Meadow’s office all day and just talked to Meadows it would be less damaging.  He could say no I didn’t say that and then it’s her word against his 

    It’s not a he said she said situation with no one else present. 

    some of it was second hand sure (meadow’s told me Trump said etc) but the people she heard were the inner circle. It was so specific and detailed too
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Cropduster-80 said:
    The more I think about it, the most compelling part of the testimony today was the sheer number of different people she overheard and had interactions with. It’s extremely hard to refute unless all these people testify and lie under oath. 

    If she was stuck in Meadow’s office all day and just talked to Meadows it would be less damaging.  He could say no I didn’t say that and then it’s her word against his 

    It’s not a he said she said situation with no one else present. 

    some of it was second hand sure (meadow’s told me Trump said etc) but the people she heard were the inner circle. It was so specific and detailed too

    She was a great witness. Exceeded my expectations actually.

    Now they need to get Cipolline, Meadows, the driver Trump lunged at, etc, etc to corroborate what she said and boom---that is a pretty air tight case.
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