#46 President Joe Biden

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  • bootlegger10
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    Merkin Baller said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    brianlux said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Wow, another crazy headline involving Biden's kids today (daughter's journal).   He must have really wanted to be President knowing that his kids' issues were going to get plastered all over the news.   

    Link, please.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10896941/Florida-woman-Ashley-Bidens-diary-investigation-selling-it.html

    There is a chain of custody issue there, no? Like w/ Hunter's laptop? 
    Well, hunter’s laptop was real.  
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Brandon’s daughter’s diary is old news being rehashed as a distraction from the 1/6 Committee hearings. That trashy tabloid article repeated the same supposed entry five times while not shedding any other light or details, while a zillion pop ups repeatedly froze the screen and pictures of the former addict who peddled it taking selfies were featured.

    I’m waaaaaay dumber than I was yesterday as a result. Lesson learned. Speaking of Hunter’s laptop, everyone going to tune in for the committee hearings on it around March 2023? Can’t wait.

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  • Merkin Baller
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    bootlegger10 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    brianlux said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Wow, another crazy headline involving Biden's kids today (daughter's journal).   He must have really wanted to be President knowing that his kids' issues were going to get plastered all over the news.   

    Link, please.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10896941/Florida-woman-Ashley-Bidens-diary-investigation-selling-it.html

    There is a chain of custody issue there, no? Like w/ Hunter's laptop? 
    Well, hunter’s laptop was real.  
    I'm not doubting that the laptop or diary are real, based on what I've read. 

    But is there not a chain of custody issue that casts doubt on the authenticity of the contents of both? 
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    bootlegger10 said:
    Biden under fire for ‘tone-deaf’ shipping speech after saying CFO ‘dropped dead’ | The Independent

    What the heck?
    yikes. very poorly worded. 
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  • bootlegger10
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    It doesn't seem like there is much out there saying the diary isn't real.  It is a shame it has been publicized but the only reason I mentioned it is because Biden decided to run for president and VP fully aware his kids' issues could become very public.  Think about all of the people impacted:  kids, kids' spouses, grandkids, etc...   Biden either believes the USA needs him or he just cares about himself more than his family.  
  • mrussel1
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    bootlegger10 said:
    It doesn't seem like there is much out there saying the diary isn't real.  It is a shame it has been publicized but the only reason I mentioned it is because Biden decided to run for president and VP fully aware his kids' issues could become very public.  Think about all of the people impacted:  kids, kids' spouses, grandkids, etc...   Biden either believes the USA needs him or he just cares about himself more than his family.  
    He's been in public life for 50 years.  There was also no other candidate that was going to beat Trump.  Warren, Sanders and Harris had no chance. 

    It only matters because people are buying her diary.  If you'd like a list of presidents that had troubled children or family, we could provide quite the list.  In other words, who cares.  
  • Merkin Baller
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    mrussel1 said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    It doesn't seem like there is much out there saying the diary isn't real.  It is a shame it has been publicized but the only reason I mentioned it is because Biden decided to run for president and VP fully aware his kids' issues could become very public.  Think about all of the people impacted:  kids, kids' spouses, grandkids, etc...   Biden either believes the USA needs him or he just cares about himself more than his family.  
    He's been in public life for 50 years.  There was also no other candidate that was going to beat Trump.  Warren, Sanders and Harris had no chance. 

    It only matters because people are buying her diary.  If you'd like a list of presidents that had troubled children or family, we could provide quite the list.  In other words, who cares.  


    The fact that the diary has been in the possession of people with questionable motives is enough for me to not take these reports at face value.

    If he truly believed he was the only candidate who could beat trump, and ran despite knowing how his family was going to get treated, that tells me he cares more about the country's future than his family. I guess I don't see that as a knock on his character. 

  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Here’s three who, as far as I know, haven’t had issues, been an embarrassment or a problem or a campaign issue:

    Amy Carter
    Chelsea Clinton 
    Sasha & Malia Obama

    All families are dysfunctional, just some more so than others.
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  • cincybearcat
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Here’s three who, as far as I know, haven’t had issues, been an embarrassment or a problem or a campaign issue:

    Amy Carter
    Chelsea Clinton 
    Sasha & Malia Obama

    All families are dysfunctional, just some more so than others.
    Yup, these people are public figures so their dirty laundry seems to become public more often than not.

    It does make me wonder a bit if politicians and their families have a higher rate of issues with the kids.  I could see it based upon the unhealthy working environment...lots of time away...uber focus on the candidate/representative/etc....$$$$.  Does the job and environment help lead to issues like this?

    To be honest, the issues with Biden's kids are pretty extreme.  Trumps kids lack morales.  Obama's kids seemed to make it out fine so far...I hope they remain well.
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  • Zod
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    Not sure what's with you Americans, as a Canadian I'm fully aware that our leadership options suck.  There is no win.  We've got the Liberal party which swung to the left with it's crazy spending.  We've got the NDP even further left.  Then we've got the conservatives who have swung massively right to try and attract the far right vote.  Except less of the Canadian population identifies with far right, so it makes it super hard to win elections when the align themselves with the crazy.

    They all suck.  It's not like we wouldn't have problems if we'd gone another way.. lol.   Libs/NDP, spend until we go broke (but tend to be closer to my social values), then Cons usually cut taxes (and not much spending) until we go broke (and they're social values keep leaning harder to the crazy right.. sigh.

    What I wouldn't give for something down the middle.

    A political party that is at least somewhat fiscally responsible and at least shares some of my social values.

    I know this a Biden thread, but America would also be f'd regardless of who is president right now.  Trump got voted out before he really had to deal with the consequences of his own policies.   That big economic run up before covid was all done on credit (taxes were cut, but spending wasn't).  Then Trump and Biden shared responsibility for all the covid spending.  The Fed was doing the massive quantitative easing through both of their presidencies.   Plus were seeing all the negative consequences of 30+ years of globalizations.

    That's my thoughts.   Biden and Trump both suck.. lol.   Just like all our leadership options in Canada suck.

  • Halifax2TheMax
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    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Here’s three who, as far as I know, haven’t had issues, been an embarrassment or a problem or a campaign issue:

    Amy Carter
    Chelsea Clinton 
    Sasha & Malia Obama

    All families are dysfunctional, just some more so than others.
    Yup, these people are public figures so their dirty laundry seems to become public more often than not.

    It does make me wonder a bit if politicians and their families have a higher rate of issues with the kids.  I could see it based upon the unhealthy working environment...lots of time away...uber focus on the candidate/representative/etc....$$$$.  Does the job and environment help lead to issues like this?

    To be honest, the issues with Biden's kids are pretty extreme.  Trumps kids lack morales.  Obama's kids seemed to make it out fine so far...I hope they remain well.
    It’s gotta have an impact. Trying to keep your kids in schools with their friends, one parent away most of the week and spending weekends at home at events, etc. I almost wish they’d build Congress a dormitory and randomly assign members a dorm room, charge them rent to maintain the buildings and have family suites you could reserve so the family could come stay during school vacations and such.

    Being a kid and moving into the White House and going to Sidwell Friends or some other private school. It’s tough enough navigating regular childhood development shit and add the secret service and butlers and the microscope? Ugh. I admired Obama for making the dinner hour off limits for almost everything.
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  • OnWis97
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    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Here’s three who, as far as I know, haven’t had issues, been an embarrassment or a problem or a campaign issue:

    Amy Carter
    Chelsea Clinton 
    Sasha & Malia Obama

    All families are dysfunctional, just some more so than others.
    Yup, these people are public figures so their dirty laundry seems to become public more often than not.

    It does make me wonder a bit if politicians and their families have a higher rate of issues with the kids.  I could see it based upon the unhealthy working environment...lots of time away...uber focus on the candidate/representative/etc....$$$$.  Does the job and environment help lead to issues like this?

    To be honest, the issues with Biden's kids are pretty extreme.  Trumps kids lack morales.  Obama's kids seemed to make it out fine so far...I hope they remain well.
    I'm sure it's a tough way to have to grow up. Chelsea was ridiculed and honestly, that could have turned out much worse. The Bush daughters (young adults living the young adult life) were scrutinized unfairly, as well. As far as I know, they came out OK, too.

    I know nothing about Biden's daughter. His son is a disaster and that certainly could be connected to his father's life in politics.

    Trump's kids had a famous father, though they themselves were not in the limelight (nor was Hunter; that's pretty much reserved for children of the president). The three oldest kids are fair game...they work for him and have made a lot of money off of his presidency. And the two boys are just like him; petulant silver-spooners who don't seem to care about much of anything outside of making money, being victims, and owning the libs. Ivanka is essentially the same but more polished; she's able to appear less petty but she's probably more devious. I'm not at the point that I feel like Tiffany is fair game (kinda like the Bushes and Chesea should not have been). Barron? I almost feel bad for him...At least the last few presidents could pick their kids out of a lineup. Yeah, he'll never have to worry about money but I think his upbringing is pretty crazy and some of that does come from the media...but it's not a surprise that Trump's three most famous kids don't seem to have a lot of morals, given who their father is.
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  • OnWis97
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    Zod said:
    Not sure what's with you Americans, as a Canadian I'm fully aware that our leadership options suck.  There is no win.  We've got the Liberal party which swung to the left with it's crazy spending.  We've got the NDP even further left.  Then we've got the conservatives who have swung massively right to try and attract the far right vote.  Except less of the Canadian population identifies with far right, so it makes it super hard to win elections when the align themselves with the crazy.

    They all suck.  It's not like we wouldn't have problems if we'd gone another way.. lol.   Libs/NDP, spend until we go broke (but tend to be closer to my social values), then Cons usually cut taxes (and not much spending) until we go broke (and they're social values keep leaning harder to the crazy right.. sigh.

    What I wouldn't give for something down the middle.

    A political party that is at least somewhat fiscally responsible and at least shares some of my social values.

    I know this a Biden thread, but America would also be f'd regardless of who is president right now.  Trump got voted out before he really had to deal with the consequences of his own policies.   That big economic run up before covid was all done on credit (taxes were cut, but spending wasn't).  Then Trump and Biden shared responsibility for all the covid spending.  The Fed was doing the massive quantitative easing through both of their presidencies.   Plus were seeing all the negative consequences of 30+ years of globalizations.

    That's my thoughts.   Biden and Trump both suck.. lol.   Just like all our leadership options in Canada suck.

    That might be true...but it's really difficult to create an equivalency. Trump literally tried to stay in office via coup. He literally puts the Republic in jeopardy just by being president (and even by not being president). He "sucks" in a far different and more dangerous way than Biden, or your Canadian leaders suck.
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  • Merkin Baller
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    I sure am glad I didn't vote for either of Biden's kids to be president. 

    I'm also happy he hasn't given them jobs in the White House. 
  • mrussel1
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    Merkin Baller said:

    I sure am glad I didn't vote for either of Biden's kids to be president. 

    I'm also happy he hasn't given them jobs in the White House. 
    Precisely my perspective on it.  I also don't look to Biden for parenting advice. 
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    Now...just imagine how the magats would freak out if Biden's campaign had paid Hunter $60K to make a two minute speech at the convention
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  • Merkin Baller
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    Gern Blansten said:
    Now...just imagine how the magats would freak out if Biden's campaign had paid Hunter $60K to make a two minute speech at the convention
    Or given him a job at the white house despite him not being able to pass security clearance? 

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/officials-rejected-jared-kushner-top-secret-security-clearance-were-overruled-n962221

  • OnWis97
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    mrussel1 said:
    Merkin Baller said:

    I sure am glad I didn't vote for either of Biden's kids to be president. 

    I'm also happy he hasn't given them jobs in the White House. 
    Precisely my perspective on it.  I also don't look to Biden for parenting advice. 
    This is all probably similar to Andy Reid's situation, for those that follow the NFL. His kids are a mess...Any has a demanding career that keeps him away from home a ton. Biden, too. Trump...well he didn't really "work" hard but he "networked" hard.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    yeah, I care as much about Biden's kids as I would have about Trump's....had the latter not become involved in his job, policy, and public rhetoric that helped get us to where we are today. 
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  • bootlegger10
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    My comments are purely on the aspect of being a parent and making a decision that will indirectly cause huge embarrassment for your family.  I have heard of some politicians in the past not running because they didn't want to their family dirty laundry publicized for the world.  I totally understand that just because someone's child grows up and gets into drugs, addiction, crime doesn't mean the parent didn't care or didn't do all that they felt they could to help the kid.  Adults make their own decisions.   I wouldn't want a great leader not to run because one of their kids is a dumbass who makes dumbass decisions.  

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