Former drummer Dave Abbruzzese reflects on the tour cancellation

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    edited May 2022
    Ledbetterman10 said:

    Of course that was a short set as an opener which is quite different than pulling off a real show without him. 
    Is it though? With a replacement instead of a cardboard cut out, that is.
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:

    Of course that was a short set as an opener which is quite different than pulling off a real show without him. 
    Is it though? With a replacement instead of a cardboard cut out, that is.
    No I mean without him or a replacement. Oh I'm of the belief that any of them except Eddie can be replaced for a show or two if COVID forces their hand. 
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  • josevolution
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    Uhmm Dave eh 
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  • heartofadog
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    A few pretty generous readings of this, which tracks with the bizarre obsession some folks have with this dude. The insinuation is pretty clearly that Pearl Jam considers some members irreplaceable, but not their drummer, whomever it may be. It’s an ignorant and petty sentiment, especially considering the situation. Dude is clearly still bitter, nearly 30 years after his firing. Kinda pathetic, in my opinion.
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  • PJammer4life
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    Were Sacto and Vegas added dates or make up dates from 2020? Cause that makes a difference too. I believe the band really wanted to make good for the fans who waited so long and held tickets.
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  • edocon
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    PJammer4life said:
    Were Sacto and Vegas added dates or make up dates from 2020? Cause that makes a difference too. I believe the band really wanted to make good for the fans who waited so long and held tickets.
    They were added dates.
  • Gern Blansten
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    heartofadog said:
    A few pretty generous readings of this, which tracks with the bizarre obsession some folks have with this dude. The insinuation is pretty clearly that Pearl Jam considers some members irreplaceable, but not their drummer, whomever it may be. It’s an ignorant and petty sentiment, especially considering the situation. Dude is clearly still bitter, nearly 30 years after his firing. Kinda pathetic, in my opinion.
    ignorant and petty but based on reality....I mean he does have a point
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  • tbergs
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    Oh boy, another Dave thread. Some fans are so obsessed with 1992. So weird.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • JimmyV
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    They never had to fire the bass player, Dave. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    tbergs said:
    Oh boy, another Dave thread. Some fans are so obsessed with 1992. So weird.
    82% of people going to the shows are there for Jeremy, Alive, Black and Evenflow. 

    The 8% not "obsessed with 1992" are de facto the outlier. As in, the "weird".
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  • Cropduster-80
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    edited May 2022
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tbergs said:
    Oh boy, another Dave thread. Some fans are so obsessed with 1992. So weird.
    82% of people going to the shows are there for Jeremy, Alive, Black and Evenflow. 

    The 8% not "obsessed with 1992" are de facto the outlier. As in, the "weird".
    You aren’t wrong


    I’m weird though. Peak PJ was no code through riot act.

    That early stuff I can take or leave.  I appreciate the crowd energy to those songs probably more than the songs themselves.  I rarely sit and listen to the first 3 albums 
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  • Clapper
    Clapper Toronto Posts: 209
    Embarrassing.  He was the drummer for like 10% of the band's career. Outside of a few hold outs on this forum and Dave, I don't think many would even think of him as the associated drummer with Pearl Jam.  It's like getting married young, it not working out and then 30 years later, after an entire lifetime apart, one person still talks badly about the relationship, and one person doesn't doesn't even think about it...at all.  They only time Dave makes it in the media or on socials is to bad mouth the band.  Hard to imagine why they'd rather use literally anyone else to drum than to call him. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    Clapper said:
    Embarrassing.  He was the drummer for like 10% of the band's career. Outside of a few hold outs on this forum and Dave, I don't think many would even think of him as the associated drummer with Pearl Jam.  It's like getting married young, it not working out and then 30 years later, after an entire lifetime apart, one person still talks badly about the relationship, and one person doesn't doesn't even think about it...at all.  They only time Dave makes it in the media or on socials is to bad mouth the band.  Hard to imagine why they'd rather use literally anyone else to drum than to call him. 
    This is a great analogy. 
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  • jpdannabelle
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    The Dave thing is old man. He fucked up somewhere. The whole band wanted him out. Whatever, who cares. All the Dave fan boys can go cry in a corner. Boo hoo. It was business. If you watch the 1996 Grammy acceptance speech, Stone thanks Dave Abbruzzese while smirking and Mike laughs. The whole band grew to hate him. He was lucky to get the job and he fucked up along the way. Oh well. Sucks to be him. The real question is where would the band be if Soundgarden didn’t break up and Matt Cameron wasn’t available.
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  • pearljammr78
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    Maybe Dave had tickets to the Sacramento show and drove all the way there to get an afternoon cancellation. He hasn’t worked in forever so money is an issue. 
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  • pjhawks
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    and he wonders why they don't invite him back for things.  
  • pearljammr78
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    Cropduster-80 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    tbergs said:
    Oh boy, another Dave thread. Some fans are so obsessed with 1992. So weird.
    82% of people going to the shows are there for Jeremy, Alive, Black and Evenflow. 

    The 8% not "obsessed with 1992" are de facto the outlier. As in, the "weird".
    You aren’t wrong


    I’m weird though. Peak PJ was no code through riot act.

    That early stuff I can take or leave.  I appreciate the crowd energy to those songs probably more than the songs themselves.  I rarely sit and listen to the first 3 albums 
    The early albums got me into to Pj but the “hits” are like classic rock songs to me. I could go the rest of my life with never hearing Jimi Hendrix again. Not a knock on Jimi. If I would have gone to Fresno and Dave K wouldn’t have drummed on the 10 songs I would have been super disappointed in the show. Call it what you want but it was a greatest hits show. If I never hear Elderly Women again it would be fine with me. They need to play the hits and like the post says, I’m there for the energy those songs bring but also to hear songs I believe to be better like Faithful or Sleight of Hand to name a couple. But Fresno was most likely my last PJ show so at least I got Dave K. Peace. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    edited May 2022
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Clapper said:
    Embarrassing.  He was the drummer for like 10% of the band's career. Outside of a few hold outs on this forum and Dave, I don't think many would even think of him as the associated drummer with Pearl Jam.  It's like getting married young, it not working out and then 30 years later, after an entire lifetime apart, one person still talks badly about the relationship, and one person doesn't doesn't even think about it...at all.  They only time Dave makes it in the media or on socials is to bad mouth the band.  Hard to imagine why they'd rather use literally anyone else to drum than to call him. 
    This is a great analogy. 
    If it wasn't for the fact that the person who "doesn't doesn't even think about it... at all" sat at a festival 30 years later about to play a song that person from that young marriage once wrote and acted out some so-so theater about not even remembering the persons name he was once youngly madly marriaged to...

    ... doesn't really scream all that confidently "doesn't doesn't even think about it". Something petty seem to linger from that thing, an entire lifetime apart that one supposedly doesn't doesn't even think about.

    And also. It's a shit analogy. Because no one moves on from that young love. Young love in our formative years is to strong to ever disappear our hearts. Haven't people on here ever read a love story, watched one or listened to one being sung. Get educated.

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  • Clapper
    Clapper Toronto Posts: 209
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Clapper said:
    Embarrassing.  He was the drummer for like 10% of the band's career. Outside of a few hold outs on this forum and Dave, I don't think many would even think of him as the associated drummer with Pearl Jam.  It's like getting married young, it not working out and then 30 years later, after an entire lifetime apart, one person still talks badly about the relationship, and one person doesn't doesn't even think about it...at all.  They only time Dave makes it in the media or on socials is to bad mouth the band.  Hard to imagine why they'd rather use literally anyone else to drum than to call him. 
    This is a great analogy. 
    If it wasn't for the fact that the person who "doesn't doesn't even think about it... at all" sat at a festival 30 years later about to play a song that person from that young marriage once wrote and acted out some so-so theater about not even remembering the persons name he was once youngly madly marriaged to...

    ... doesn't really scream all that confidently "doesn't doesn't even think about it". Something petty seem to linger from that thing, an entire lifetime apart that one supposedly doesn't doesn't even think about.

    And also. It's a shit analogy. Because no one moves on from that young love. Young love in our formative years is to strong to ever disappear our hearts. Haven't people on here ever read a love story, watched one or listened to one being sung. Get educated.
    The girls you dated in high school must really appreciate the angry and cryptic posts on their facebook walls 30 years later.  Educate us about the healthy people that can't move on with their lives.  :'(     
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  • Merkin Baller
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    edited May 2022
    These threads are gifts that keep on giving. 

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