These Dave threads make me curious about royalties. Since pearl jam was in the golden age of CD sales, am I naïve to think that Dave would be set for life? I know these boards aren't about gossiping, and I don't want to speculate - I just remember a thread a while back where Mike mentioned that decades later he was still getting a few grand of royalty payments from ten.
Dave is a millionaire. Not to the extent that the other guys in the band are but, unless he's been extremely careless with his finances, he is not going to be "serving us fries" (as another poster put it) at any point in his life.
There's zero chance he's a millionaire. I bet he's been broke for decades. I know for a fact he has sold some of his original tapes (Stuffins) to fans. These are tapes of either versions of Alone, Wash, etc. You wouldn't do that if you were a millionaire.
There is not, in fact, "zero chance" he's a millionaire. There are plenty of reasons a person harboring a decades-long grudge would sell those tapes.
There was not a GoFundMe for his daughter. There was a FB "birthday fundraiser" in which he asked folks to contribute, on his birthday, to his daughter's ongoing education.
That said, being a millionaire and being extremely wealthy are two different things, so absolutely, his life is nowhere near the same as the rest of the guys in the band, but Dave is not broke, has not "been broke for decades."
Sorry, no one is going to convince me that Dave A is wealthy today for drumming on two records.
Thank you for this! I was not familiar with this thread and I have to confess this is now my Heard/Depp trial. I love it.
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These Dave threads make me curious about royalties. Since pearl jam was in the golden age of CD sales, am I naïve to think that Dave would be set for life? I know these boards aren't about gossiping, and I don't want to speculate - I just remember a thread a while back where Mike mentioned that decades later he was still getting a few grand of royalty payments from ten.
Dave is a millionaire. Not to the extent that the other guys in the band are but, unless he's been extremely careless with his finances, he is not going to be "serving us fries" (as another poster put it) at any point in his life.
There's zero chance he's a millionaire. I bet he's been broke for decades. I know for a fact he has sold some of his original tapes (Stuffins) to fans. These are tapes of either versions of Alone, Wash, etc. You wouldn't do that if you were a millionaire.
There is not, in fact, "zero chance" he's a millionaire. There are plenty of reasons a person harboring a decades-long grudge would sell those tapes.
There was not a GoFundMe for his daughter. There was a FB "birthday fundraiser" in which he asked folks to contribute, on his birthday, to his daughter's ongoing education.
That said, being a millionaire and being extremely wealthy are two different things, so absolutely, his life is nowhere near the same as the rest of the guys in the band, but Dave is not broke, has not "been broke for decades."
Sorry, no one is going to convince me that Dave A is wealthy today for drumming on two records.
Yeah two records that combined to sell like 15 million copies. And he's credited as songwriter on every song except for Nothingman, Better Man, Satan's Bed, and Stupid Mop. That wouldn't make him "wealthy." As Chris Rock said once, "Shaq is rich, the white man that signs his check....he's wealthy." But "zero chance he's a millionaire" isn't correct either. There's a good chance he's a millionaire. Or at least he certainly once was one. Who knows about these days.
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It wasn't a marriage, it was a business partnership. One that Dave contributed to, got fired from, and then watched his former colleagues get rich in part off of work that he contributed to. So I understand him being salty, but I also recognize his saltiness when I see it and don't really fault the band for not wanting him around. That is as close to a defense of Dave as I hope to ever make.
& anyone who's been in a band knows it's a unique business partnership at that.
If I was in his shoes, I don't know that I would be over getting kicked out of Pearl Jam either... that would be a very hard thing to come to terms with.
I can't understand anyone else not being over it though. It's been almost 30 years, it's hard to take seriously, tbh.
And yet…imagine being in Dave Krusen’s shoes. He battled his addiction and put himself first. He saved himself and never resented the band. That’s why we got to witness him in Fresno and he couldn’t have looked more appreciative.
He’s pretty candid about it being his fault. I’ve never heard a bad word spoken about him either. He owned it. That’s how you move on
It wasn't a marriage, it was a business partnership. One that Dave contributed to, got fired from, and then watched his former colleagues get rich in part off of work that he contributed to. So I understand him being salty, but I also recognize his saltiness when I see it and don't really fault the band for not wanting him around. That is as close to a defense of Dave as I hope to ever make.
& anyone who's been in a band knows it's a unique business partnership at that.
If I was in his shoes, I don't know that I would be over getting kicked out of Pearl Jam either... that would be a very hard thing to come to terms with.
I can't understand anyone else not being over it though. It's been almost 30 years, it's hard to take seriously, tbh.
And yet…imagine being in Dave Krusen’s shoes. He battled his addiction and put himself first. He saved himself and never resented the band. That’s why we got to witness him in Fresno and he couldn’t have looked more appreciative.
He’s pretty candid about it being his fault. I’ve never heard a bad word spoken about him either. He owned it. That’s how you move on
Exactly.
Apples and oranges though. Haha. He left because of addiction, did he not? He wasn't sat down in front of a plate of pancakes with just Stone there being pushed out to do the band's* bidding
*certain someones in the band
But amazingly cool to see him in the apple-circumstance be able to "return" both at the RnR hoF and now in Fresno.
Doesn’t matter to me how Dave A was fired when you’re in a band and the other members don’t want you in the band. Point being Dave K made at best thousands from his time with the band and is still treated well by the band (wouldn’t be surprised if he receives a cheque for a portion of the Fresno fee) while Dave A made at best a few hundreds of thousands with the band, blew it all, sold his kit to Shon for probably $50,000, and is still bitter about not participation.
Not apples and oranges. Class and Sass.
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These Dave threads make me curious about royalties. Since pearl jam was in the golden age of CD sales, am I naïve to think that Dave would be set for life? I know these boards aren't about gossiping, and I don't want to speculate - I just remember a thread a while back where Mike mentioned that decades later he was still getting a few grand of royalty payments from ten.
Dave is a millionaire. Not to the extent that the other guys in the band are but, unless he's been extremely careless with his finances, he is not going to be "serving us fries" (as another poster put it) at any point in his life.
There's zero chance he's a millionaire. I bet he's been broke for decades. I know for a fact he has sold some of his original tapes (Stuffins) to fans. These are tapes of either versions of Alone, Wash, etc. You wouldn't do that if you were a millionaire.
There is not, in fact, "zero chance" he's a millionaire. There are plenty of reasons a person harboring a decades-long grudge would sell those tapes.
There was not a GoFundMe for his daughter. There was a FB "birthday fundraiser" in which he asked folks to contribute, on his birthday, to his daughter's ongoing education.
That said, being a millionaire and being extremely wealthy are two different things, so absolutely, his life is nowhere near the same as the rest of the guys in the band, but Dave is not broke, has not "been broke for decades."
Sorry, no one is going to convince me that Dave A is wealthy today for drumming on two records.
Yeah two records that combined to sell like 15 million copies. And he's credited as songwriter on every song except for Nothingman, Better Man, Satan's Bed, and Stupid Mop. That wouldn't make him "wealthy." As Chris Rock said once, "Shaq is rich, the white man that signs his check....he's wealthy." But "zero chance he's a millionaire" isn't correct either. There's a good chance he's a millionaire. Or at least he certainly once was one. Who knows about these days.
Even if he is a millionaire you absolutely can’t retire on that at age 27 or whenever it was. It’s next to impossible at 65 if that’s your entire retirement portfolio as I bet his social security wages for the last 30 years were sporadic at best.
plug 1 million into a retirement draw down calculator. It’s not a lot so whatever the number is doesn’t matter, it’s not wealthy or set for life
These Dave threads make me curious about royalties. Since pearl jam was in the golden age of CD sales, am I naïve to think that Dave would be set for life? I know these boards aren't about gossiping, and I don't want to speculate - I just remember a thread a while back where Mike mentioned that decades later he was still getting a few grand of royalty payments from ten.
Dave is a millionaire. Not to the extent that the other guys in the band are but, unless he's been extremely careless with his finances, he is not going to be "serving us fries" (as another poster put it) at any point in his life.
There's zero chance he's a millionaire. I bet he's been broke for decades. I know for a fact he has sold some of his original tapes (Stuffins) to fans. These are tapes of either versions of Alone, Wash, etc. You wouldn't do that if you were a millionaire.
There is not, in fact, "zero chance" he's a millionaire. There are plenty of reasons a person harboring a decades-long grudge would sell those tapes.
There was not a GoFundMe for his daughter. There was a FB "birthday fundraiser" in which he asked folks to contribute, on his birthday, to his daughter's ongoing education.
That said, being a millionaire and being extremely wealthy are two different things, so absolutely, his life is nowhere near the same as the rest of the guys in the band, but Dave is not broke, has not "been broke for decades."
Sorry, no one is going to convince me that Dave A is wealthy today for drumming on two records.
Yeah two records that combined to sell like 15 million copies. And he's credited as songwriter on every song except for Nothingman, Better Man, Satan's Bed, and Stupid Mop. That wouldn't make him "wealthy." As Chris Rock said once, "Shaq is rich, the white man that signs his check....he's wealthy." But "zero chance he's a millionaire" isn't correct either. There's a good chance he's a millionaire. Or at least he certainly once was one. Who knows about these days.
I 100% agree that he was a millionaire at some point. There is no doubt. I am talking specifically about today. What has he done with his life for the past 25 years? Anything of note? Does he have a job? Does he gig? If he had 2MM tax free 25 years ago, that's only 80k per year as of today, and he would be wiped out. Does anyone think he invested 2MM? Negative.
Speak for yourself, this old timer is glad the band moved on from him.
Me too. I love MFC's drumming. I think he's amazing. He's not just a cement mixer, he's technical, he has jazz root (which I love) and the band is so tight with him. That's the thing that stood out most in Oakland. They were all over the place and loose. It was cool for a show or two, but I wouldn't want that all the time.
Embarrassing. He was the drummer for like 10% of the band's career. Outside of a few hold outs on this forum and Dave, I don't think many would even think of him as the associated drummer with Pearl Jam. It's like getting married young, it not working out and then 30 years later, after an entire lifetime apart, one person still talks badly about the relationship, and one person doesn't doesn't even think about it...at all. They only time Dave makes it in the media or on socials is to bad mouth the band. Hard to imagine why they'd rather use literally anyone else to drum than to call him.
That same 10% cemented the band’s legacy and drew in the majority of their fan base?
The correct analogy would be like “getting married to someone 30yrs ago, having a kid, getting divorced after 2 years and then acting like the person you were married to and have the kid with is irrelevant.
These Dave threads make me curious about royalties. Since pearl jam was in the golden age of CD sales, am I naïve to think that Dave would be set for life? I know these boards aren't about gossiping, and I don't want to speculate - I just remember a thread a while back where Mike mentioned that decades later he was still getting a few grand of royalty payments from ten.
Dave is a millionaire. Not to the extent that the other guys in the band are but, unless he's been extremely careless with his finances, he is not going to be "serving us fries" (as another poster put it) at any point in his life.
There's zero chance he's a millionaire. I bet he's been broke for decades. I know for a fact he has sold some of his original tapes (Stuffins) to fans. These are tapes of either versions of Alone, Wash, etc. You wouldn't do that if you were a millionaire.
There is not, in fact, "zero chance" he's a millionaire. There are plenty of reasons a person harboring a decades-long grudge would sell those tapes.
There was not a GoFundMe for his daughter. There was a FB "birthday fundraiser" in which he asked folks to contribute, on his birthday, to his daughter's ongoing education.
That said, being a millionaire and being extremely wealthy are two different things, so absolutely, his life is nowhere near the same as the rest of the guys in the band, but Dave is not broke, has not "been broke for decades."
Sorry, no one is going to convince me that Dave A is wealthy today for drumming on two records.
Yeah two records that combined to sell like 15 million copies. And he's credited as songwriter on every song except for Nothingman, Better Man, Satan's Bed, and Stupid Mop. That wouldn't make him "wealthy." As Chris Rock said once, "Shaq is rich, the white man that signs his check....he's wealthy." But "zero chance he's a millionaire" isn't correct either. There's a good chance he's a millionaire. Or at least he certainly once was one. Who knows about these days.
I 100% agree that he was a millionaire at some point. There is no doubt. I am talking specifically about today. What has he done with his life for the past 25 years? Anything of note? Does he have a job? Does he gig? If he had 2MM tax free 25 years ago, that's only 80k per year as of today, and he would be wiped out. Does anyone think he invested 2MM? Negative.
Your guess is as good as mine. All I know that he's done since leaving the band is....
-Something called "Green Romance Orchestra." I've never checked it out. -Some sessions for Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy record -Played Rearviewmirror virtually with a bunch of fans for the band's 30th anniversary
Speak for yourself, this old timer is glad the band moved on from him.
Me too. I love MFC's drumming. I think he's amazing. He's not just a cement mixer, he's technical, he has jazz root (which I love) and the band is so tight with him. That's the thing that stood out most in Oakland. They were all over the place and loose. It was cool for a show or two, but I wouldn't want that all the time.
Yup... I prefer MFC's Soundgarden work over his PJ work, as i think he was just a more dynamic drummer w/ SG, but that's also a whole different animal than PJ.
I agree with everything you said about the band being tight around him. The guys is a f'ing machine behind the kit, a true joy to watch.
For my money though, the Jack Irons albums are my runaway favorites, so by default, he's my favorite PJ drummer.
Speak for yourself, this old timer is glad the band moved on from him.
Me too. I love MFC's drumming. I think he's amazing. He's not just a cement mixer, he's technical, he has jazz root (which I love) and the band is so tight with him. That's the thing that stood out most in Oakland. They were all over the place and loose. It was cool for a show or two, but I wouldn't want that all the time.
Yup... I prefer MFC's Soundgarden work over his PJ work, as i think he was just a more dynamic drummer w/ SG, but that's also a whole different animal than PJ.
I agree with everything you said about the band being tight around him. The guys is a f'ing machine behind the kit, a true joy to watch.
For my money though, the Jack Irons albums are my runaway favorites, so by default, he's my favorite PJ drummer.
Agreed, those are the three best albums. But no way would he be physically able to do what Matt does and has done. Guy is in tremendous shape.
These Dave threads make me curious about royalties. Since pearl jam was in the golden age of CD sales, am I naïve to think that Dave would be set for life? I know these boards aren't about gossiping, and I don't want to speculate - I just remember a thread a while back where Mike mentioned that decades later he was still getting a few grand of royalty payments from ten.
Dave is a millionaire. Not to the extent that the other guys in the band are but, unless he's been extremely careless with his finances, he is not going to be "serving us fries" (as another poster put it) at any point in his life.
There's zero chance he's a millionaire. I bet he's been broke for decades. I know for a fact he has sold some of his original tapes (Stuffins) to fans. These are tapes of either versions of Alone, Wash, etc. You wouldn't do that if you were a millionaire.
There was not a GoFundMe for his daughter. There was a FB "birthday fundraiser" in which he asked folks to contribute, on his birthday, to his daughter's ongoing education.
My bad. I'm not a friend or follower of his on FB. So it didn't show up on my feed as a typical birthday thing, it just showed up as a fundraiser.
These Dave threads make me curious about royalties. Since pearl jam was in the golden age of CD sales, am I naïve to think that Dave would be set for life? I know these boards aren't about gossiping, and I don't want to speculate - I just remember a thread a while back where Mike mentioned that decades later he was still getting a few grand of royalty payments from ten.
Dave is a millionaire. Not to the extent that the other guys in the band are but, unless he's been extremely careless with his finances, he is not going to be "serving us fries" (as another poster put it) at any point in his life.
There's zero chance he's a millionaire. I bet he's been broke for decades. I know for a fact he has sold some of his original tapes (Stuffins) to fans. These are tapes of either versions of Alone, Wash, etc. You wouldn't do that if you were a millionaire.
There is not, in fact, "zero chance" he's a millionaire. There are plenty of reasons a person harboring a decades-long grudge would sell those tapes.
There was not a GoFundMe for his daughter. There was a FB "birthday fundraiser" in which he asked folks to contribute, on his birthday, to his daughter's ongoing education.
That said, being a millionaire and being extremely wealthy are two different things, so absolutely, his life is nowhere near the same as the rest of the guys in the band, but Dave is not broke, has not "been broke for decades."
Sorry, no one is going to convince me that Dave A is wealthy today for drumming on two records.
Yeah two records that combined to sell like 15 million copies. And he's credited as songwriter on every song except for Nothingman, Better Man, Satan's Bed, and Stupid Mop. That wouldn't make him "wealthy." As Chris Rock said once, "Shaq is rich, the white man that signs his check....he's wealthy." But "zero chance he's a millionaire" isn't correct either. There's a good chance he's a millionaire. Or at least he certainly once was one. Who knows about these days.
I 100% agree that he was a millionaire at some point. There is no doubt. I am talking specifically about today. What has he done with his life for the past 25 years? Anything of note? Does he have a job? Does he gig? If he had 2MM tax free 25 years ago, that's only 80k per year as of today, and he would be wiped out. Does anyone think he invested 2MM? Negative.
Your guess is as good as mine. All I know that he's done since leaving the band is....
-Something called "Green Romance Orchestra." I've never checked it out. -Some sessions for Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy record -Played Rearviewmirror virtually with a bunch of fans for the band's 30th anniversary
That's all I got.
His time with GnG predates anything considered ”Chinese Democracy” I think. He was there when Duff was still in the band. But maybe some jam that is CD connected happened at that time.
I am no GnR expert.
And the best drummer Pearl Jam has ever had is Matt Chamberlain. On the live disc that came with the To Venus and Back album. No contest.
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These Dave threads make me curious about royalties. Since pearl jam was in the golden age of CD sales, am I naïve to think that Dave would be set for life? I know these boards aren't about gossiping, and I don't want to speculate - I just remember a thread a while back where Mike mentioned that decades later he was still getting a few grand of royalty payments from ten.
Dave is a millionaire. Not to the extent that the other guys in the band are but, unless he's been extremely careless with his finances, he is not going to be "serving us fries" (as another poster put it) at any point in his life.
There's zero chance he's a millionaire. I bet he's been broke for decades. I know for a fact he has sold some of his original tapes (Stuffins) to fans. These are tapes of either versions of Alone, Wash, etc. You wouldn't do that if you were a millionaire.
There is not, in fact, "zero chance" he's a millionaire. There are plenty of reasons a person harboring a decades-long grudge would sell those tapes.
There was not a GoFundMe for his daughter. There was a FB "birthday fundraiser" in which he asked folks to contribute, on his birthday, to his daughter's ongoing education.
That said, being a millionaire and being extremely wealthy are two different things, so absolutely, his life is nowhere near the same as the rest of the guys in the band, but Dave is not broke, has not "been broke for decades."
Sorry, no one is going to convince me that Dave A is wealthy today for drumming on two records.
Yeah two records that combined to sell like 15 million copies. And he's credited as songwriter on every song except for Nothingman, Better Man, Satan's Bed, and Stupid Mop. That wouldn't make him "wealthy." As Chris Rock said once, "Shaq is rich, the white man that signs his check....he's wealthy." But "zero chance he's a millionaire" isn't correct either. There's a good chance he's a millionaire. Or at least he certainly once was one. Who knows about these days.
I 100% agree that he was a millionaire at some point. There is no doubt. I am talking specifically about today. What has he done with his life for the past 25 years? Anything of note? Does he have a job? Does he gig? If he had 2MM tax free 25 years ago, that's only 80k per year as of today, and he would be wiped out. Does anyone think he invested 2MM? Negative.
Your guess is as good as mine. All I know that he's done since leaving the band is....
-Something called "Green Romance Orchestra." I've never checked it out. -Some sessions for Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy record -Played Rearviewmirror virtually with a bunch of fans for the band's 30th anniversary
That's all I got.
He was also touring with Stevie Salas and Bernard Fowler in a band called the IMFs from 2009-2013 (I think)
These Dave threads make me curious about royalties. Since pearl jam was in the golden age of CD sales, am I naïve to think that Dave would be set for life? I know these boards aren't about gossiping, and I don't want to speculate - I just remember a thread a while back where Mike mentioned that decades later he was still getting a few grand of royalty payments from ten.
Dave is a millionaire. Not to the extent that the other guys in the band are but, unless he's been extremely careless with his finances, he is not going to be "serving us fries" (as another poster put it) at any point in his life.
There's zero chance he's a millionaire. I bet he's been broke for decades. I know for a fact he has sold some of his original tapes (Stuffins) to fans. These are tapes of either versions of Alone, Wash, etc. You wouldn't do that if you were a millionaire.
Yeah, wasn't there just a Go Fund Me or something circulating the other day asking for money to help pay his daughter's college bills?
internet says his net worth is three mil. A few of these search results have the same amount. Maybe not accurate, but he has songwriter credits on a bunch of songs so does get some income from that each year.
Speak for yourself, this old timer is glad the band moved on from him.
Me too. I love MFC's drumming. I think he's amazing. He's not just a cement mixer, he's technical, he has jazz root (which I love) and the band is so tight with him. That's the thing that stood out most in Oakland. They were all over the place and loose. It was cool for a show or two, but I wouldn't want that all the time.
I’m not saying permanently, but a few of us would have loved to see Dave A for a single show in Sacto while Matt was out.
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These Dave threads make me curious about royalties. Since pearl jam was in the golden age of CD sales, am I naïve to think that Dave would be set for life? I know these boards aren't about gossiping, and I don't want to speculate - I just remember a thread a while back where Mike mentioned that decades later he was still getting a few grand of royalty payments from ten.
Dave is a millionaire. Not to the extent that the other guys in the band are but, unless he's been extremely careless with his finances, he is not going to be "serving us fries" (as another poster put it) at any point in his life.
There's zero chance he's a millionaire. I bet he's been broke for decades. I know for a fact he has sold some of his original tapes (Stuffins) to fans. These are tapes of either versions of Alone, Wash, etc. You wouldn't do that if you were a millionaire.
There is not, in fact, "zero chance" he's a millionaire. There are plenty of reasons a person harboring a decades-long grudge would sell those tapes.
There was not a GoFundMe for his daughter. There was a FB "birthday fundraiser" in which he asked folks to contribute, on his birthday, to his daughter's ongoing education.
That said, being a millionaire and being extremely wealthy are two different things, so absolutely, his life is nowhere near the same as the rest of the guys in the band, but Dave is not broke, has not "been broke for decades."
Sorry, no one is going to convince me that Dave A is wealthy today for drumming on two records.
Yeah two records that combined to sell like 15 million copies. And he's credited as songwriter on every song except for Nothingman, Better Man, Satan's Bed, and Stupid Mop. That wouldn't make him "wealthy." As Chris Rock said once, "Shaq is rich, the white man that signs his check....he's wealthy." But "zero chance he's a millionaire" isn't correct either. There's a good chance he's a millionaire. Or at least he certainly once was one. Who knows about these days.
I 100% agree that he was a millionaire at some point. There is no doubt. I am talking specifically about today. What has he done with his life for the past 25 years? Anything of note? Does he have a job? Does he gig? If he had 2MM tax free 25 years ago, that's only 80k per year as of today, and he would be wiped out. Does anyone think he invested 2MM? Negative.
Your guess is as good as mine. All I know that he's done since leaving the band is....
-Something called "Green Romance Orchestra." I've never checked it out. -Some sessions for Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy record -Played Rearviewmirror virtually with a bunch of fans for the band's 30th anniversary
That's all I got.
His time with GnG predates anything considered ”Chinese Democracy” I think. He was there when Duff was still in the band. But maybe some jam that is CD connected happened at that time.
I am no GnR expert.
And the best drummer Pearl Jam has ever had is Matt Chamberlain. On the live disc that came with the To Venus and Back album. No contest.
Tell us more about what you think might have happened that time he almost became the drummer for GnR.
These Dave threads make me curious about royalties. Since pearl jam was in the golden age of CD sales, am I naïve to think that Dave would be set for life? I know these boards aren't about gossiping, and I don't want to speculate - I just remember a thread a while back where Mike mentioned that decades later he was still getting a few grand of royalty payments from ten.
Dave is a millionaire. Not to the extent that the other guys in the band are but, unless he's been extremely careless with his finances, he is not going to be "serving us fries" (as another poster put it) at any point in his life.
There's zero chance he's a millionaire. I bet he's been broke for decades. I know for a fact he has sold some of his original tapes (Stuffins) to fans. These are tapes of either versions of Alone, Wash, etc. You wouldn't do that if you were a millionaire.
There is not, in fact, "zero chance" he's a millionaire. There are plenty of reasons a person harboring a decades-long grudge would sell those tapes.
There was not a GoFundMe for his daughter. There was a FB "birthday fundraiser" in which he asked folks to contribute, on his birthday, to his daughter's ongoing education.
That said, being a millionaire and being extremely wealthy are two different things, so absolutely, his life is nowhere near the same as the rest of the guys in the band, but Dave is not broke, has not "been broke for decades."
Sorry, no one is going to convince me that Dave A is wealthy today for drumming on two records.
Yeah two records that combined to sell like 15 million copies. And he's credited as songwriter on every song except for Nothingman, Better Man, Satan's Bed, and Stupid Mop. That wouldn't make him "wealthy." As Chris Rock said once, "Shaq is rich, the white man that signs his check....he's wealthy." But "zero chance he's a millionaire" isn't correct either. There's a good chance he's a millionaire. Or at least he certainly once was one. Who knows about these days.
I 100% agree that he was a millionaire at some point. There is no doubt. I am talking specifically about today. What has he done with his life for the past 25 years? Anything of note? Does he have a job? Does he gig? If he had 2MM tax free 25 years ago, that's only 80k per year as of today, and he would be wiped out. Does anyone think he invested 2MM? Negative.
Your guess is as good as mine. All I know that he's done since leaving the band is....
-Something called "Green Romance Orchestra." I've never checked it out. -Some sessions for Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy record -Played Rearviewmirror virtually with a bunch of fans for the band's 30th anniversary
That's all I got.
His time with GnG predates anything considered ”Chinese Democracy” I think. He was there when Duff was still in the band. But maybe some jam that is CD connected happened at that time.
I am no GnR expert.
And the best drummer Pearl Jam has ever had is Matt Chamberlain. On the live disc that came with the To Venus and Back album. No contest.
Tell us more about what you think might have happened that time he almost became the drummer for GnR.
Why do you have to be like this.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
These Dave threads make me curious about royalties. Since pearl jam was in the golden age of CD sales, am I naïve to think that Dave would be set for life? I know these boards aren't about gossiping, and I don't want to speculate - I just remember a thread a while back where Mike mentioned that decades later he was still getting a few grand of royalty payments from ten.
Dave is a millionaire. Not to the extent that the other guys in the band are but, unless he's been extremely careless with his finances, he is not going to be "serving us fries" (as another poster put it) at any point in his life.
There's zero chance he's a millionaire. I bet he's been broke for decades. I know for a fact he has sold some of his original tapes (Stuffins) to fans. These are tapes of either versions of Alone, Wash, etc. You wouldn't do that if you were a millionaire.
Yeah, wasn't there just a Go Fund Me or something circulating the other day asking for money to help pay his daughter's college bills?
internet says his net worth is three mil. A few of these search results have the same amount. Maybe not accurate, but he has songwriter credits on a bunch of songs so does get some income from that each year.
These Dave threads make me curious about royalties. Since pearl jam was in the golden age of CD sales, am I naïve to think that Dave would be set for life? I know these boards aren't about gossiping, and I don't want to speculate - I just remember a thread a while back where Mike mentioned that decades later he was still getting a few grand of royalty payments from ten.
Dave is a millionaire. Not to the extent that the other guys in the band are but, unless he's been extremely careless with his finances, he is not going to be "serving us fries" (as another poster put it) at any point in his life.
There's zero chance he's a millionaire. I bet he's been broke for decades. I know for a fact he has sold some of his original tapes (Stuffins) to fans. These are tapes of either versions of Alone, Wash, etc. You wouldn't do that if you were a millionaire.
Yeah, wasn't there just a Go Fund Me or something circulating the other day asking for money to help pay his daughter's college bills?
internet says his net worth is three mil. A few of these search results have the same amount. Maybe not accurate, but he has songwriter credits on a bunch of songs so does get some income from that each year.
Dave A is well within the margin of error. It could be zero
I think you get a better estimate dealing with huge sums of money as it’s a lot either way vs it being some money or none
Yes these estimates can be off. Good chance EV’s worth could have went down 20% in the last 3 months with this horrific stock market…and real estate decline is on its way unfortunately if that’s where he invests. It’s possible Dave has some money/property stashed away, but not a ton.
These Dave threads make me curious about royalties. Since pearl jam was in the golden age of CD sales, am I naïve to think that Dave would be set for life? I know these boards aren't about gossiping, and I don't want to speculate - I just remember a thread a while back where Mike mentioned that decades later he was still getting a few grand of royalty payments from ten.
Dave is a millionaire. Not to the extent that the other guys in the band are but, unless he's been extremely careless with his finances, he is not going to be "serving us fries" (as another poster put it) at any point in his life.
There's zero chance he's a millionaire. I bet he's been broke for decades. I know for a fact he has sold some of his original tapes (Stuffins) to fans. These are tapes of either versions of Alone, Wash, etc. You wouldn't do that if you were a millionaire.
There is not, in fact, "zero chance" he's a millionaire. There are plenty of reasons a person harboring a decades-long grudge would sell those tapes.
There was not a GoFundMe for his daughter. There was a FB "birthday fundraiser" in which he asked folks to contribute, on his birthday, to his daughter's ongoing education.
That said, being a millionaire and being extremely wealthy are two different things, so absolutely, his life is nowhere near the same as the rest of the guys in the band, but Dave is not broke, has not "been broke for decades."
Sorry, no one is going to convince me that Dave A is wealthy today for drumming on two records.
Yeah two records that combined to sell like 15 million copies. And he's credited as songwriter on every song except for Nothingman, Better Man, Satan's Bed, and Stupid Mop. That wouldn't make him "wealthy." As Chris Rock said once, "Shaq is rich, the white man that signs his check....he's wealthy." But "zero chance he's a millionaire" isn't correct either. There's a good chance he's a millionaire. Or at least he certainly once was one. Who knows about these days.
I 100% agree that he was a millionaire at some point. There is no doubt. I am talking specifically about today. What has he done with his life for the past 25 years? Anything of note? Does he have a job? Does he gig? If he had 2MM tax free 25 years ago, that's only 80k per year as of today, and he would be wiped out. Does anyone think he invested 2MM? Negative.
Your guess is as good as mine. All I know that he's done since leaving the band is....
-Something called "Green Romance Orchestra." I've never checked it out. -Some sessions for Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy record -Played Rearviewmirror virtually with a bunch of fans for the band's 30th anniversary
That's all I got.
His time with GnG predates anything considered ”Chinese Democracy” I think. He was there when Duff was still in the band. But maybe some jam that is CD connected happened at that time.
I am no GnR expert.
And the best drummer Pearl Jam has ever had is Matt Chamberlain. On the live disc that came with the To Venus and Back album. No contest.
Tell us more about what you think might have happened that time he almost became the drummer for GnR.
Why do you have to be like this.
Just pointing out that you can only speculate about what may or may not have happened that time he almost became the drummer for GnR but didn't. & speculation is just that, speculation.
Take it easy... you know what they say about people who react sensitively.
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These Dave threads make me curious about royalties. Since pearl jam was in the golden age of CD sales, am I naïve to think that Dave would be set for life? I know these boards aren't about gossiping, and I don't want to speculate - I just remember a thread a while back where Mike mentioned that decades later he was still getting a few grand of royalty payments from ten.
Dave is a millionaire. Not to the extent that the other guys in the band are but, unless he's been extremely careless with his finances, he is not going to be "serving us fries" (as another poster put it) at any point in his life.
There's zero chance he's a millionaire. I bet he's been broke for decades. I know for a fact he has sold some of his original tapes (Stuffins) to fans. These are tapes of either versions of Alone, Wash, etc. You wouldn't do that if you were a millionaire.
There is not, in fact, "zero chance" he's a millionaire. There are plenty of reasons a person harboring a decades-long grudge would sell those tapes.
There was not a GoFundMe for his daughter. There was a FB "birthday fundraiser" in which he asked folks to contribute, on his birthday, to his daughter's ongoing education.
That said, being a millionaire and being extremely wealthy are two different things, so absolutely, his life is nowhere near the same as the rest of the guys in the band, but Dave is not broke, has not "been broke for decades."
Sorry, no one is going to convince me that Dave A is wealthy today for drumming on two records.
Yeah two records that combined to sell like 15 million copies. And he's credited as songwriter on every song except for Nothingman, Better Man, Satan's Bed, and Stupid Mop. That wouldn't make him "wealthy." As Chris Rock said once, "Shaq is rich, the white man that signs his check....he's wealthy." But "zero chance he's a millionaire" isn't correct either. There's a good chance he's a millionaire. Or at least he certainly once was one. Who knows about these days.
I 100% agree that he was a millionaire at some point. There is no doubt. I am talking specifically about today. What has he done with his life for the past 25 years? Anything of note? Does he have a job? Does he gig? If he had 2MM tax free 25 years ago, that's only 80k per year as of today, and he would be wiped out. Does anyone think he invested 2MM? Negative.
Your guess is as good as mine. All I know that he's done since leaving the band is....
-Something called "Green Romance Orchestra." I've never checked it out. -Some sessions for Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy record -Played Rearviewmirror virtually with a bunch of fans for the band's 30th anniversary
That's all I got.
His time with GnG predates anything considered ”Chinese Democracy” I think. He was there when Duff was still in the band. But maybe some jam that is CD connected happened at that time.
I am no GnR expert.
And the best drummer Pearl Jam has ever had is Matt Chamberlain. On the live disc that came with the To Venus and Back album. No contest.
Tell us more about what you think might have happened that time he almost became the drummer for GnR.
Why do you have to be like this.
Just pointing out that you can only speculate about what may or may not have happened that time he almost became the drummer for GnR but didn't. & speculation is just that, speculation.
What do you mean? He himself has talked about that period. And there are other sources regarding the b and, and the CD songs and where they came from?
So take it easy... you know what they say about people who don't make sense
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Speak for yourself, this old timer is glad the band moved on from him.
Me too. I love MFC's drumming. I think he's amazing. He's not just a cement mixer, he's technical, he has jazz root (which I love) and the band is so tight with him. That's the thing that stood out most in Oakland. They were all over the place and loose. It was cool for a show or two, but I wouldn't want that all the time.
I’m not saying permanently, but a few of us would have loved to see Dave A for a single show in Sacto while Matt was out.
I would have just loved to see a show in Sac period. They could have thrown drumsticks at my head for all I care.
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1996 - Toronto
1998 - Barrie
2000 - Toronto
2003 - Buffalo, Toronto
2005 - Hamilton, Toronto
2006 - Toronto I, Toronto II
2008 - EV solo Toronto I
2010 - Buffalo, Newark
2011 - Toronto I, Toronto II, Hamilton
2013 - London, Chicago, Buffalo, Brooklyn I, Brooklyn II, Philadelphia I, Philadelphia II
2014 - Detroit
2016 - Philadelphia I, Philadelphia II, New York I, New York II, Ottawa, Toronto I, Toronto II, Chicago I, Chicago II
2018 - Boston I, Boston II
Yeah two records that combined to sell like 15 million copies. And he's credited as songwriter on every song except for Nothingman, Better Man, Satan's Bed, and Stupid Mop. That wouldn't make him "wealthy." As Chris Rock said once, "Shaq is rich, the white man that signs his check....he's wealthy." But "zero chance he's a millionaire" isn't correct either. There's a good chance he's a millionaire. Or at least he certainly once was one. Who knows about these days.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
https://youtu.be/60jhpgpU-JE
Not apples and oranges. Class and Sass.
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
Speak for yourself, this old timer is glad the band moved on from him.
plug 1 million into a retirement draw down calculator. It’s not a lot so whatever the number is doesn’t matter, it’s not wealthy or set for life
-Something called "Green Romance Orchestra." I've never checked it out.
-Some sessions for Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy record
-Played Rearviewmirror virtually with a bunch of fans for the band's 30th anniversary
That's all I got.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
I agree with everything you said about the band being tight around him. The guys is a f'ing machine behind the kit, a true joy to watch.
For my money though, the Jack Irons albums are my runaway favorites, so by default, he's my favorite PJ drummer.
Thank you for asking.
Those 10% are the ones that can find value both in 1992 and the present.
I am no GnR expert.
And the best drummer Pearl Jam has ever had is Matt Chamberlain. On the live disc that came with the To Venus and Back album. No contest.
internet says his net worth is three mil. A few of these search results have the same amount. Maybe not accurate, but he has songwriter credits on a bunch of songs so does get some income from that each year.
https://networthpost.org/dave-abbruzzese-net-worth/
Dave A is well within the margin of error. It could be zero
I think you get a better estimate dealing with huge sums of money as it’s a lot either way vs it being some money or none
Just pointing out that you can only speculate about what may or may not have happened that time he almost became the drummer for GnR but didn't. & speculation is just that, speculation.
Take it easy... you know what they say about people who react sensitively.
So take it easy... you know what they say about people who don't make sense