Former drummer Dave Abbruzzese reflects on the tour cancellation

Gern Blansten

apirk72 said:

If Jeff would have gotten it first they probably would've tried to find another bass player, and then would've cancelled if Matt then got sick.  I don't think what they did had anything to do with instruments, obviously if Ed had covid first they would've cancelled.

disagree....no way they go on stage without Jeff, Mike or Stone

Merkin Baller

 

This gets more & more comical with every new thread.  

nicknyr15

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Cropduster-80

Gern Blansten said:

apirk72 said:

If Jeff would have gotten it first they probably would've tried to find another bass player, and then would've cancelled if Matt then got sick.  I don't think what they did had anything to do with instruments, obviously if Ed had covid first they would've cancelled.

disagree....no way they go on stage without Jeff, Mike or Stone

I agree minus the fact we are two years into cancellations and reschedules.

normally  no, I think in this situation the just might have tried. 

 I’m not convinced they would have replaced Matt either under normal circumstances 

mrussel1

Gern Blansten said:

I think what he is saying is pretty clear....why is it ok to replace the drummer and not the bass player?

Well we don't know if MFC is even ready to go.  So can you imagine bringing in an entirely new rhythm section?  That doesn't seem feasible.  Plus, all three of the drummers that played (not the kid and the guy from the audience) had worked with the band before.  So there was at least strong familiarity.  

Spiritual_Chaos

Gern Blansten said:

apirk72 said:

If Jeff would have gotten it first they probably would've tried to find another bass player, and then would've cancelled if Matt then got sick.  I don't think what they did had anything to do with instruments, obviously if Ed had covid first they would've cancelled.

disagree....no way they go on stage without Jeff, Mike or Stone

I would imagine many Metallica fans would have said the same about going on without Lars Ulrich, before they did.

And KISS fans about the band going on without lead singer and founder Paul Stanley, before they did.

I think also the discussion with the band and management has to do with more than just "who will be on stage". There are other factors in play. Like Cropduster touched upon above.

droptheleash9

It's crazy that people actually want this guy back and to see him play with the band. He can get lost.

Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think what he is saying is pretty clear....why is it ok to replace the drummer and not the bass player?

Well we don't know if MFC is even ready to go.  So can you imagine bringing in an entirely new rhythm section?  That doesn't seem feasible.  Plus, all three of the drummers that played (not the kid and the guy from the audience) had worked with the band before.  So there was at least strong familiarity.  

Neil Young loved playing with Jack irons. 

Jack Irons - Drums
Neil Young - Bass

WHAT DREAMS ARE MADE OF

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think what he is saying is pretty clear....why is it ok to replace the drummer and not the bass player?

Well we don't know if MFC is even ready to go.  So can you imagine bringing in an entirely new rhythm section?  That doesn't seem feasible.  Plus, all three of the drummers that played (not the kid and the guy from the audience) had worked with the band before.  So there was at least strong familiarity.  

Neil Young loved playing with Jack irons. 

Jack Irons - Drums
Neil Young - Bass

WHAT DREAMS ARE MADE OF

Yeah that would have been the most amazing. I was at Oakland and was thinking about NY since he lives close to there.  But there was no way since he won't even tour yet.  

Ledbetterman10

Gern Blansten said:

apirk72 said:

If Jeff would have gotten it first they probably would've tried to find another bass player, and then would've cancelled if Matt then got sick.  I don't think what they did had anything to do with instruments, obviously if Ed had covid first they would've cancelled.

disagree....no way they go on stage without Jeff, Mike or Stone

They played without Stone once before. 09/23/02 opening for The Who at the House of Blues for a benefit concert. They did have a cardboard cut-out of Stone on stage though. Of course that was a short set as an opener which is quite different than pulling off a real show without him. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Ledbetterman10 said:

Of course that was a short set as an opener which is quite different than pulling off a real show without him. 

Is it though? With a replacement instead of a cardboard cut out, that is.

Ledbetterman10

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Of course that was a short set as an opener which is quite different than pulling off a real show without him. 

Is it though? With a replacement instead of a cardboard cut out, that is.

No I mean without him or a replacement. Oh I'm of the belief that any of them except Eddie can be replaced for a show or two if COVID forces their hand. 

josevolution

Uhmm Dave eh 

heartofadog

A few pretty generous readings of this, which tracks with the bizarre obsession some folks have with this dude. The insinuation is pretty clearly that Pearl Jam considers some members irreplaceable, but not their drummer, whomever it may be. It’s an ignorant and petty sentiment, especially considering the situation. Dude is clearly still bitter, nearly 30 years after his firing. Kinda pathetic, in my opinion.

PJammer4life

Were Sacto and Vegas added dates or make up dates from 2020? Cause that makes a difference too. I believe the band really wanted to make good for the fans who waited so long and held tickets.

edocon

PJammer4life said:

Were Sacto and Vegas added dates or make up dates from 2020? Cause that makes a difference too. I believe the band really wanted to make good for the fans who waited so long and held tickets.

They were added dates.

Gern Blansten

heartofadog said:

A few pretty generous readings of this, which tracks with the bizarre obsession some folks have with this dude. The insinuation is pretty clearly that Pearl Jam considers some members irreplaceable, but not their drummer, whomever it may be. It’s an ignorant and petty sentiment, especially considering the situation. Dude is clearly still bitter, nearly 30 years after his firing. Kinda pathetic, in my opinion.

ignorant and petty but based on reality....I mean he does have a point

tbergs

Oh boy, another Dave thread. Some fans are so obsessed with 1992. So weird.

JimmyV

They never had to fire the bass player, Dave. 

Spiritual_Chaos

tbergs said:

Oh boy, another Dave thread. Some fans are so obsessed with 1992. So weird.

82% of people going to the shows are there for Jeremy, Alive, Black and Evenflow. 

The 8% not "obsessed with 1992" are de facto the outlier. As in, the "weird".

Cropduster-80

Spiritual_Chaos said:

tbergs said:

Oh boy, another Dave thread. Some fans are so obsessed with 1992. So weird.

82% of people going to the shows are there for Jeremy, Alive, Black and Evenflow. 

The 8% not "obsessed with 1992" are de facto the outlier. As in, the "weird".

You aren’t wrong


I’m weird though. Peak PJ was no code through riot act.

That early stuff I can take or leave.  I appreciate the crowd energy to those songs probably more than the songs themselves.  I rarely sit and listen to the first 3 albums 

Clapper

Embarrassing.  He was the drummer for like 10% of the band's career. Outside of a few hold outs on this forum and Dave, I don't think many would even think of him as the associated drummer with Pearl Jam.  It's like getting married young, it not working out and then 30 years later, after an entire lifetime apart, one person still talks badly about the relationship, and one person doesn't doesn't even think about it...at all.  They only time Dave makes it in the media or on socials is to bad mouth the band.  Hard to imagine why they'd rather use literally anyone else to drum than to call him. 

Ledbetterman10

Clapper said:

Embarrassing.  He was the drummer for like 10% of the band's career. Outside of a few hold outs on this forum and Dave, I don't think many would even think of him as the associated drummer with Pearl Jam.  It's like getting married young, it not working out and then 30 years later, after an entire lifetime apart, one person still talks badly about the relationship, and one person doesn't doesn't even think about it...at all.  They only time Dave makes it in the media or on socials is to bad mouth the band.  Hard to imagine why they'd rather use literally anyone else to drum than to call him. 

This is a great analogy. 

jpdannabelle

The Dave thing is old man. He fucked up somewhere. The whole band wanted him out. Whatever, who cares. All the Dave fan boys can go cry in a corner. Boo hoo. It was business. If you watch the 1996 Grammy acceptance speech, Stone thanks Dave Abbruzzese while smirking and Mike laughs. The whole band grew to hate him. He was lucky to get the job and he fucked up along the way. Oh well. Sucks to be him. The real question is where would the band be if Soundgarden didn’t break up and Matt Cameron wasn’t available.

pearljammr78

Maybe Dave had tickets to the Sacramento show and drove all the way there to get an afternoon cancellation. He hasn’t worked in forever so money is an issue. 

pjhawks

and he wonders why they don't invite him back for things.  

pearljammr78

Cropduster-80 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

tbergs said:

Oh boy, another Dave thread. Some fans are so obsessed with 1992. So weird.

82% of people going to the shows are there for Jeremy, Alive, Black and Evenflow. 

The 8% not "obsessed with 1992" are de facto the outlier. As in, the "weird".

You aren’t wrong


I’m weird though. Peak PJ was no code through riot act.

That early stuff I can take or leave.  I appreciate the crowd energy to those songs probably more than the songs themselves.  I rarely sit and listen to the first 3 albums 

The early albums got me into to Pj but the “hits” are like classic rock songs to me. I could go the rest of my life with never hearing Jimi Hendrix again. Not a knock on Jimi. If I would have gone to Fresno and Dave K wouldn’t have drummed on the 10 songs I would have been super disappointed in the show. Call it what you want but it was a greatest hits show. If I never hear Elderly Women again it would be fine with me. They need to play the hits and like the post says, I’m there for the energy those songs bring but also to hear songs I believe to be better like Faithful or Sleight of Hand to name a couple. But Fresno was most likely my last PJ show so at least I got Dave K. Peace. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Ledbetterman10 said:

Clapper said:

Embarrassing.  He was the drummer for like 10% of the band's career. Outside of a few hold outs on this forum and Dave, I don't think many would even think of him as the associated drummer with Pearl Jam.  It's like getting married young, it not working out and then 30 years later, after an entire lifetime apart, one person still talks badly about the relationship, and one person doesn't doesn't even think about it...at all.  They only time Dave makes it in the media or on socials is to bad mouth the band.  Hard to imagine why they'd rather use literally anyone else to drum than to call him. 

This is a great analogy. 

If it wasn't for the fact that the person who "doesn't doesn't even think about it... at all" sat at a festival 30 years later about to play a song that person from that young marriage once wrote and acted out some so-so theater about not even remembering the persons name he was once youngly madly marriaged to...

... doesn't really scream all that confidently "doesn't doesn't even think about it". Something petty seem to linger from that thing, an entire lifetime apart that one supposedly doesn't doesn't even think about.

And also. It's a shit analogy. Because no one moves on from that young love. Young love in our formative years is to strong to ever disappear our hearts. Haven't people on here ever read a love story, watched one or listened to one being sung. Get educated.

https://youtu.be/H7e2jLeRDpE

Clapper

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Clapper said:

Embarrassing.  He was the drummer for like 10% of the band's career. Outside of a few hold outs on this forum and Dave, I don't think many would even think of him as the associated drummer with Pearl Jam.  It's like getting married young, it not working out and then 30 years later, after an entire lifetime apart, one person still talks badly about the relationship, and one person doesn't doesn't even think about it...at all.  They only time Dave makes it in the media or on socials is to bad mouth the band.  Hard to imagine why they'd rather use literally anyone else to drum than to call him. 

This is a great analogy. 

If it wasn't for the fact that the person who "doesn't doesn't even think about it... at all" sat at a festival 30 years later about to play a song that person from that young marriage once wrote and acted out some so-so theater about not even remembering the persons name he was once youngly madly marriaged to...

... doesn't really scream all that confidently "doesn't doesn't even think about it". Something petty seem to linger from that thing, an entire lifetime apart that one supposedly doesn't doesn't even think about.

And also. It's a shit analogy. Because no one moves on from that young love. Young love in our formative years is to strong to ever disappear our hearts. Haven't people on here ever read a love story, watched one or listened to one being sung. Get educated.

The girls you dated in high school must really appreciate the angry and cryptic posts on their facebook walls 30 years later.  Educate us about the healthy people that can't move on with their lives.       

Merkin Baller

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