“PJ Premium” on Ticketmaster?

OceansJenny · March 2022

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Real question is how many fans are being alienated by the shuts outs and platinum sticker shock? If I was a casual fan and logged on to see $5,000 tickets I might not bother next time a tour is announced. Maybe TM doesn’t care if they get their max return each time but you think the band would care.

As a fan of other bands, seeing Platinum on nearly every other band I go to see, it would not phase me. I always check my favorite bands and I always see those ridiculous prices, but I keep coming back and trying to get lower cost tickets.

Fair enough!

Vedd Hedd · March 2022

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JR86440 said:

People who complain about premium have never tried to run a business. There are sooooo many costs that go into running a business that people don’t see. It’s not as simple as multiplying 20k seats by $100 and dividing by 6 band members… counting Boom of course! Benefits for employees, liability insurance, salaries, rent, taxes, travel, crew, etc. Plus they need to Maher a profit. It’s not a non profit organization. $100 for 95% of the crowd for a band of PJ’s caliber is dirt cheap in my mind. And they aren’t the chili peppers who play 18 songs. Either need to accept premium or accept $150 tickets. Add in the fact that they have families to support I feel what they are doing is more than reasonable

Yet they have managed to run their business without doing PJ Premium for 30 years until now. Just moderately increasing ticket prices at a fair and reasonable rate as time has gone on. Are you saying that the business model they used for 3 decades was faulty?
My hunch is that given inflation, the "moderately increasing ticket prices at a fair and reasonable rate" method you describe would put tickets at around $150-$200 range (vs the $108 they're charging). Since so many ppl probably got refunds in 2020 and are now attempting to buy again, I'm guessing that PJ wanted to keep prices looking like they did in 2020 for the vast majority (and defray the difference with a few Premium seats) vs doubling the price for everyone.

And while I do love the old model... even this current model (mostly low cost tickets + a smattering of premium) is honestly not that bad compared to most other artists. If we're ranking all bands/artists on a spectrum of "fair pricing policies", even the "PJ Premium" method is better and more fair than 99% of the other bands out there. Honestly can't think of a single band or artist that has kept prices this low.

Most of these arenas seat around 17,000 ppl. I'm seeing about 50-100 Premium seats per show. I hate dynamic pricing as much as the next guy, but it's wild to me that ppl are getting this angry about the 0.5% of overpriced tickets while not appreciating that the other 99.5% are by far the lowest most reasonable you will find in any band/artist of Pearl Jam's level.

It isn't about the 0.5% of overpriced tickets......it is about a persona created over nearly 30 years and then obliterated in one business transaction in 2022. That is the point. The hypocrisy rings loud as can be.

I dont quite get your point. You are saying they should lose money on the tour based on some persona?
Or are you saying charge EVERYONE more, so that there are no premium seats?

Define "losing money." Aside from their actual music their persona is likely why many fell in love with them, I would imagine. I am saying don't criticize scalpers/scalping and then condone it only when it benefits you. I would be all for consistent tiered pricing. GA $$$ lower level $$ upper level $. If the band/TM has a number to reach there are many ways to obtain it. The "elite" mentality of PJ Premium is NOT the mentality the band exhibited during the years of establishing their persona....you know when Stone and Jeff went to Congress...

Pearl Jammers Testify Before Congress : Pop music: Before a House panel, members of the Seattle band allege monopolistic practices by Ticketmaster, whose chief executive counters the charges. - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

I dont think that "elite" is necessarily the mentality.

I think the options were "Raise prices significantly across all levels to cover TM's requests" or "Keep some prices moderate, while allowing TM to keep some back and charge more, and in the process, the band gets more too"

I am ok with that.

Also, yeah, I think things change over the course of 30+ years. They did their time drudging through clubs, paying for their own travel and booking, charging 20 bucks a ticket, etc. They lasted, and they are a massively popular band whom everyone wants to see, and they dont have the energy or desire to tour 80 dates a year.

For me "elite" = "premium."
To be clear, I am not actually mad with the band or the 10c for doing whatever it is they wish to do. More power to them. They deserve it. We all wish to be in their position in our careers.
However, the hypocrisy in the overall circumstance is too overwhelming. To not be able to see it is to have blind loyalty, in my opinion.

Fair point, but I dont see it as hypocrisy.

First, I think this is more of a TM thing than a 10C or band thing.

But even in light of that...those days 30 years ago are long gone, as someone said. Trying to hold them to some idealistic standard that was set way back then is just unfair. If they want to tour, they have to play by the system that is in place. I'm sure they would rather play by a different set of rules, but they have to do what they can.

Remember the disaster when they tried to tour without TM? It was nearly impossible for people to get tickets. Forget fan clubs for a moment, just actually anyone getting to see them was a disaster.

Luckytwn1 · March 2022

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It seems to me that the majority of people who are getting bent out of shape over the pj premium (platinum) tickets being sold, are misplacing their frustration...which should be directed solely toward ticketmaster. No one in the band is making extra money from platinum ticket sales. Ticketmaster is, and it's the cost of being forced to do business with them.

Yes, they are.
It's how Live Nation gets bands to agree to it. They divvy up the added revenue with the band, usually through a percentage of net profit from tix sales beyond the flat fee paid for the show/tour.
Do you really think PJ would agree to this and just let Ticketmaster and Live Nation (one and the same) reap the only financial benefit?
If there were no benefit to the band they wouldn't sign off on it, And be sure, they signed off on it.

If you read my whole post, I did mention the benefit in signing off on this. I just suspect that the benefit doesn't equate to more cash in the bank accounts of Eddie Vedder and co.

You're suggesting it does, and perhaps it's possible you are right. Based on my knowledge of how ticketmaster operates as a business however, I highly doubt that is the case. Can you prove the band is receiving extra revenue from inflated platinum ticket sales? Do you know this for a fact?

Just generally, you are definitely wrong. Ed's tour is a perfect example. When promoters bid on shows, the artist normally asks for a guarantee. The artist could take less money and then there is less need for platinum ticketing. All involved are making more money. In Ed's case, he had a band that was no doubt very expensive to tour with and he was playing small venues. For him to make lots of money, the promoters needed the Platinum Tickets.

Now it is true, on a Pearl Jam tour, the fan club tickets do become another factor that has to be considered and is something that is a part of the negotiation. But at the end of the day, it is 100 percent sure that Pearl Jam is making more money from the Platinum Ticketing.

And as far as how Ticketmaster operates as a business, that is a notion fans use to console themselves when an artist does something they don't like. Ticketmaster doesn't set pricing. Promoters and the artist do as part of the negotiations mentioned above. Of course, sometimes Live Nation is the promoter so that makes it murkier but TM does not set prices.

uglybabo · March 2022

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I’ve seen it mentioned but I think the one adjustment needed is that the PJ premium seats need to be transferable.

If I buy a fan club ticket for $125-150, and I can sell it for face if I can’t go, there’s a good chance it’ll sell and at worst I’m out $150.

But if I buy a premium seat for $2000+ and my only recourse is to list at $2000+ There’s a good chance it won’t sell, and I’ll lose $2000+.

Ticketmaster/the band has their $2000, that they consider market value, so what I do with that ticket shouldn’t matter to them.

Easy change would be to allow face or lower on F2F. There is no reason to limit the bottom except to give TM an edge on selling on their tickets. Consumer gets screwed.

That’s a good idea as well. I’ve seen Ticketmaster purposefully undercut as the show draws near, ie. releasing tickets one row closer, $50 cheaper.

foriginalsin · March 2022

Agree there should be no Floor for selling tickets on fan2fan.

bbiggs · March 2022

Fascinating thread. Clearly a polarizing topic. In the end, the most transparent way to do it is to just come out and charge higher ticket prices, at FIXED prices, throughout the venue. GA and best seats get Tier 1, whatever that may be. Good seats get Tier 2. Nosebleeds get Tier 3. They surely have a target revenue number going into each show and tour, so price the tickets accordingly. It is really that simple. No more smoke and mirror bullshit with the variable Platinum, I mean PJ, Pricing. And no more artificial scarcity.

Vedd Hedd · March 2022

If they make GA the most, and then 100 Level tier 2, etc....then they are pricing out a bunch of fans. I like they way they did this better, to be honest.

Zod · March 2022

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You are missing the point and PJ lost that battle if you recall. The days of fixed prices for the entire event are gone. It is market based pricing through TM now. It is actually quite smart even though it is the fan that loses out. There is nothing "elite" about it. It is a monopoly in motion. The same monopoly is squeezing every artist out there. This has been going on for many years in different forms. It will only get worse until there is competition in the market.

I was under the impression TM doesn't force platinum. Not all artists use it. Most do now, but not all. TM invented platinum as a way to earn more concert revenue which benefits everyone (TM, promoter, band, etc...). But you don't need to use it, but it's going to get you a larger gaurantee from the promoter as it allows them to create more revenue.

I kind of felt like because the recording aspect of the business pays bunk now, that they're figuring out how to make more touring. One of those things was.. how do we dip into what the scalpers make off our tickets.

That's my thoughts. I think it'll continue because everyone gets paid more from it, but I'm not entirely convinced it's mandatory, but I would say it's hard to pass up in a world where you barely get paid to record music.

bbiggs · March 2022

Vedd Hedd said:

If they make GA the most, and then 100 Level tier 2, etc....then they are pricing out a bunch of fans. I like they way they did this better, to be honest.

Fair enough. Getting everyone to agree is never going to happen. There will always be a segment of the fan base that bitches no matter what they decide. It is trying to find which option leads to the least amount of bitching. Not easy though.

Vedd Hedd · March 2022

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Get_Right said:

You are missing the point and PJ lost that battle if you recall. The days of fixed prices for the entire event are gone. It is market based pricing through TM now. It is actually quite smart even though it is the fan that loses out. There is nothing "elite" about it. It is a monopoly in motion. The same monopoly is squeezing every artist out there. This has been going on for many years in different forms. It will only get worse until there is competition in the market.

I was under the impression TM doesn't force platinum. Not all artists use it. Most do now, but not all. TM invented platinum as a way to earn more concert revenue which benefits everyone (TM, promoter, band, etc...). But you don't need to use it, but it's going to get you a larger gaurantee from the promoter as it allows them to create more revenue.

I kind of felt like because the recording aspect of the business pays bunk now, that they're figuring out how to make more touring. One of those things was.. how do we dip into what the scalpers make off our tickets.

That's my thoughts. I think it'll continue because everyone gets paid more from it, but I'm not entirely convinced it's mandatory, but I would say it's hard to pass up in a world where you barely get paid to record music.

That is also a good point. Albums are basically a gift. I mean, I know they make money, esp vinyl. But I assume they have to front the money to get the album made....studios, recording, mixing, then making the physical media, which means paying for all that in advance, etc. That much has not changed, but the fact that physical (and even digital) album sales are basically a dead thing....touring is even more important to a band than ever.

That is also why you see newer artists...."Selling out" early...I hate to use that term, but radio is dead. Algorithims sometimes dictate what songs are played to you and they usually pick repeats...so some of these newer artists need to have their music heard in commercials or movies/tv/games, etc.

But yeah, touring is really the only thing the artist fully controls and can make real money off of.

Vedd Hedd · March 2022

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If they make GA the most, and then 100 Level tier 2, etc....then they are pricing out a bunch of fans. I like they way they did this better, to be honest.

Fair enough. Getting everyone to agree is never going to happen. There will always be a segment of the fan base that bitches no matter what they decide. It is trying to find which option leads to the least amount of bitching. Not easy though.

Yeah, agreed.

Vedd Hedd · March 2022

I'll admit...when I saw the premium stuff for Ed's shows, I was like, "Hmm", but i didnt give it much more thought than that. With recent events, I'm just happy I get to still see them play live from time to time. Nothing is guaranteed.

JimmyV · March 2022

bbiggs said:

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Vedd Hedd said:

If they make GA the most, and then 100 Level tier 2, etc....then they are pricing out a bunch of fans. I like they way they did this better, to be honest.

Fair enough. Getting everyone to agree is never going to happen. There will always be a segment of the fan base that bitches no matter what they decide. It is trying to find which option leads to the least amount of bitching. Not easy though.

There will also always be a segment that throws themselves on a proverbial grenade defending whatever happens, too. Pleasing either group isn't the goal. Finding the option that makes the most sense for the business, the band's reputation, and the customer base they are trying to serve is what they need to do. I don't agree that labelling Platinum tickets PJ Premium was the best option, but they didn't ask me.

Get_Right · March 2022

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You are missing the point and PJ lost that battle if you recall. The days of fixed prices for the entire event are gone. It is market based pricing through TM now. It is actually quite smart even though it is the fan that loses out. There is nothing "elite" about it. It is a monopoly in motion. The same monopoly is squeezing every artist out there. This has been going on for many years in different forms. It will only get worse until there is competition in the market.

I was under the impression TM doesn't force platinum. Not all artists use it. Most do now, but not all. TM invented platinum as a way to earn more concert revenue which benefits everyone (TM, promoter, band, etc...). But you don't need to use it, but it's going to get you a larger gaurantee from the promoter as it allows them to create more revenue.

I kind of felt like because the recording aspect of the business pays bunk now, that they're figuring out how to make more touring. One of those things was.. how do we dip into what the scalpers make off our tickets.

That's my thoughts. I think it'll continue because everyone gets paid more from it, but I'm not entirely convinced it's mandatory, but I would say it's hard to pass up in a world where you barely get paid to record music.

I believe, without actually knowing, that it is very close to, if not, absolutely mandatory. They do not want to lose a nickel to the resellers and that is what is driving this. Not simply getting more for each show. They want to put stubhub out of business. This is all TM business strategy and modeling. TM withholds the seats from public sale and resellers cannot obtain them at the lower cost. Its that simple. It is not about the band, the fans or anything else. It is about selling tickets at the highest possible market price instead of a fixed pre-determined price.

They do not want to sell a ticket for $200 when someone will pay $600 for the same ticket. TM has very sophisticated and automated algorithms to understand the market prices and the exact timing to raise or lower prices based on demand. It is very smart from a business perspective. Hedge fund strategy being executed by a monopoly where the fan/consumer is the loser.

Edit: Live Nation is the promoter for most TM events. Guess who owns them? TM.

Poncier · March 2022

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People who complain about premium have never tried to run a business. There are sooooo many costs that go into running a business that people don’t see. It’s not as simple as multiplying 20k seats by $100 and dividing by 6 band members… counting Boom of course! Benefits for employees, liability insurance, salaries, rent, taxes, travel, crew, etc. Plus they need to Maher a profit. It’s not a non profit organization. $100 for 95% of the crowd for a band of PJ’s caliber is dirt cheap in my mind. And they aren’t the chili peppers who play 18 songs. Either need to accept premium or accept $150 tickets. Add in the fact that they have families to support I feel what they are doing is more than reasonable

Yet they have managed to run their business without doing PJ Premium for 30 years until now. Just moderately increasing ticket prices at a fair and reasonable rate as time has gone on. Are you saying that the business model they used for 3 decades was faulty?

Most of these arenas seat around 17,000 ppl. I'm seeing about 50-100 Premium seats per show. I hate dynamic pricing as much as the next guy, but it's wild to me that ppl are getting this angry about the 0.5% of overpriced tickets while not appreciating that the other 99.5% are by far the lowest most reasonable you will find in any band/artist of Pearl Jam's level.

Just did a count at Fresno for shits & giggles, there's 224 on the map currently and you can tell where others near them have sold. Plus as others mentioned, what we saw with EdVed and the Martians means we'll likely see more added.
So while it's not thousands upon thousands, it's not 50-100, and also its the specific seats that used to be verbatim promised to 10 clubbers (floor directly behind pit, and best seats in lower bowl).

smile6680 · March 2022

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JimmyV said:

bbiggs said:

Vedd Hedd said:

If they make GA the most, and then 100 Level tier 2, etc....then they are pricing out a bunch of fans. I like they way they did this better, to be honest.

Fair enough. Getting everyone to agree is never going to happen. There will always be a segment of the fan base that bitches no matter what they decide. It is trying to find which option leads to the least amount of bitching. Not easy though.

There will also always be a segment that throws themselves on a proverbial grenade defending whatever happens, too. Pleasing either group isn't the goal. Finding the option that makes the most sense for the business, the band's reputation, and the customer base they are trying to serve is what they need to do. I don't agree that labelling Platinum tickets PJ Premium was the best option, but they didn't ask me.

Once again ticket issues have come up. Why doesn't the ten club just be open and honest about ticketing. Rationale adults can handle the truth. Most posts I read are all speculation or from people "who know how the business works".

JimmyV · March 2022

smile6680 said:

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JimmyV said:

bbiggs said:

Vedd Hedd said:

If they make GA the most, and then 100 Level tier 2, etc....then they are pricing out a bunch of fans. I like they way they did this better, to be honest.

Fair enough. Getting everyone to agree is never going to happen. There will always be a segment of the fan base that bitches no matter what they decide. It is trying to find which option leads to the least amount of bitching. Not easy though.

There will also always be a segment that throws themselves on a proverbial grenade defending whatever happens, too. Pleasing either group isn't the goal. Finding the option that makes the most sense for the business, the band's reputation, and the customer base they are trying to serve is what they need to do. I don't agree that labelling Platinum tickets PJ Premium was the best option, but they didn't ask me.

Once again ticket issues have come up. Why doesn't the ten club just be open and honest about ticketing. Rationale adults can handle the truth. Most posts I read are all speculation or from people "who know how the business works".

Are you doubting people who say trust me on the internet? I'm shocked! ;-)

Get_Right · March 2022

smile6680 said:

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JimmyV said:

bbiggs said:

Vedd Hedd said:

If they make GA the most, and then 100 Level tier 2, etc....then they are pricing out a bunch of fans. I like they way they did this better, to be honest.

Fair enough. Getting everyone to agree is never going to happen. There will always be a segment of the fan base that bitches no matter what they decide. It is trying to find which option leads to the least amount of bitching. Not easy though.

There will also always be a segment that throws themselves on a proverbial grenade defending whatever happens, too. Pleasing either group isn't the goal. Finding the option that makes the most sense for the business, the band's reputation, and the customer base they are trying to serve is what they need to do. I don't agree that labelling Platinum tickets PJ Premium was the best option, but they didn't ask me.

Once again ticket issues have come up. Why doesn't the ten club just be open and honest about ticketing. Rationale adults can handle the truth. Most posts I read are all speculation or from people "who know how the business works".

NDA. Non-disclosure agreement. People have been trying to get visibility into TM for many years. With no luck. I have been saying for a very long time that is probably the only way to fight TM. Full public disclosure. Even then most governments have bigger problems.

cmalisze · March 2022

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cmalisze said:

Vedd Hedd said:

cmalisze said:

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cmalisze said:

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JR86440 said:

People who complain about premium have never tried to run a business. There are sooooo many costs that go into running a business that people don’t see. It’s not as simple as multiplying 20k seats by $100 and dividing by 6 band members… counting Boom of course! Benefits for employees, liability insurance, salaries, rent, taxes, travel, crew, etc. Plus they need to Maher a profit. It’s not a non profit organization. $100 for 95% of the crowd for a band of PJ’s caliber is dirt cheap in my mind. And they aren’t the chili peppers who play 18 songs. Either need to accept premium or accept $150 tickets. Add in the fact that they have families to support I feel what they are doing is more than reasonable

Yet they have managed to run their business without doing PJ Premium for 30 years until now. Just moderately increasing ticket prices at a fair and reasonable rate as time has gone on. Are you saying that the business model they used for 3 decades was faulty?
My hunch is that given inflation, the "moderately increasing ticket prices at a fair and reasonable rate" method you describe would put tickets at around $150-$200 range (vs the $108 they're charging). Since so many ppl probably got refunds in 2020 and are now attempting to buy again, I'm guessing that PJ wanted to keep prices looking like they did in 2020 for the vast majority (and defray the difference with a few Premium seats) vs doubling the price for everyone.

And while I do love the old model... even this current model (mostly low cost tickets + a smattering of premium) is honestly not that bad compared to most other artists. If we're ranking all bands/artists on a spectrum of "fair pricing policies", even the "PJ Premium" method is better and more fair than 99% of the other bands out there. Honestly can't think of a single band or artist that has kept prices this low.

Most of these arenas seat around 17,000 ppl. I'm seeing about 50-100 Premium seats per show. I hate dynamic pricing as much as the next guy, but it's wild to me that ppl are getting this angry about the 0.5% of overpriced tickets while not appreciating that the other 99.5% are by far the lowest most reasonable you will find in any band/artist of Pearl Jam's level.

It isn't about the 0.5% of overpriced tickets......it is about a persona created over nearly 30 years and then obliterated in one business transaction in 2022. That is the point. The hypocrisy rings loud as can be.

I dont quite get your point. You are saying they should lose money on the tour based on some persona?
Or are you saying charge EVERYONE more, so that there are no premium seats?

Define "losing money." Aside from their actual music their persona is likely why many fell in love with them, I would imagine. I am saying don't criticize scalpers/scalping and then condone it only when it benefits you. I would be all for consistent tiered pricing. GA $$$ lower level $$ upper level $. If the band/TM has a number to reach there are many ways to obtain it. The "elite" mentality of PJ Premium is NOT the mentality the band exhibited during the years of establishing their persona....you know when Stone and Jeff went to Congress...

Pearl Jammers Testify Before Congress : Pop music: Before a House panel, members of the Seattle band allege monopolistic practices by Ticketmaster, whose chief executive counters the charges. - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

I dont think that "elite" is necessarily the mentality.

I think the options were "Raise prices significantly across all levels to cover TM's requests" or "Keep some prices moderate, while allowing TM to keep some back and charge more, and in the process, the band gets more too"

I am ok with that.

Also, yeah, I think things change over the course of 30+ years. They did their time drudging through clubs, paying for their own travel and booking, charging 20 bucks a ticket, etc. They lasted, and they are a massively popular band whom everyone wants to see, and they dont have the energy or desire to tour 80 dates a year.

For me "elite" = "premium."
To be clear, I am not actually mad with the band or the 10c for doing whatever it is they wish to do. More power to them. They deserve it. We all wish to be in their position in our careers.
However, the hypocrisy in the overall circumstance is too overwhelming. To not be able to see it is to have blind loyalty, in my opinion.

Fair point, but I dont see it as hypocrisy.

First, I think this is more of a TM thing than a 10C or band thing.

But even in light of that...those days 30 years ago are long gone, as someone said. Trying to hold them to some idealistic standard that was set way back then is just unfair. If they want to tour, they have to play by the system that is in place. I'm sure they would rather play by a different set of rules, but they have to do what they can.

Remember the disaster when they tried to tour without TM? It was nearly impossible for people to get tickets. Forget fan clubs for a moment, just actually anyone getting to see them was a disaster.

Maybe I have not been as clear as I could have. The hypocrisy I refer to is this.....in this instance the band and TM are telling us as fans "what's good for me is not good for thee" they can dynamically price their PJ premium seats which, let's call it what it is is SCALPING, is perfectly fine and dandy. We, as fans, cannot even transfer a ticket to a friend coming with us to a show if they are running late, let alone sell it. The persona I refer to that was established over 30 years is the speak truth to power....intolerant of being taken advantage of attitude I believed still existed. We cannot even post a 2 for 1 ticket trade on the board without being chastised. If both parties are happy what is the issue? If I want to buy a PJ Premium ticket and I am happy then what is the issue? No issue in one instance.

I am NOT criticizing the business aspect of this tour or any for that matter. In fact, I hope they make a boat load of money, as they should because they are the greatest rock and roll band ever, in my mind. We all "work" and strive for a better life and I hold them to the same standard as I do myself. I wish I had a boat load of money too.

However, as I grew up and learned with Pearl Jam is that.....it is not OK being taken advantage of no matter what and certainly when it is for the benefit of profit. This is EXACTLY how this feels. It is ok to call out hypocrisy as you see it even to something or someone you love.

All I think we in the ten club could ask for is to be treated the same way the band wishes to be treated because this is what they helped instill in us, as fans.

I will be in Oakland come hell or high water.....still looking for a GA each night.

smile6680 · March 2022

Get_Right said:

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smile6680 said:

JimmyV said:

bbiggs said:

Vedd Hedd said:

If they make GA the most, and then 100 Level tier 2, etc....then they are pricing out a bunch of fans. I like they way they did this better, to be honest.

Fair enough. Getting everyone to agree is never going to happen. There will always be a segment of the fan base that bitches no matter what they decide. It is trying to find which option leads to the least amount of bitching. Not easy though.

There will also always be a segment that throws themselves on a proverbial grenade defending whatever happens, too. Pleasing either group isn't the goal. Finding the option that makes the most sense for the business, the band's reputation, and the customer base they are trying to serve is what they need to do. I don't agree that labelling Platinum tickets PJ Premium was the best option, but they didn't ask me.

Once again ticket issues have come up. Why doesn't the ten club just be open and honest about ticketing. Rationale adults can handle the truth. Most posts I read are all speculation or from people "who know how the business works".

NDA. Non-disclosure agreement. People have been trying to get visibility into TM for many years. With no luck. I have been saying for a very long time that is probably the only way to fight TM. Full public disclosure. Even then most governments have bigger problems.

I guess. Nothing is stopping the ten club from saying what percentage of tickets they receive for members or are they knowing in on scalped tickets such as "pearl jam premium tickets". It's wierd they don't come out with a statement to clear the air on these type of tickets. Unless they are in on it and making more money themselves.

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