“PJ Premium” on Ticketmaster?

drakeheuer14

I feel treated pretty damn good. Aside from the previous singles issue

cmalisze

smile6680 said:

Get_Right said:

smile6680 said:

JimmyV said:

bbiggs said:

Vedd Hedd said:

If they make GA the most, and then 100 Level tier 2, etc....then they are pricing out a bunch of fans.  I like they way they did this better, to be honest. 

Fair enough.  Getting everyone to agree is never going to happen.  There will always be a segment of the fan base that bitches no matter what they decide.  It is trying to find which option leads to the least amount of bitching.  Not easy though.

There will also always be a segment that throws themselves on a proverbial grenade defending whatever happens, too. Pleasing either group isn't the goal. Finding the option that makes the most sense for the business, the band's reputation, and the customer base they are trying to serve is what they need to do. I don't agree that labelling Platinum tickets PJ Premium was the best option, but they didn't ask me. 

Once again ticket issues have come up. Why doesn't the ten club just be open and honest about ticketing. Rationale adults can handle the truth. Most posts I read are all speculation or from people "who know how the business works". 

NDA. Non-disclosure agreement. People have been trying to get visibility into TM for many years. With no luck. I have been saying for a very long time that is probably the only way to fight TM.  Full public disclosure. Even then most governments have bigger problems.

I guess. Nothing is stopping the ten club from saying what percentage of tickets they receive for members or are they knowing in on scalped tickets such as "pearl jam premium tickets". It's wierd they don't come out with a statement to clear the air on these type of tickets. Unless they are in on it and making more money themselves.

They are in a no win. I don't envy. Plus most fans are indifferent or clueless when it comes to these things. It's us fanatics that are concerned. Small minority. 

Get_Right

smile6680 said:

Get_Right said:

smile6680 said:

JimmyV said:

bbiggs said:

Vedd Hedd said:

If they make GA the most, and then 100 Level tier 2, etc....then they are pricing out a bunch of fans.  I like they way they did this better, to be honest. 

Fair enough.  Getting everyone to agree is never going to happen.  There will always be a segment of the fan base that bitches no matter what they decide.  It is trying to find which option leads to the least amount of bitching.  Not easy though.

There will also always be a segment that throws themselves on a proverbial grenade defending whatever happens, too. Pleasing either group isn't the goal. Finding the option that makes the most sense for the business, the band's reputation, and the customer base they are trying to serve is what they need to do. I don't agree that labelling Platinum tickets PJ Premium was the best option, but they didn't ask me. 

Once again ticket issues have come up. Why doesn't the ten club just be open and honest about ticketing. Rationale adults can handle the truth. Most posts I read are all speculation or from people "who know how the business works". 

NDA. Non-disclosure agreement. People have been trying to get visibility into TM for many years. With no luck. I have been saying for a very long time that is probably the only way to fight TM.  Full public disclosure. Even then most governments have bigger problems.

I guess. Nothing is stopping the ten club from saying what percentage of tickets they receive for members or are they knowing in on scalped tickets such as "pearl jam premium tickets". It's wierd they don't come out with a statement to clear the air on these type of tickets. Unless they are in on it and making more money themselves.

They cannot disclose that information. It is considered proprietary and a trade secret. 
Edit: I guess they did disclose that there would be premium tickets, but in a very subtle way. Perhaps approved by TM lawyers.

Luckytwn1

smile6680 said:

Get_Right said:

smile6680 said:

JimmyV said:

bbiggs said:

Vedd Hedd said:

If they make GA the most, and then 100 Level tier 2, etc....then they are pricing out a bunch of fans.  I like they way they did this better, to be honest. 

Fair enough.  Getting everyone to agree is never going to happen.  There will always be a segment of the fan base that bitches no matter what they decide.  It is trying to find which option leads to the least amount of bitching.  Not easy though.

There will also always be a segment that throws themselves on a proverbial grenade defending whatever happens, too. Pleasing either group isn't the goal. Finding the option that makes the most sense for the business, the band's reputation, and the customer base they are trying to serve is what they need to do. I don't agree that labelling Platinum tickets PJ Premium was the best option, but they didn't ask me. 

Once again ticket issues have come up. Why doesn't the ten club just be open and honest about ticketing. Rationale adults can handle the truth. Most posts I read are all speculation or from people "who know how the business works". 

NDA. Non-disclosure agreement. People have been trying to get visibility into TM for many years. With no luck. I have been saying for a very long time that is probably the only way to fight TM.  Full public disclosure. Even then most governments have bigger problems.

I guess. Nothing is stopping the ten club from saying what percentage of tickets they receive for members or are they knowing in on scalped tickets such as "pearl jam premium tickets". It's wierd they don't come out with a statement to clear the air on these type of tickets. Unless they are in on it and making more money themselves.

Though you're making it sound nefarious, you are correct that the band is in on it. That is 100%. There's a lot of people here who have no idea how the concert industry works. A performer of Pearl Jam's magnitude has say over EVERYTHING when they are on tour. TM or some other organization does not do anything without PJ first approving it. Now as I noted above, it's a matter for negotiation and involves all sorts of variables like the guarantee an act is seeking, etc but ultimately an agreement is made and the ticket prices are approved by the act. There are Platinum Tickets because Pearl Jam agreed to it. End of story.

Luckytwn1

Get_Right said:

smile6680 said:

Get_Right said:

smile6680 said:

JimmyV said:

bbiggs said:

Vedd Hedd said:

If they make GA the most, and then 100 Level tier 2, etc....then they are pricing out a bunch of fans.  I like they way they did this better, to be honest. 

Fair enough.  Getting everyone to agree is never going to happen.  There will always be a segment of the fan base that bitches no matter what they decide.  It is trying to find which option leads to the least amount of bitching.  Not easy though.

There will also always be a segment that throws themselves on a proverbial grenade defending whatever happens, too. Pleasing either group isn't the goal. Finding the option that makes the most sense for the business, the band's reputation, and the customer base they are trying to serve is what they need to do. I don't agree that labelling Platinum tickets PJ Premium was the best option, but they didn't ask me. 

Once again ticket issues have come up. Why doesn't the ten club just be open and honest about ticketing. Rationale adults can handle the truth. Most posts I read are all speculation or from people "who know how the business works". 

NDA. Non-disclosure agreement. People have been trying to get visibility into TM for many years. With no luck. I have been saying for a very long time that is probably the only way to fight TM.  Full public disclosure. Even then most governments have bigger problems.

I guess. Nothing is stopping the ten club from saying what percentage of tickets they receive for members or are they knowing in on scalped tickets such as "pearl jam premium tickets". It's wierd they don't come out with a statement to clear the air on these type of tickets. Unless they are in on it and making more money themselves.

They cannot disclose that information. It is considered proprietary and a trade secret. 
Edit: I guess they did disclose that there would be premium tickets, but in a very subtle way. Perhaps approved by TM lawyers.

You think Pearl Jam had the simple fact they stated there would be Platinum Tickets approved by TM lawyers? I mean, come on.

starmap3333

great prices!! buy buy buy!!!!!!  Is it my imagination or have different and new seats popped up for way more money that the paltry $900 ones yesterday?  

pledgeagrievance

starmap3333 said:

great prices!! buy buy buy!!!!!!  Is it my imagination or have different and new seats popped up for way more money that the paltry $900 ones yesterday?  

If true, if more expensive tickets showed up, it’s because previous tickets are selling. The algorithm is correcting the market 

PJNB

pledgeagrievance said:

starmap3333 said:

great prices!! buy buy buy!!!!!!  Is it my imagination or have different and new seats popped up for way more money that the paltry $900 ones yesterday?  

If true, if more expensive tickets showed up, it’s because previous tickets are selling. The algorithm is correcting the market 

And falsely showing the availability of shows. 

pledgeagrievance

PJNB said:

pledgeagrievance said:

starmap3333 said:

great prices!! buy buy buy!!!!!!  Is it my imagination or have different and new seats popped up for way more money that the paltry $900 ones yesterday?  

If true, if more expensive tickets showed up, it’s because previous tickets are selling. The algorithm is correcting the market 

And falsely showing the availability of shows. 

Yes this is the problem when people are talking about market price and capitalism is what it is. With TM it’s not exactly correct. They can hold back seats and artificially create demand. That’s not a true free market or indicative of real market value. 

bbiggs

pledgeagrievance said:

PJNB said:

pledgeagrievance said:

starmap3333 said:

great prices!! buy buy buy!!!!!!  Is it my imagination or have different and new seats popped up for way more money that the paltry $900 ones yesterday?  

If true, if more expensive tickets showed up, it’s because previous tickets are selling. The algorithm is correcting the market 

And falsely showing the availability of shows. 

Yes this is the problem when people are talking about market price and capitalism is what it is. With TM it’s not exactly correct. They can hold back seats and artificially create demand. That’s not a true free market or indicative of real market value. 

Bingo. So much preaching about market value being what someone is willing to pay. Well no shit. However, what someone is willing to pay is determined by availability and these shit bags at TM manipulate the supply side by creating a sense of false scarcity, which in turn creates false demand where people make emotional (sometimes irrational) decisions. Platinum pricing is a joke. Just raise the prices at fixed levels. Rant over. 

And I have tickets to all the shows I want to attend, so this isn’t about being upset because of that. It’s principle. 

aisleseats

Get_Right said:

Zod said:

Get_Right said:

You are missing the point and PJ lost that battle if you recall. The days of fixed prices for the entire event are gone. It is market based pricing through TM now.  It is actually quite smart even though it is the fan that loses out. There is nothing "elite" about it.  It is a monopoly in motion. The same monopoly is squeezing every artist out there. This has been going on for many years in different forms.  It will only get worse until there is competition in the market.

I was under the impression TM doesn't force platinum.  Not all artists use it.  Most do now, but not all.   TM invented platinum as a way to earn more concert revenue which benefits everyone (TM, promoter, band, etc...).   But you don't need to use it, but it's going to get you a larger gaurantee from the promoter as it allows them to create more revenue.

I kind of felt like because the recording aspect of the business pays bunk now, that they're figuring out how to make more touring.   One of those things was.. how do we dip into what the scalpers make off our tickets.

That's my thoughts.  I think it'll continue because everyone gets paid more from it, but I'm not entirely convinced it's mandatory, but I would say it's hard to pass up in a world where you barely get paid to record music.

I believe, without actually knowing, that it is very close to, if not, absolutely mandatory. They do not want to lose a nickel to the resellers and that is what is driving this. Not simply getting more for each show. They want to put stubhub out of business. This is all TM business strategy and modeling. TM withholds the seats from public sale and resellers cannot obtain them at the lower cost. Its that simple. It is not about the band, the fans or anything else. It is about selling tickets at the highest possible market price instead of a fixed pre-determined price.

They do not want to sell a ticket for $200 when someone will pay $600 for the same ticket. TM has very sophisticated and automated algorithms to understand the market prices and the exact timing to raise or lower prices based on demand. It is very smart from a business perspective.  Hedge fund strategy being executed by a monopoly where the fan/consumer is the loser. 

Edit: Live Nation is the promoter for most TM events. Guess who owns them?  TM.  

Actually, it's a proven fact that TM/LN encourages resellers, and even has a separate platform where they sell huge blocks of tickets directly to resellers. Which is why you often see entire rows of tickets all listed for resale at the same price. They make money when the tickets are originally purchased at "face value" and then make even more money when those same tickets are resold again on their site at a much higher price.

Zod

cmalisze said:

Maybe I have not been as clear as I could have. The hypocrisy I refer to is this.....in this instance the band and TM are telling us as fans "what's good for me is not good for thee" they can dynamically price their PJ premium seats which, let's call it what it is is SCALPING, is perfectly fine and dandy. We, as fans, cannot even transfer a ticket to a friend coming with us to a show if they are running late, let alone sell it. The persona I refer to that was established over 30 years is the speak truth to power....intolerant of being taken advantage of attitude I believed still existed. We cannot even post a 2 for 1 ticket trade on the board without being chastised.  If both parties are happy what is the issue? If I want to buy a PJ Premium ticket and I am happy then what is the issue? No issue in one instance. 

I am NOT criticizing the business aspect of this tour or any for that matter. In fact, I hope they make a boat load of money, as they should because they are the greatest rock and roll band ever, in my mind. We all "work" and strive for a better life and I hold them to the same standard as I do myself. I wish I had a boat load of money too. 

However, as I grew up and learned with Pearl Jam is that.....it is not OK being taken advantage of no matter what and certainly when it is for the benefit of profit. This is EXACTLY how this feels. It is ok to call out hypocrisy as you see it even if it to something or someone you love. 

All I think we in the ten club could ask for is to be treated the same way the band wishes to be treated because this is what they helped instill in us, as fans. 

I will be in Oakland come hell or high water.....still looking for a GA each night.

It's not scalping when you're selling your own tickets for the price you want to be selling them at.. lol.  Scalping is buying a ticket then flipping it for more.   Selling a thing for a specified price, even if expensive, is just selling a thing.

JP218404

I want a premium  commemorative ticket

PJNB

Zod said:

cmalisze said:

Maybe I have not been as clear as I could have. The hypocrisy I refer to is this.....in this instance the band and TM are telling us as fans "what's good for me is not good for thee" they can dynamically price their PJ premium seats which, let's call it what it is is SCALPING, is perfectly fine and dandy. We, as fans, cannot even transfer a ticket to a friend coming with us to a show if they are running late, let alone sell it. The persona I refer to that was established over 30 years is the speak truth to power....intolerant of being taken advantage of attitude I believed still existed. We cannot even post a 2 for 1 ticket trade on the board without being chastised.  If both parties are happy what is the issue? If I want to buy a PJ Premium ticket and I am happy then what is the issue? No issue in one instance. 

I am NOT criticizing the business aspect of this tour or any for that matter. In fact, I hope they make a boat load of money, as they should because they are the greatest rock and roll band ever, in my mind. We all "work" and strive for a better life and I hold them to the same standard as I do myself. I wish I had a boat load of money too. 

However, as I grew up and learned with Pearl Jam is that.....it is not OK being taken advantage of no matter what and certainly when it is for the benefit of profit. This is EXACTLY how this feels. It is ok to call out hypocrisy as you see it even if it to something or someone you love. 

All I think we in the ten club could ask for is to be treated the same way the band wishes to be treated because this is what they helped instill in us, as fans. 

I will be in Oakland come hell or high water.....still looking for a GA each night.

It's not scalping when you're selling your own tickets for the price you want to be selling them at.. lol.  Scalping is buying a ticket then flipping it for more.   Selling a thing for a specified price, even if expensive, is just selling a thing.

Would you consider taking a bunch of refunds from 2020 and then jacking those ticket prices up when the shows are sold again scalping? 

mpedone

OceansJenny said:

Real question is how many fans are being alienated by the shuts outs and platinum sticker shock? If I was a casual fan and logged on to see $5,000 tickets I might not bother next time a tour is announced. Maybe TM doesn’t care if they get their max return each time but you think the band would care. 

More than if they had just called them "Platinum"; had they done that, it probably wouldn't have alienated much more than the previous system, where all of these shows would be completely sold out by now and they'd have to go find tickets on the secondary market at similar markups.

It does sadden me that this will probably kill F2F. I loved that system (though I agree, there shouldn't be a floor), and I think fans would have grown to love it.

mpedone

It is an interesting result of this - I've seen more than a couple people on FB bitching about not being able to get "good" seats at face value. Oakland has plenty of seats, but they're not "good". Previous tours, if tickets were still available this long after the sale started, people would be snatching them up, regardless of if they were on the roof, watching the show through an open skylight. They see "good" seats available, though, and suddenly upper level isn't good enough. Gotta get that floor seat!

Makes me wonder how many Premium seats they need to sell to offset all of the face value tickets that aren't selling. Between Premium pricing and the "No General Public Sale (just kidding, but we're not going to tell anyone)", it's looking dicey for some of these shows selling out.

Poncier

mpedone said:

 , it's looking dicey for some of these shows selling out.

They simply oversaturated the California market and ignored some of their strongest markets.
Perplexing choice to add Fresno and Sacto to the original dates.

mpedone

Poncier said:

mpedone said:

 , it's looking dicey for some of these shows selling out.

They simply oversaturated the California market and ignored some of their strongest markets.
Perplexing choice to add Fresno and Sacto to the original dates.

Yeah, I don't know about those two, but I definitely think the usual cadence of 10 Club > VF > General Public would have moved more tickets to the rescheduled shows than what we're seeing. At the very least, the deflating of the hype when people who didn't get verified hasn't helped.

JP218404

Poncier said:

mpedone said:

 , it's looking dicey for some of these shows selling out.

They simply oversaturated the California market and ignored some of their strongest markets.
Perplexing choice to add Fresno and Sacto to the original dates.

Could simply be about available in arenas in the zone they wanted to play in. 

cmalisze

mpedone said:

It is an interesting result of this - I've seen more than a couple people on FB bitching about not being able to get "good" seats at face value. Oakland has plenty of seats, but they're not "good". Previous tours, if tickets were still available this long after the sale started, people would be snatching them up, regardless of if they were on the roof, watching the show through an open skylight. They see "good" seats available, though, and suddenly upper level isn't good enough. Gotta get that floor seat!

Makes me wonder how many Premium seats they need to sell to offset all of the face value tickets that aren't selling. Between Premium pricing and the "No General Public Sale (just kidding, but we're not going to tell anyone)", it's looking dicey for some of these shows selling out.

What is even more hilarious is many people who attempted to become "verified" for California shows....like myself.....would have purchased lesser seats had I been verified initially. Now they are stuck holding the bag. Sad state when the greatest band of all time cannot sell out a 20k person arena...."behind the wall a fat man snores"