“PJ Premium” on Ticketmaster?
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For the lonest time PJ did not allow resale of 10C tickets AT ALL. Then they allowed face value sales. They have always insisted that if you are buying 10c tix they are for you and your guest. There have been a few exceptions but restrictions on transfers is not surprising, that has been a common theme for decades.
Market price is what the consumer will pay for a good or service. With a monopoly, the seller controls the market price. This is here to stay until there is a regulatory change. Make no mistake, the band is making plenty of money from these gigs to cover costs and carbon offsets. Add the merch sales and they are making big, big money. The pricing scheme is about TM maximizing revenue for each ticket it sells and minimizing returns for any resellers. Nothing else. Put whatever name you want on it. What sucks is that the bands and us fans have no alternative and that is why we are getting squeezed.0 -
Get_Right said:For the lonest time PJ did not allow resale of 10C tickets AT ALL. Then they allowed face value sales. They have always insisted that if you are buying 10c tix they are for you and your guest. There have been a few exceptions but restrictions on transfers is not surprising, that has been a common theme for decades.
Market price is what the consumer will pay for a good or service. With a monopoly, the seller controls the market price. This is here to stay until there is a regulatory change. Make no mistake, the band is making plenty of money from these gigs to cover costs and carbon offsets. Add the merch sales and they are making big, big money. The pricing scheme is about TM maximizing revenue for each ticket it sells and minimizing returns for any resellers. Nothing else. Put whatever name you want on it. What sucks is that the bands and us fans have no alternative and that is why we are getting squeezed.
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I thought ticket sales were way down for pretty much all touring acts these days. Seems like these jacked up prices would only discourage more from attending. Seems like it's already killed the initial onsale excitement. As others have stated though, I guess the goal is no longer to sell out shows but to make as much money as possible, so maybe there will be a lot of heavily discounted tickets near or on show days. Wonder if there will be ticket giveaways close to show day at some of the California shows like for the EV LA show.0
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JimmyV said:oLerxst1992 said:Poncier said:mpedone said:, it's looking dicey for some of these shows selling out.
Perplexing choice to add Fresno and Sacto to the original dates.
They're not the least bit curious how big of an msg residence they could pull off. They'd rather play for smaller markets. Fans should be giving them credit for that, not complaining that a small % of tickets are selling for market value.You know NY has never had ticket availability over the years, especially for unconnected part time fans like me, lol. Have they ever played seven arena shows here within a five hour drive? Maybe.And Bostons just as tough, four stadium shows 2016 to 2018 and stub hub was north of $350 in most cases, every seat gone in seconds. And Philly just sold 27,000 tickets in less time than it takes to sneeze.
Not sure how much evidence is needed to demonstrate where the product sells best for the biggest cost. But yet they get attacked for a small % selling at FMV as PJ premium and they’re playing a lot of smaller market shows instead of the big seller markets. Also selling front of house tickets for $133, which very few big rock acts do. It’s tough to rationalize the attacks that they’re a money grab act0 -
Lerxst1992 said:JimmyV said:oLerxst1992 said:Poncier said:mpedone said:, it's looking dicey for some of these shows selling out.
Perplexing choice to add Fresno and Sacto to the original dates.
They're not the least bit curious how big of an msg residence they could pull off. They'd rather play for smaller markets. Fans should be giving them credit for that, not complaining that a small % of tickets are selling for market value.You know NY has never had ticket availability over the years, especially for unconnected part time fans like me, lol. Have they ever played seven arena shows here within a five hour drive? Maybe.And Bostons just as tough, four stadium shows 2016 to 2018 and stub hub was north of $350 in most cases, every seat gone in seconds. And Philly just sold 27,000 tickets in less time than it takes to sneeze.
Not sure how much evidence is needed to demonstrate where the product sells best for the biggest cost. But yet they get attacked for a small % selling at FMV as PJ premium and they’re playing a lot of smaller market shows instead of the big seller markets. Also selling front of house tickets for $133, which very few big rock acts do. It’s tough to rationalize the attacks that they’re a money grab act___________________________________________
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I’ll agree the best complaint is they don’t allow free trade on F2F for the Platinum seats for EV dates, by allowing TM to undercut F2F by lowering Platinum prices and preventing fans from being able to do the same. I have serious questions whether that’s legal. It’s definitely not ethical. Hopefully that’s fixed for the PJ showsSomeone in their management should take a closer look at that. But selling some PJ Premium tickets, unfortunately that’s legitimate and reasonable considering how hard the touring industry was hit0
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The $4,500 tickets are gone. Did someone buy them or did they get taken down? Unclear.___________________________________________
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Poncier said:Get_Right said:For the lonest time PJ did not allow resale of 10C tickets AT ALL. Then they allowed face value sales. They have always insisted that if you are buying 10c tix they are for you and your guest. There have been a few exceptions but restrictions on transfers is not surprising, that has been a common theme for decades.
Market price is what the consumer will pay for a good or service. With a monopoly, the seller controls the market price. This is here to stay until there is a regulatory change. Make no mistake, the band is making plenty of money from these gigs to cover costs and carbon offsets. Add the merch sales and they are making big, big money. The pricing scheme is about TM maximizing revenue for each ticket it sells and minimizing returns for any resellers. Nothing else. Put whatever name you want on it. What sucks is that the bands and us fans have no alternative and that is why we are getting squeezed.
Platinum tickets have existed for some time, Pearl Jam has always said no until 2022.
Not if they want to play MSG, they really do not have a choice. It is relatively new (beta tested in 2017, rolled out in 2018 not 100% sure on that). Previously, instead of TM platinum ticket pricing, they were sold at face value and sold off stub hub, seat geek and ebay by every tom dick and harry that could get their hands on tickets. People and businesses made millions off TM tickets and the band's performances. Platinum pricing will greatly reduce the number of resales and TM will capture that revenue and share it with the band.0 -
Poncier said:Get_Right said:For the lonest time PJ did not allow resale of 10C tickets AT ALL. Then they allowed face value sales. They have always insisted that if you are buying 10c tix they are for you and your guest. There have been a few exceptions but restrictions on transfers is not surprising, that has been a common theme for decades.
Market price is what the consumer will pay for a good or service. With a monopoly, the seller controls the market price. This is here to stay until there is a regulatory change. Make no mistake, the band is making plenty of money from these gigs to cover costs and carbon offsets. Add the merch sales and they are making big, big money. The pricing scheme is about TM maximizing revenue for each ticket it sells and minimizing returns for any resellers. Nothing else. Put whatever name you want on it. What sucks is that the bands and us fans have no alternative and that is why we are getting squeezed.
Platinum tickets have existed for some time, Pearl Jam has always said no until 2022.0 -
They are a business and the goal of all businesses is to make money. They could make more money by playing more shows. Hopefully that happens.___________________________________________
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smile6680 said:Poncier said:Get_Right said:For the lonest time PJ did not allow resale of 10C tickets AT ALL. Then they allowed face value sales. They have always insisted that if you are buying 10c tix they are for you and your guest. There have been a few exceptions but restrictions on transfers is not surprising, that has been a common theme for decades.
Market price is what the consumer will pay for a good or service. With a monopoly, the seller controls the market price. This is here to stay until there is a regulatory change. Make no mistake, the band is making plenty of money from these gigs to cover costs and carbon offsets. Add the merch sales and they are making big, big money. The pricing scheme is about TM maximizing revenue for each ticket it sells and minimizing returns for any resellers. Nothing else. Put whatever name you want on it. What sucks is that the bands and us fans have no alternative and that is why we are getting squeezed.
Platinum tickets have existed for some time, Pearl Jam has always said no until 2022.
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cmalisze said:Vedd Hedd said:cmalisze said:Vedd Hedd said:cmalisze said:Vedd Hedd said:cmalisze said:brarble said:Poncier said:JR86440 said:People who complain about premium have never tried to run a business. There are sooooo many costs that go into running a business that people don’t see. It’s not as simple as multiplying 20k seats by $100 and dividing by 6 band members… counting Boom of course! Benefits for employees, liability insurance, salaries, rent, taxes, travel, crew, etc. Plus they need to Maher a profit. It’s not a non profit organization. $100 for 95% of the crowd for a band of PJ’s caliber is dirt cheap in my mind. And they aren’t the chili peppers who play 18 songs. Either need to accept premium or accept $150 tickets. Add in the fact that they have families to support I feel what they are doing is more than reasonable
And while I do love the old model... even this current model (mostly low cost tickets + a smattering of premium) is honestly not that bad compared to most other artists. If we're ranking all bands/artists on a spectrum of "fair pricing policies", even the "PJ Premium" method is better and more fair than 99% of the other bands out there. Honestly can't think of a single band or artist that has kept prices this low.
Most of these arenas seat around 17,000 ppl. I'm seeing about 50-100 Premium seats per show. I hate dynamic pricing as much as the next guy, but it's wild to me that ppl are getting this angry about the 0.5% of overpriced tickets while not appreciating that the other 99.5% are by far the lowest most reasonable you will find in any band/artist of Pearl Jam's level.
Or are you saying charge EVERYONE more, so that there are no premium seats?
Pearl Jammers Testify Before Congress : Pop music: Before a House panel, members of the Seattle band allege monopolistic practices by Ticketmaster, whose chief executive counters the charges. - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)
I think the options were "Raise prices significantly across all levels to cover TM's requests" or "Keep some prices moderate, while allowing TM to keep some back and charge more, and in the process, the band gets more too"
I am ok with that.
Also, yeah, I think things change over the course of 30+ years. They did their time drudging through clubs, paying for their own travel and booking, charging 20 bucks a ticket, etc. They lasted, and they are a massively popular band whom everyone wants to see, and they dont have the energy or desire to tour 80 dates a year.
To be clear, I am not actually mad with the band or the 10c for doing whatever it is they wish to do. More power to them. They deserve it. We all wish to be in their position in our careers.
However, the hypocrisy in the overall circumstance is too overwhelming. To not be able to see it is to have blind loyalty, in my opinion.
First, I think this is more of a TM thing than a 10C or band thing.
But even in light of that...those days 30 years ago are long gone, as someone said. Trying to hold them to some idealistic standard that was set way back then is just unfair. If they want to tour, they have to play by the system that is in place. I'm sure they would rather play by a different set of rules, but they have to do what they can.
Remember the disaster when they tried to tour without TM? It was nearly impossible for people to get tickets. Forget fan clubs for a moment, just actually anyone getting to see them was a disaster.
I am NOT criticizing the business aspect of this tour or any for that matter. In fact, I hope they make a boat load of money, as they should because they are the greatest rock and roll band ever, in my mind. We all "work" and strive for a better life and I hold them to the same standard as I do myself. I wish I had a boat load of money too.
However, as I grew up and learned with Pearl Jam is that.....it is not OK being taken advantage of no matter what and certainly when it is for the benefit of profit. This is EXACTLY how this feels. It is ok to call out hypocrisy as you see it even to something or someone you love.
All I think we in the ten club could ask for is to be treated the same way the band wishes to be treated because this is what they helped instill in us, as fans.
I will be in Oakland come hell or high water.....still looking for a GA each night.Turn this anger into
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cmalisze said:Vedd Hedd said:cmalisze said:Vedd Hedd said:cmalisze said:Vedd Hedd said:cmalisze said:brarble said:Poncier said:JR86440 said:People who complain about premium have never tried to run a business. There are sooooo many costs that go into running a business that people don’t see. It’s not as simple as multiplying 20k seats by $100 and dividing by 6 band members… counting Boom of course! Benefits for employees, liability insurance, salaries, rent, taxes, travel, crew, etc. Plus they need to Maher a profit. It’s not a non profit organization. $100 for 95% of the crowd for a band of PJ’s caliber is dirt cheap in my mind. And they aren’t the chili peppers who play 18 songs. Either need to accept premium or accept $150 tickets. Add in the fact that they have families to support I feel what they are doing is more than reasonable
And while I do love the old model... even this current model (mostly low cost tickets + a smattering of premium) is honestly not that bad compared to most other artists. If we're ranking all bands/artists on a spectrum of "fair pricing policies", even the "PJ Premium" method is better and more fair than 99% of the other bands out there. Honestly can't think of a single band or artist that has kept prices this low.
Most of these arenas seat around 17,000 ppl. I'm seeing about 50-100 Premium seats per show. I hate dynamic pricing as much as the next guy, but it's wild to me that ppl are getting this angry about the 0.5% of overpriced tickets while not appreciating that the other 99.5% are by far the lowest most reasonable you will find in any band/artist of Pearl Jam's level.
Or are you saying charge EVERYONE more, so that there are no premium seats?
Pearl Jammers Testify Before Congress : Pop music: Before a House panel, members of the Seattle band allege monopolistic practices by Ticketmaster, whose chief executive counters the charges. - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)
I think the options were "Raise prices significantly across all levels to cover TM's requests" or "Keep some prices moderate, while allowing TM to keep some back and charge more, and in the process, the band gets more too"
I am ok with that.
Also, yeah, I think things change over the course of 30+ years. They did their time drudging through clubs, paying for their own travel and booking, charging 20 bucks a ticket, etc. They lasted, and they are a massively popular band whom everyone wants to see, and they dont have the energy or desire to tour 80 dates a year.
To be clear, I am not actually mad with the band or the 10c for doing whatever it is they wish to do. More power to them. They deserve it. We all wish to be in their position in our careers.
However, the hypocrisy in the overall circumstance is too overwhelming. To not be able to see it is to have blind loyalty, in my opinion.
First, I think this is more of a TM thing than a 10C or band thing.
But even in light of that...those days 30 years ago are long gone, as someone said. Trying to hold them to some idealistic standard that was set way back then is just unfair. If they want to tour, they have to play by the system that is in place. I'm sure they would rather play by a different set of rules, but they have to do what they can.
Remember the disaster when they tried to tour without TM? It was nearly impossible for people to get tickets. Forget fan clubs for a moment, just actually anyone getting to see them was a disaster.
I am NOT criticizing the business aspect of this tour or any for that matter. In fact, I hope they make a boat load of money, as they should because they are the greatest rock and roll band ever, in my mind. We all "work" and strive for a better life and I hold them to the same standard as I do myself. I wish I had a boat load of money too.
However, as I grew up and learned with Pearl Jam is that.....it is not OK being taken advantage of no matter what and certainly when it is for the benefit of profit. This is EXACTLY how this feels. It is ok to call out hypocrisy as you see it even to something or someone you love.
All I think we in the ten club could ask for is to be treated the same way the band wishes to be treated because this is what they helped instill in us, as fans.
I will be in Oakland come hell or high water.....still looking for a GA each night.
1998: East Troy 2000: East Troy, Rosemont 2003: Champaign 2006: Chicago (UC), Milwaukee 2007: Chicago (Lolla) 2009: Chicago (UC), Chicago (UC) 2010: Noblesville 2011: East Troy (PJ20), East Troy (PJ20) 2013: Chicago (WF), Seattle 2014: St. Louis 2016: Chicago (WF), Chicago (WF) 2018: Chicago (WF), Chicago (WF) 2022: St. Louis 2023: Chicago (UC), Chicago (UC) 2024: Chicago (WF), Chicago (WF)2025: Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh0 -
mattcoz said:cmalisze said:Vedd Hedd said:cmalisze said:Vedd Hedd said:cmalisze said:Vedd Hedd said:cmalisze said:brarble said:Poncier said:JR86440 said:People who complain about premium have never tried to run a business. There are sooooo many costs that go into running a business that people don’t see. It’s not as simple as multiplying 20k seats by $100 and dividing by 6 band members… counting Boom of course! Benefits for employees, liability insurance, salaries, rent, taxes, travel, crew, etc. Plus they need to Maher a profit. It’s not a non profit organization. $100 for 95% of the crowd for a band of PJ’s caliber is dirt cheap in my mind. And they aren’t the chili peppers who play 18 songs. Either need to accept premium or accept $150 tickets. Add in the fact that they have families to support I feel what they are doing is more than reasonable
And while I do love the old model... even this current model (mostly low cost tickets + a smattering of premium) is honestly not that bad compared to most other artists. If we're ranking all bands/artists on a spectrum of "fair pricing policies", even the "PJ Premium" method is better and more fair than 99% of the other bands out there. Honestly can't think of a single band or artist that has kept prices this low.
Most of these arenas seat around 17,000 ppl. I'm seeing about 50-100 Premium seats per show. I hate dynamic pricing as much as the next guy, but it's wild to me that ppl are getting this angry about the 0.5% of overpriced tickets while not appreciating that the other 99.5% are by far the lowest most reasonable you will find in any band/artist of Pearl Jam's level.
Or are you saying charge EVERYONE more, so that there are no premium seats?
Pearl Jammers Testify Before Congress : Pop music: Before a House panel, members of the Seattle band allege monopolistic practices by Ticketmaster, whose chief executive counters the charges. - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)
I think the options were "Raise prices significantly across all levels to cover TM's requests" or "Keep some prices moderate, while allowing TM to keep some back and charge more, and in the process, the band gets more too"
I am ok with that.
Also, yeah, I think things change over the course of 30+ years. They did their time drudging through clubs, paying for their own travel and booking, charging 20 bucks a ticket, etc. They lasted, and they are a massively popular band whom everyone wants to see, and they dont have the energy or desire to tour 80 dates a year.
To be clear, I am not actually mad with the band or the 10c for doing whatever it is they wish to do. More power to them. They deserve it. We all wish to be in their position in our careers.
However, the hypocrisy in the overall circumstance is too overwhelming. To not be able to see it is to have blind loyalty, in my opinion.
First, I think this is more of a TM thing than a 10C or band thing.
But even in light of that...those days 30 years ago are long gone, as someone said. Trying to hold them to some idealistic standard that was set way back then is just unfair. If they want to tour, they have to play by the system that is in place. I'm sure they would rather play by a different set of rules, but they have to do what they can.
Remember the disaster when they tried to tour without TM? It was nearly impossible for people to get tickets. Forget fan clubs for a moment, just actually anyone getting to see them was a disaster.
I am NOT criticizing the business aspect of this tour or any for that matter. In fact, I hope they make a boat load of money, as they should because they are the greatest rock and roll band ever, in my mind. We all "work" and strive for a better life and I hold them to the same standard as I do myself. I wish I had a boat load of money too.
However, as I grew up and learned with Pearl Jam is that.....it is not OK being taken advantage of no matter what and certainly when it is for the benefit of profit. This is EXACTLY how this feels. It is ok to call out hypocrisy as you see it even to something or someone you love.
All I think we in the ten club could ask for is to be treated the same way the band wishes to be treated because this is what they helped instill in us, as fans.
I will be in Oakland come hell or high water.....still looking for a GA each night.
Still waiting to sell some seats to AZ and LA via F2F..which is STILL not up.....but there sure are some "PJ Premium" seats to buy......0 -
If you look at the TM sites for PJ's Euro shows, there's no PJ Premium. Is it because these shows were announced before PJ went Premium, or because of laws in those countries against this type of practice? Perhaps our international members know the answer.We can let the band and media outlets know we don't like PJ Premium, on this forum and social media. We can also call the U.S. Representatives in our respective districts, and share our displeasure with TM's monopolistic practices. Some outlets, like John Oliver, are taking notice. But government action is what is actually needed, to enforce anti-trust laws and break up TM.I've seen quite a few Pearl Jam shows.0
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ddeschler said:If you look at the TM sites for PJ's Euro shows, there's no PJ Premium. Is it because these shows were announced before PJ went Premium, or because of laws in those countries against this type of practice? Perhaps our international members know the answer.We can let the band and media outlets know we don't like PJ Premium, on this forum and social media. We can also call the U.S. Representatives in our respective districts, and share our displeasure with TM's monopolistic practices. Some outlets, like John Oliver, are taking notice. But government action is what is actually needed, to enforce anti-trust laws and break up TM.
Yep and it has been reviewed the Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission. If you recall, TM settled the FTC case and gave vouchers out. I do not remember how much exactly, but ticket buyers received a small dollar voucher for every ticket they bought in the past I think I received about 20 of them. In typical TM fashion, none of the vouchers worked for any show or sporting event I wanted to attend and they went unused. I would guess the same for anyone else that received them. TM up to their same old tricks.
EDIT: Good point about Europe. Thanks for giving me a new question to investigate!Post edited by Get_Right on0 -
Luxury boxes in LA seat up to ten with VIP service are available for $6,000. Seems like a better deal than a $4,500 seat at MSG.___________________________________________
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Get_Right said:ddeschler said:If you look at the TM sites for PJ's Euro shows, there's no PJ Premium. Is it because these shows were announced before PJ went Premium, or because of laws in those countries against this type of practice? Perhaps our international members know the answer.We can let the band and media outlets know we don't like PJ Premium, on this forum and social media. We can also call the U.S. Representatives in our respective districts, and share our displeasure with TM's monopolistic practices. Some outlets, like John Oliver, are taking notice. But government action is what is actually needed, to enforce anti-trust laws and break up TM.
Yep and it has been reviewed the Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission. If you recall, TM settled the FTC case and gave vouchers out. I do not remember how much exactly, but ticket buyers received a small dollar voucher for every ticket they bought in the past I think I received about 20 of them. In typical TM fashion, none of the vouchers worked for any show or sporting event I wanted to attend and they went unused. I would guess the same for anyone else that received them. TM up to their same old tricks.
EDIT: Good point about Europe. Thanks for giving me a new question to investigate!
I managed to use a few, but usually when buying tix you're in a rush and afterwards remember the vouchers.
They got off real easy on that one and I'd venture a majority of vouchers issued were never claimed.This weekend we rock Portland0 -
Get_Right said:ddeschler said:If you look at the TM sites for PJ's Euro shows, there's no PJ Premium. Is it because these shows were announced before PJ went Premium, or because of laws in those countries against this type of practice? Perhaps our international members know the answer.We can let the band and media outlets know we don't like PJ Premium, on this forum and social media. We can also call the U.S. Representatives in our respective districts, and share our displeasure with TM's monopolistic practices. Some outlets, like John Oliver, are taking notice. But government action is what is actually needed, to enforce anti-trust laws and break up TM.
Yep and it has been reviewed the Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission. If you recall, TM settled the FTC case and gave vouchers out. I do not remember how much exactly, but ticket buyers received a small dollar voucher for every ticket they bought in the past I think I received about 20 of them. In typical TM fashion, none of the vouchers worked for any show or sporting event I wanted to attend and they went unused. I would guess the same for anyone else that received them. TM up to their same old tricks.
EDIT: Good point about Europe. Thanks for giving me a new question to investigate!0 -
Almost have to respect the evil genius of the vouchers. Get into trouble for shady business practices, offer vouchers to shows consumers were otherwise not going to as a make good, watch them buy concessions and parking that was otherwise going unsold. That is some Bond villain shit right there.___________________________________________
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