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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,486
    What is the difference between "sending in people" vs "sending in weapons". 

    Why is "sending in weapons" not seen as an act of war by Putin?
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  • mickeyrat
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    What is the difference between "sending in people" vs "sending in weapons". 

    Why is "sending in weapons" not seen as an act of war by Putin?

    its different aid isnt direct conflict.
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  • 23scidoo
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    mrussel1 said:
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A very stable genius.

    Putin says Ukraine’s forces should ‘take power’ from Zelensky and ‘neo-Nazis’ in Kyiv

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on Ukraine’s armed forces to “take power” from the democratically elected government of President Volodymyr Zelensky, underscoring Putin’s determination to drive the Ukrainian leader from office.

    Addressing his hawkish Security Council by video link on Friday, Putin claimed “neo-Nazis” in Ukraine had placed heavy weapons in residential neighborhoods in cities like Kyiv and Kharkiv, saying they were “acting like terrorists” and using women, children, wives and elderly people “as human shields.”

    He said Russia’s main fight was not against the regular armed but what he called neo-Nazi gangs.

    Putin also claimed without evidence that the United States was advising these forces to deploy heavy weapons in civilian areas.

    His aggressive tone came just hours after the Kremlin said it would send a delegation to Minsk to negotiate Ukraine’s neutrality — while making it clear that nothing less than its capitulation would suffice.

    Putin said if Ukrainian armed forces seized power, “it would be easier to come to terms with you than this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis who have settled in Kyiv and taken the entire Ukrainian people hostage.”

    This is of course a pretext but the neo-nazi problem in Ukraine is true and big..
    It's true, but I don't know how big. 
    I don't know either but it's there..

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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,993
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A very stable genius.

    Putin says Ukraine’s forces should ‘take power’ from Zelensky and ‘neo-Nazis’ in Kyiv

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on Ukraine’s armed forces to “take power” from the democratically elected government of President Volodymyr Zelensky, underscoring Putin’s determination to drive the Ukrainian leader from office.

    Addressing his hawkish Security Council by video link on Friday, Putin claimed “neo-Nazis” in Ukraine had placed heavy weapons in residential neighborhoods in cities like Kyiv and Kharkiv, saying they were “acting like terrorists” and using women, children, wives and elderly people “as human shields.”

    He said Russia’s main fight was not against the regular armed but what he called neo-Nazi gangs.

    Putin also claimed without evidence that the United States was advising these forces to deploy heavy weapons in civilian areas.

    His aggressive tone came just hours after the Kremlin said it would send a delegation to Minsk to negotiate Ukraine’s neutrality — while making it clear that nothing less than its capitulation would suffice.

    Putin said if Ukrainian armed forces seized power, “it would be easier to come to terms with you than this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis who have settled in Kyiv and taken the entire Ukrainian people hostage.”

    This is of course a pretext but the neo-nazi problem in Ukraine is true and big..
    It's true, but I don't know how big. 
    Didn't we train them too?
    Not sure..

    https://news.yahoo.com/how-the-us-helped-ukraine-prepare-for-a-russian-invasion-210407079.html

    https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/congress-has-removed-a-ban-on-funding-neo-nazis-from-its-year-end-spending-bill/

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    If NATO gets involved militarily then it is  WW3,  is there something stopping non NATO countries from supplying troops to Ukraine?  
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  • mickeyrat
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    Meltdown99 said:
    If NATO gets involved militarily then it is  WW3,  is there something stopping non NATO countries from supplying troops to Ukraine?  

    putins threat?
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  • nicknyr15
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Defending the wrong side of history. So proud.


    Good lord. Is this the Ukraine thread? Or the Trump meme thread? 
  • Meltdown99
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    Give Peas A Chance…
  • mace1229
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    edited February 2022
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Defending the wrong side of history. So proud.


    Please show me where I defended trump. All I said was if you’re going to make fun of trump for deferring the draft, you should know Biden did it 1 more time. That’s not defending draft dodging, it’s pointing out the silliness of that meme.
    Post fat pictures of trump all you want, it doesn’t bother me and it doesn’t change the facts of draft deferent. 
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  • Lerxst1992
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    At what point should the NHL be boycotted? It is absurd star Russian athletes make millions on the backs of a free American economy and taxpayer financed arenas when their leader threatened us with a nuke.
  • nicknyr15
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    At what point should the NHL be boycotted? It is absurd star Russian athletes make millions on the backs of a free American economy and taxpayer financed arenas when their leader threatened us with a nuke.
    Are you kidding me? While the rangers are having their best season in a long time? No. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,486
    edited February 2022
    mickeyrat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    What is the difference between "sending in people" vs "sending in weapons". 

    Why is "sending in weapons" not seen as an act of war by Putin?

    its different aid isnt direct conflict.
    Weird arbitrary rules.

    The rules and loopholes of the board game called "war" are just so weird. 
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,486
    Lerxst1992 said:
    At what point should the NHL be boycotted? It is absurd star Russian athletes make millions on the backs of a free American economy and taxpayer financed arenas when their leader threatened us with a nuke.
    What a take.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Lerxst1992
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    At what point should the NHL be boycotted? It is absurd star Russian athletes make millions on the backs of a free American economy and taxpayer financed arenas when their leader threatened us with a nuke.
    What a take.

    Let’s just hand their elite athletes tens of millions of dollars in taxpayer funded arenas. Nothing screams fight for  freedom louder.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    nicknyr15 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Defending the wrong side of history. So proud.


    Good lord. Is this the Ukraine thread? Or the Trump meme thread? 
    It’s the loosen the belt to defend Ukraine thread, after someone ties his shoes. Manly, no?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Defending the wrong side of history. So proud.


    Please show me where I defended trump. All I said was if you’re going to make fun of trump for deferring the draft, you should know Biden did it 1 more time. That’s not defending draft dodging, it’s pointing out the silliness of that meme.
    Post fat pictures of trump all you want, it doesn’t bother me and it doesn’t change the facts of draft deferent. 
    President Biden is still fit for the draft. And as CIC, is serving his nation while POOTWH is an enemy within.  But same/same.


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  • Gern Blansten
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    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Defending the wrong side of history. So proud.


    Please show me where I defended trump. All I said was if you’re going to make fun of trump for deferring the draft, you should know Biden did it 1 more time. That’s not defending draft dodging, it’s pointing out the silliness of that meme.
    Post fat pictures of trump all you want, it doesn’t bother me and it doesn’t change the facts of draft deferent. 
    Biden didn't get a letter from his doctor saying he had bone spurs...and then was unable to say which foot he had bone spurs in.

    There's a difference. Lots of people got deferrals...very few got fake letters from their doctors
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  • Bentleyspop
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    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Bentleyspop said:

    Didn’t Biden get 1 more military deferment that Trump?
    What’s your point? It’s POOTWH and Zelensky. Did President Biden get a deferment or two or three?

    But I’ll digress and ask you, how many POOTWH kids have served their nation? 

    I’ll await the spin
    My point is why make fun of trump for the same thing Biden did even more? My guess is everyone sharing that tweet has no idea Biden deferred more times that Trump.
    The difference is that Biden supports Ukraine while tfg supports a murderous dictator.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    edited February 2022
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    At what point should the NHL be boycotted? It is absurd star Russian athletes make millions on the backs of a free American economy and taxpayer financed arenas when their leader threatened us with a nuke.
    What a take.

    Let’s just hand their elite athletes tens of millions of dollars in taxpayer funded arenas. Nothing screams fight for  freedom louder.
    By that token, do you also think that during the unjust Iraq invasion in 2003 that the international community should have thrown out any US person playing sports that were paid hefty from their countries? Students too? Banning US artists from touring? Regular citizens too?

    You US citizens made a lot of cash of the free European economy and taxpayer whatever during that war.
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