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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    has he lost his mind? or is he just trying to poison his troops into believing this is a noble war?
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Zelensky to EU leaders: "This might be the last time you see me alive


    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told EU leaders "this might be the last time you see me alive" during a video conference on Thursday night, two European sources briefed on the call tell Axios.

    State of play: The Pentagon has warned that Russia's primary aim appears to be to encircle Kyiv and "decapitate" its government. Meanwhile Zelensky said Thursday that Russian "sabotage forces" were in Kyiv and hunting for him and his family.

    Zelensky has been using his public and private remarks to pressure, and in some cases shame, countries to do more to help Ukraine and isolate Russia.
    Context: The video call took place before the leaders of EU countries decided on a new series of sanctions against Russia. Zelensky lobbied them to take steps they haven't been willing to so far, a European diplomat told me.

    Shortly before the call, Zelensky gave a televised address saying he was Russia's "number one" target for capture or assassination, and his family members were the "number two" target.
    Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson, who participated in the video conference, call told the TT news agency that when the EU leaders said goodbye to Zelensky they knew they might not see him again.
    The Financial Times reported earlier on Friday that Zelensky had told the EU leaders he didn’t know whether he would be able to speak with them again.
    The latest: Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on the Ukrainian military to perform a coup against Zelensky and then negotiate with Russia.

    https://www.axios.com/zelensky-eu-leaders-last-time-you-see-me-alive-3447dbc0-620d-4ccc-afad-082e81d7a29f.html
  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,996
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A very stable genius.

    Putin says Ukraine’s forces should ‘take power’ from Zelensky and ‘neo-Nazis’ in Kyiv

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on Ukraine’s armed forces to “take power” from the democratically elected government of President Volodymyr Zelensky, underscoring Putin’s determination to drive the Ukrainian leader from office.

    Addressing his hawkish Security Council by video link on Friday, Putin claimed “neo-Nazis” in Ukraine had placed heavy weapons in residential neighborhoods in cities like Kyiv and Kharkiv, saying they were “acting like terrorists” and using women, children, wives and elderly people “as human shields.”

    He said Russia’s main fight was not against the regular armed but what he called neo-Nazi gangs.

    Putin also claimed without evidence that the United States was advising these forces to deploy heavy weapons in civilian areas.

    His aggressive tone came just hours after the Kremlin said it would send a delegation to Minsk to negotiate Ukraine’s neutrality — while making it clear that nothing less than its capitulation would suffice.

    Putin said if Ukrainian armed forces seized power, “it would be easier to come to terms with you than this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis who have settled in Kyiv and taken the entire Ukrainian people hostage.”

    This is of course a pretext but the neo-nazi problem in Ukraine is true and big..
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,894
    mrussel1 said:
    Glory to the heroes.

    Who knows how long they can hold it, but good for these guys. 

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/4768049/ukraine-russia-news-kyiv-airport-capture/
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  • Poncier
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    has he lost his mind? or is he just trying to poison his troops into believing this is a noble war?

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    23scidoo said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A very stable genius.

    Putin says Ukraine’s forces should ‘take power’ from Zelensky and ‘neo-Nazis’ in Kyiv

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on Ukraine’s armed forces to “take power” from the democratically elected government of President Volodymyr Zelensky, underscoring Putin’s determination to drive the Ukrainian leader from office.

    Addressing his hawkish Security Council by video link on Friday, Putin claimed “neo-Nazis” in Ukraine had placed heavy weapons in residential neighborhoods in cities like Kyiv and Kharkiv, saying they were “acting like terrorists” and using women, children, wives and elderly people “as human shields.”

    He said Russia’s main fight was not against the regular armed but what he called neo-Nazi gangs.

    Putin also claimed without evidence that the United States was advising these forces to deploy heavy weapons in civilian areas.

    His aggressive tone came just hours after the Kremlin said it would send a delegation to Minsk to negotiate Ukraine’s neutrality — while making it clear that nothing less than its capitulation would suffice.

    Putin said if Ukrainian armed forces seized power, “it would be easier to come to terms with you than this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis who have settled in Kyiv and taken the entire Ukrainian people hostage.”

    This is of course a pretext but the neo-nazi problem in Ukraine is true and big..
    Have the neo-nazis taken Ukraine hostage and is Zelensky one of them? You say “big,” what percentage of the Ukrainian population identifies as or supports them?
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    23scidoo said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A very stable genius.

    Putin says Ukraine’s forces should ‘take power’ from Zelensky and ‘neo-Nazis’ in Kyiv

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on Ukraine’s armed forces to “take power” from the democratically elected government of President Volodymyr Zelensky, underscoring Putin’s determination to drive the Ukrainian leader from office.

    Addressing his hawkish Security Council by video link on Friday, Putin claimed “neo-Nazis” in Ukraine had placed heavy weapons in residential neighborhoods in cities like Kyiv and Kharkiv, saying they were “acting like terrorists” and using women, children, wives and elderly people “as human shields.”

    He said Russia’s main fight was not against the regular armed but what he called neo-Nazi gangs.

    Putin also claimed without evidence that the United States was advising these forces to deploy heavy weapons in civilian areas.

    His aggressive tone came just hours after the Kremlin said it would send a delegation to Minsk to negotiate Ukraine’s neutrality — while making it clear that nothing less than its capitulation would suffice.

    Putin said if Ukrainian armed forces seized power, “it would be easier to come to terms with you than this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis who have settled in Kyiv and taken the entire Ukrainian people hostage.”

    This is of course a pretext but the neo-nazi problem in Ukraine is true and big..
    It's true, but I don't know how big. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,474
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A very stable genius.

    Putin says Ukraine’s forces should ‘take power’ from Zelensky and ‘neo-Nazis’ in Kyiv

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on Ukraine’s armed forces to “take power” from the democratically elected government of President Volodymyr Zelensky, underscoring Putin’s determination to drive the Ukrainian leader from office.

    Addressing his hawkish Security Council by video link on Friday, Putin claimed “neo-Nazis” in Ukraine had placed heavy weapons in residential neighborhoods in cities like Kyiv and Kharkiv, saying they were “acting like terrorists” and using women, children, wives and elderly people “as human shields.”

    He said Russia’s main fight was not against the regular armed but what he called neo-Nazi gangs.

    Putin also claimed without evidence that the United States was advising these forces to deploy heavy weapons in civilian areas.

    His aggressive tone came just hours after the Kremlin said it would send a delegation to Minsk to negotiate Ukraine’s neutrality — while making it clear that nothing less than its capitulation would suffice.

    Putin said if Ukrainian armed forces seized power, “it would be easier to come to terms with you than this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis who have settled in Kyiv and taken the entire Ukrainian people hostage.”

    This is of course a pretext but the neo-nazi problem in Ukraine is true and big..
    It's true, but I don't know how big. 
    Didn't we train them too?
  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    It’s Putin acting like Hitler, Zelensky actually has Jewish heritage.
    I doubt Russians even want this war at all.

  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Annafalk said:
    It’s Putin acting like Hitler, Zelensky actually has Jewish heritage.
    I doubt Russians even want this war at all.

    Then they should try and overthrow him instead of being his war puppets.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    PJPOWER said:
    Annafalk said:
    It’s Putin acting like Hitler, Zelensky actually has Jewish heritage.
    I doubt Russians even want this war at all.

    Then they should try and overthrow him instead of being his war puppets.
    Overthrow who?
  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    PJPOWER said:
    Annafalk said:
    It’s Putin acting like Hitler, Zelensky actually has Jewish heritage.
    I doubt Russians even want this war at all.

    Then they should try and overthrow him instead of being his war puppets.
    His been in that position for over 20 years, if someone goes against him they just disappear for some reason.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Annafalk said:
    It’s Putin acting like Hitler, Zelensky actually has Jewish heritage.
    I doubt Russians even want this war at all.

    Then they should try and overthrow him instead of being his war puppets.
    Overthrow who?
    Putin.  It is encouraging seeing the protests in Russia, but that piece of shit needs to be in the bottom of a river.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Annafalk said:
    It’s Putin acting like Hitler, Zelensky actually has Jewish heritage.
    I doubt Russians even want this war at all.

    Then they should try and overthrow him instead of being his war puppets.
    Overthrow who?
    Putin.  It is encouraging seeing the protests in Russia, but that piece of shit needs to be in the bottom of a river.
    Agreed.  Wish that was feasible.  
  • brianlux
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    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Annafalk said:
    It’s Putin acting like Hitler, Zelensky actually has Jewish heritage.
    I doubt Russians even want this war at all.

    Then they should try and overthrow him instead of being his war puppets.
    Overthrow who?
    Putin.  It is encouraging seeing the protests in Russia, but that piece of shit needs to be in the bottom of a river.
    Agreed.  Wish that was feasible.  

    Yes, and this is where the whole thing becomes incredibly difficult and complex.  In the world we live in today, how doe someone with that much power get deposed?  Is it even possible?
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Annafalk said:
    It’s Putin acting like Hitler, Zelensky actually has Jewish heritage.
    I doubt Russians even want this war at all.

    Then they should try and overthrow him instead of being his war puppets.
    Overthrow who?
    Putin.  It is encouraging seeing the protests in Russia, but that piece of shit needs to be in the bottom of a river.
    It is also encouraging, to me, that some of our friends here who we know are Trump supporters are standing firmly with Ukraine.  Thank you.  That tells me that the pro-Putin strain that infects some part of the country isn't widespread.

    @Spiritual_Chaos - can you tell me why Sweden never entered NATO?
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited February 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Annafalk said:
    It’s Putin acting like Hitler, Zelensky actually has Jewish heritage.
    I doubt Russians even want this war at all.

    Then they should try and overthrow him instead of being his war puppets.
    Overthrow who?
    Putin.  It is encouraging seeing the protests in Russia, but that piece of shit needs to be in the bottom of a river.
    It is also encouraging, to me, that some of our friends here who we know are Trump supporters are standing firmly with Ukraine.  Thank you.  That tells me that the pro-Putin strain that infects some part of the country isn't widespread.

    @Spiritual_Chaos - can you tell me why Sweden never entered NATO?
    Agreed, but please do not lump me in as a “Trump supporter”.  I am far from it.  There are very few politicians I actually “support”.  I didn’t vote for him this last election and will never again.  That doesn’t mean I will vote for Biden, but definitely not Trump.  I don’t understand how anyone could be pro-Putin…
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Annafalk said:
    It’s Putin acting like Hitler, Zelensky actually has Jewish heritage.
    I doubt Russians even want this war at all.

    Then they should try and overthrow him instead of being his war puppets.
    Overthrow who?
    Putin.  It is encouraging seeing the protests in Russia, but that piece of shit needs to be in the bottom of a river.
    It is also encouraging, to me, that some of our friends here who we know are Trump supporters are standing firmly with Ukraine.  Thank you.  That tells me that the pro-Putin strain that infects some part of the country isn't widespread.

    @Spiritual_Chaos - can you tell me why Sweden never entered NATO?
    Agreed, but please do not lump me in as a “Trump supporter”.  I am far from it.  There are very few politicians I actually “support”.  I didn’t vote for him this last election and will never again.  That doesn’t mean I will vote for Biden, but definitely not Trump.
    Fair enough.  I thought you were right of center so assumed the vote.  
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Annafalk said:
    It’s Putin acting like Hitler, Zelensky actually has Jewish heritage.
    I doubt Russians even want this war at all.

    Then they should try and overthrow him instead of being his war puppets.
    Overthrow who?
    Putin.  It is encouraging seeing the protests in Russia, but that piece of shit needs to be in the bottom of a river.
    It is also encouraging, to me, that some of our friends here who we know are Trump supporters are standing firmly with Ukraine.  Thank you.  That tells me that the pro-Putin strain that infects some part of the country isn't widespread.

    @Spiritual_Chaos - can you tell me why Sweden never entered NATO?
    Agreed, but please do not lump me in as a “Trump supporter”.  I am far from it.  There are very few politicians I actually “support”.  I didn’t vote for him this last election and will never again.  That doesn’t mean I will vote for Biden, but definitely not Trump.
    Fair enough.  I thought you were right of center so assumed the vote.  
    Don’t let it happen again ;). 
    (not serious of course)

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