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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,488
    cincybearcat said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mace1229 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Former boxing champ and current mayor of Kyiv Vitali Klitschko taking up arms… 



    President Volodymyr Zelensky joining in the fight as well…


    that is badass. it seems weird to see that and know that the mayor of dc and the potus would never do that.
    Aside from the fact he’s president, it seems weird to you some 80 year old wouldn’t lead the charge into battle?
    not all presidents are 80 year old men.

    washington might have ridden in to battle. grant may have. kennedy was a war hero, so he had been there. these politicians today are a joke. it is all about posturing and picking fights that other people have to go fight while the politicians are safe with their secret service detail.
    Shoulda elected Pete.
    Biggest chance would be Bernie to pick up an US bought Swedish AK5 to protect the US.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    cincybearcat said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mace1229 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Former boxing champ and current mayor of Kyiv Vitali Klitschko taking up arms… 



    President Volodymyr Zelensky joining in the fight as well…


    that is badass. it seems weird to see that and know that the mayor of dc and the potus would never do that.
    Aside from the fact he’s president, it seems weird to you some 80 year old wouldn’t lead the charge into battle?
    not all presidents are 80 year old men.

    washington might have ridden in to battle. grant may have. kennedy was a war hero, so he had been there. these politicians today are a joke. it is all about posturing and picking fights that other people have to go fight while the politicians are safe with their secret service detail.
    Shoulda elected Pete.
    I really like Pete in 24
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    Good discussion everyone.  

    Does anyone have a good understanding of our ballistic and nuclear missile defense capabilities?  Remember "Star Wars" from Reagan?  Did we ever implement anything like that so that if things did escalate, it isn't "Mutually assured destruction"?
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,488
    edited February 2022
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,532
    edited February 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    Good discussion everyone.  

    Does anyone have a good understanding of our ballistic and nuclear missile defense capabilities?  Remember "Star Wars" from Reagan?  Did we ever implement anything like that so that if things did escalate, it isn't "Mutually assured destruction"?

    would assume iron dome tech would play some.

    biggest concern is this supersonic shit they recently tested.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    FFS. I feel like we're heading towards WW3. 
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  • static111
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    mrussel1 said:
    Good discussion everyone.  

    Does anyone have a good understanding of our ballistic and nuclear missile defense capabilities?  Remember "Star Wars" from Reagan?  Did we ever implement anything like that so that if things did escalate, it isn't "Mutually assured destruction"?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegis_Ballistic_Missile_Defense_System 
    I worked on these. Very capable.  There is other unpublicized stuff out there as well
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,196
    mrussel1 said:
    Good discussion everyone.  

    Does anyone have a good understanding of our ballistic and nuclear missile defense capabilities?  Remember "Star Wars" from Reagan?  Did we ever implement anything like that so that if things did escalate, it isn't "Mutually assured destruction"?
    star wars was about 35 years ago. i am sure some of that technology is obsolete by now. well, i am guessing at least.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,196
    i do not know who made this, but this is a trend i am seeing on my social media at least. felt it could lighten the mood for a second.




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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,488
    edited February 2022
    leaving work now. Could barely sleep last night worrying about the attack on Kyiv. Logging of from the war. It's just so sad.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • dignin
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  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,331
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i do not know who made this, but this is a trend i am seeing on my social media at least. felt it could lighten the mood for a second.




    This is so true. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,366
    EU freezing Putin on the Ritz's and Lavatory's assets. It's a start. Can the US be far behind? What else should we do? I think there's things going on that we don't know about as it relates to support. Special Operations, types of weapons being supplied, etc. All in all, in the absence of a direct confrontation with the Russian military, there's limited options with the potential to escalate and spiral out of control. Here's hoping there's a Kremlin coup.
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  • mrussel1
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    Glory to the heroes.

    Who knows how long they can hold it, but good for these guys. 

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/4768049/ukraine-russia-news-kyiv-airport-capture/
  • tempo_n_groove
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    FFS. I feel like we're heading towards WW3. 
    Remember how many times we thought this during the 80's?
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mrussel1 said:
    Glory to the heroes.

    Who knows how long they can hold it, but good for these guys. 

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/4768049/ukraine-russia-news-kyiv-airport-capture/

    That was yesterday. Russia claims to have it back now.

    This is going to be a slaughter, but I hope I'm somehow wrong.

  • HughFreakingDillon
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    mrussel1 said:
    Glory to the heroes.

    Who knows how long they can hold it, but good for these guys. 

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/4768049/ukraine-russia-news-kyiv-airport-capture/
    that tank demolishing that poor woman by driving over car? that's a cowherd if I've ever seen one. pieces of garbage. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    FFS. I feel like we're heading towards WW3. 
    Remember how many times we thought this during the 80's?
    I suppose. but it all seemed so far away back then (plus I was preteen at the time). Now it's right up in our faces. 
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  • mace1229
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mace1229 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Former boxing champ and current mayor of Kyiv Vitali Klitschko taking up arms… 



    President Volodymyr Zelensky joining in the fight as well…


    that is badass. it seems weird to see that and know that the mayor of dc and the potus would never do that.
    Aside from the fact he’s president, it seems weird to you some 80 year old wouldn’t lead the charge into battle?
    not all presidents are 80 year old men.

    washington might have ridden in to battle. grant may have. kennedy was a war hero, so he had been there. these politicians today are a joke. it is all about posturing and picking fights that other people have to go fight while the politicians are safe with their secret service detail.
    I thought you were referring to the current president when you said the potus wouldn’t do that.
    Even still, that’s not odd. You dont have to be in the front lines to lead. Would you consider Eisenhower a joke of WWII since he wasn’t there leading the charge in DDay?
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    A very stable genius.

    Putin says Ukraine’s forces should ‘take power’ from Zelensky and ‘neo-Nazis’ in Kyiv

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on Ukraine’s armed forces to “take power” from the democratically elected government of President Volodymyr Zelensky, underscoring Putin’s determination to drive the Ukrainian leader from office.

    Addressing his hawkish Security Council by video link on Friday, Putin claimed “neo-Nazis” in Ukraine had placed heavy weapons in residential neighborhoods in cities like Kyiv and Kharkiv, saying they were “acting like terrorists” and using women, children, wives and elderly people “as human shields.”

    He said Russia’s main fight was not against the regular armed but what he called neo-Nazi gangs.

    Putin also claimed without evidence that the United States was advising these forces to deploy heavy weapons in civilian areas.

    His aggressive tone came just hours after the Kremlin said it would send a delegation to Minsk to negotiate Ukraine’s neutrality — while making it clear that nothing less than its capitulation would suffice.

    Putin said if Ukrainian armed forces seized power, “it would be easier to come to terms with you than this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis who have settled in Kyiv and taken the entire Ukrainian people hostage.”

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