Ukraine

mrussel1 · February 2022

lastexitlondon said:

Its all so needless

Putin needs another country to loot. His people live in abject poverty, with a per capita GPD the same as Kazakhstan, less than half of friggin' Georgia (the country). And look at the poverty levels of the Donbass and Crimea regions. He has turned those into states of decay. Yet, Putin is literally considered to be the wealthiest person in the world. He is corrupt, murderous and our enemy.

gimmesometruth27 · February 2022

mrussel1 said:

lastexitlondon said:

Its all so needless

Putin needs another country to loot. His people live in abject poverty, with a per capita GPD the same as Kazakhstan, less than half of friggin' Georgia (the country). And look at the poverty levels of the Donbass and Crimea regions. He has turned those into states of decay. Yet, Putin is literally considered to be the wealthiest person in the world. He is corrupt, murderous and our enemy.

he isn't trump's enemy. putin is just mad now because biden will not give him ukraine like trump would have.

Jearlpam0925 · February 2022

Reading Fiona Hill is interesting that basically she doesn't know if Biden has the influence or ability to rally this thing, but at least he's trying to do something as opposed to his predecessor, who put forth zero effort.

cincybearcat · February 2022

This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all

mrussel1 · February 2022

cincybearcat said:

This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all

That's why they sanction the assets of the oligarchs, Dumas members and other political leaders directly. No it isn't perfect, but it will hurt them personally.

cincybearcat · February 2022

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all

That's why they sanction the assets of the oligarchs, Dumas members and other political leaders directly. No it isn't perfect, but it will hurt them personally.

It’s clearly been super effective. Again we gave Russia > 4 years to do whatever they wanted so that sucks too.

mrussel1 · February 2022

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all

That's why they sanction the assets of the oligarchs, Dumas members and other political leaders directly. No it isn't perfect, but it will hurt them personally.

It’s clearly been super effective. Again we gave Russia > 4 years to do whatever they wanted so that sucks too.

I'm talking about forward sanctions. These are not in place.

I also think they should be removed from SWIFT if they invade. That's the international financial clearing house run out of Belgium. It would effectively cut them off from their cash around the world and ability to sell exports. It would be devastating. EU has control of that. That's the hammer.

mickeyrat · February 2022

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all

That's why they sanction the assets of the oligarchs, Dumas members and other political leaders directly. No it isn't perfect, but it will hurt them personally.

It’s clearly been super effective. Again we gave Russia > 4 years to do whatever they wanted so that sucks too.

I'm talking about forward sanctions. These are not in place.

I also think they should be removed from SWIFT if they invade. That's the international financial clearing house run out of Belgium. It would effectively cut them off from their cash around the world and ability to sell exports. It would be devastating. EU has control of that. That's the hammer.

and have expressed taken just that action.

Zod · February 2022

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all

That's why they sanction the assets of the oligarchs, Dumas members and other political leaders directly. No it isn't perfect, but it will hurt them personally.

It’s clearly been super effective. Again we gave Russia > 4 years to do whatever they wanted so that sucks too.

I'm talking about forward sanctions. These are not in place.

I also think they should be removed from SWIFT if they invade. That's the international financial clearing house run out of Belgium. It would effectively cut them off from their cash around the world and ability to sell exports. It would be devastating. EU has control of that. That's the hammer.

Doesn't Russia provide Europe with a large part of it's fuel needs (and i'm guessing other exports)? What happens to europe if that stuff turns off?

mickeyrat · February 2022

Zod said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all

That's why they sanction the assets of the oligarchs, Dumas members and other political leaders directly. No it isn't perfect, but it will hurt them personally.

It’s clearly been super effective. Again we gave Russia > 4 years to do whatever they wanted so that sucks too.

I'm talking about forward sanctions. These are not in place.

I also think they should be removed from SWIFT if they invade. That's the international financial clearing house run out of Belgium. It would effectively cut them off from their cash around the world and ability to sell exports. It would be devastating. EU has control of that. That's the hammer.

Doesn't Russia provide Europe with a large part of it's fuel needs (and i'm guessing other exports)? What happens to europe if that stuff turns off?

hmmm, cut off a major source of legitimate income?

BlueLedbetter · February 2022

Jearlpam0925 said:

Suggest following these people name dropped for coverage:
https://twitter.com/JustenCharters/status/1494761779368370176?t=A2j0muQg1jCEvjz6cx9sdw&s=19

Nolan Peterson is hands down the best one for overall lay of the land.

But, yeah, this sucks. This is a really big deal and it's shocking how many people either a) don't give a shit or b) have no fucking clue.

Yes terrible situation major war in mainland Europe should be unthinkable. Could be knock on issues for lots or Eastern Europe countries even beyond the loss of life in Ukraine

Jearlpam0925 · February 2022

Zod said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all

That's why they sanction the assets of the oligarchs, Dumas members and other political leaders directly. No it isn't perfect, but it will hurt them personally.

It’s clearly been super effective. Again we gave Russia > 4 years to do whatever they wanted so that sucks too.

I'm talking about forward sanctions. These are not in place.

I also think they should be removed from SWIFT if they invade. That's the international financial clearing house run out of Belgium. It would effectively cut them off from their cash around the world and ability to sell exports. It would be devastating. EU has control of that. That's the hammer.

Doesn't Russia provide Europe with a large part of it's fuel needs (and i'm guessing other exports)? What happens to europe if that stuff turns off?

Was actually thinking about this yesterday. For all the people who bitch about gas prices (at least in the US), can you imagine once the 2nd largest producer is shut off?

mrussel1 · February 2022

Jearlpam0925 said:

Zod said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all

That's why they sanction the assets of the oligarchs, Dumas members and other political leaders directly. No it isn't perfect, but it will hurt them personally.

It’s clearly been super effective. Again we gave Russia > 4 years to do whatever they wanted so that sucks too.

I'm talking about forward sanctions. These are not in place.

I also think they should be removed from SWIFT if they invade. That's the international financial clearing house run out of Belgium. It would effectively cut them off from their cash around the world and ability to sell exports. It would be devastating. EU has control of that. That's the hammer.

Doesn't Russia provide Europe with a large part of it's fuel needs (and i'm guessing other exports)? What happens to europe if that stuff turns off?

Was actually thinking about this yesterday. For all the people who bitch about gas prices (at least in the US), can you imagine once the 2nd largest producer is shut off?

They produce 10% of the petroleum exports. They also provide Europe with natural gas through the Nord 1 pipeline. So yes, it will hurt everyone a bit, but no one worse than Russia. We can't expect no pain in defending a country's right to sovereignty.

Gern Blansten · February 2022

I can't imagine that the Russian troops are very fired up about this. What motivation do they have to kill Ukrainian citizens?

Really bizarre shit

Jearlpam0925 · February 2022

mrussel1 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Zod said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all

That's why they sanction the assets of the oligarchs, Dumas members and other political leaders directly. No it isn't perfect, but it will hurt them personally.

It’s clearly been super effective. Again we gave Russia > 4 years to do whatever they wanted so that sucks too.

I'm talking about forward sanctions. These are not in place.

I also think they should be removed from SWIFT if they invade. That's the international financial clearing house run out of Belgium. It would effectively cut them off from their cash around the world and ability to sell exports. It would be devastating. EU has control of that. That's the hammer.

Doesn't Russia provide Europe with a large part of it's fuel needs (and i'm guessing other exports)? What happens to europe if that stuff turns off?

Was actually thinking about this yesterday. For all the people who bitch about gas prices (at least in the US), can you imagine once the 2nd largest producer is shut off?

They produce 10% of the petroleum exports. They also provide Europe with natural gas through the Nord 1 pipeline. So yes, it will hurt everyone a bit, but no one worse than Russia. We can't expect no pain in defending a country's right to sovereignty.

Oh for sure, I'm not one to give a shit about gas prices. If anything they've been too low for too long.

Regardless, it would absolutely devastate Russia so LFG do it baby.

I still don't rule out an actual war here tho. Russia is the Eric Andre meme shooting Ukraine with the gun while saying "WHY WOUlD UKRAINE DO THIS???"

mrussel1 · February 2022

Jearlpam0925 said:

mrussel1 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Zod said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all

That's why they sanction the assets of the oligarchs, Dumas members and other political leaders directly. No it isn't perfect, but it will hurt them personally.

It’s clearly been super effective. Again we gave Russia > 4 years to do whatever they wanted so that sucks too.

I'm talking about forward sanctions. These are not in place.

I also think they should be removed from SWIFT if they invade. That's the international financial clearing house run out of Belgium. It would effectively cut them off from their cash around the world and ability to sell exports. It would be devastating. EU has control of that. That's the hammer.

Doesn't Russia provide Europe with a large part of it's fuel needs (and i'm guessing other exports)? What happens to europe if that stuff turns off?

Was actually thinking about this yesterday. For all the people who bitch about gas prices (at least in the US), can you imagine once the 2nd largest producer is shut off?

They produce 10% of the petroleum exports. They also provide Europe with natural gas through the Nord 1 pipeline. So yes, it will hurt everyone a bit, but no one worse than Russia. We can't expect no pain in defending a country's right to sovereignty.

Oh for sure, I'm not one to give a shit about gas prices. If anything they've been too low for too long.

Regardless, it would absolutely devastate Russia so LFG do it baby.

I still don't rule out an actual war here tho. Russia is the Eric Andre meme shooting Ukraine with the gun while saying "WHY WOUlD UKRAINE DO THIS???"

The invasion is starting, but declaring two regions as separatist. Time to bring the sanctions.

cincybearcat · February 2022

mrussel1 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

mrussel1 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Zod said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all

That's why they sanction the assets of the oligarchs, Dumas members and other political leaders directly. No it isn't perfect, but it will hurt them personally.

It’s clearly been super effective. Again we gave Russia > 4 years to do whatever they wanted so that sucks too.

I'm talking about forward sanctions. These are not in place.

I also think they should be removed from SWIFT if they invade. That's the international financial clearing house run out of Belgium. It would effectively cut them off from their cash around the world and ability to sell exports. It would be devastating. EU has control of that. That's the hammer.

Doesn't Russia provide Europe with a large part of it's fuel needs (and i'm guessing other exports)? What happens to europe if that stuff turns off?

Was actually thinking about this yesterday. For all the people who bitch about gas prices (at least in the US), can you imagine once the 2nd largest producer is shut off?

They produce 10% of the petroleum exports. They also provide Europe with natural gas through the Nord 1 pipeline. So yes, it will hurt everyone a bit, but no one worse than Russia. We can't expect no pain in defending a country's right to sovereignty.

Oh for sure, I'm not one to give a shit about gas prices. If anything they've been too low for too long.

Regardless, it would absolutely devastate Russia so LFG do it baby.

I still don't rule out an actual war here tho. Russia is the Eric Andre meme shooting Ukraine with the gun while saying "WHY WOUlD UKRAINE DO THIS???"

The invasion is starting, but declaring two regions as separatist. Time to bring the sanctions.

That’ll stop them

mrussel1 · February 2022

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

mrussel1 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Zod said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all

That's why they sanction the assets of the oligarchs, Dumas members and other political leaders directly. No it isn't perfect, but it will hurt them personally.

It’s clearly been super effective. Again we gave Russia > 4 years to do whatever they wanted so that sucks too.

I'm talking about forward sanctions. These are not in place.

I also think they should be removed from SWIFT if they invade. That's the international financial clearing house run out of Belgium. It would effectively cut them off from their cash around the world and ability to sell exports. It would be devastating. EU has control of that. That's the hammer.

Doesn't Russia provide Europe with a large part of it's fuel needs (and i'm guessing other exports)? What happens to europe if that stuff turns off?

Was actually thinking about this yesterday. For all the people who bitch about gas prices (at least in the US), can you imagine once the 2nd largest producer is shut off?

They produce 10% of the petroleum exports. They also provide Europe with natural gas through the Nord 1 pipeline. So yes, it will hurt everyone a bit, but no one worse than Russia. We can't expect no pain in defending a country's right to sovereignty.

Oh for sure, I'm not one to give a shit about gas prices. If anything they've been too low for too long.

Regardless, it would absolutely devastate Russia so LFG do it baby.

I still don't rule out an actual war here tho. Russia is the Eric Andre meme shooting Ukraine with the gun while saying "WHY WOUlD UKRAINE DO THIS???"

The invasion is starting, but declaring two regions as separatist. Time to bring the sanctions.

That’ll stop them

You don't think:

1. eliminating all trade and investments in the two regions
2. Freezing assets of Putin and his oligarchs individually
3. Cutting them out of SWIFT

would have any impact on the oligarchs and the broader Russian economy? If it has no effect, then why is Iran willing to halt their nuclear program for 15 years in exchange for reduced sanctions? And remember, this is going after individuals connected to the Kremlin.

mrussel1 · February 2022

An excerpt from Putin's deranged speech today:

As a result of Bolshevik policy, Soviet Ukraine arose, which even today can with good reason be called “Vladimir Ilyich Lenin’s Ukraine.” He is its author and architect. This is fully confirmed by archive documents. . . . And now grateful descendants have demolished monuments to Lenin in Ukraine. This is what they call decommunisation. Do you want decommunisation? Well, that suits us just fine. But it is unnecessary, as they say, to stop halfway. We are ready to show you what real decommunisation means for Ukraine.

This is truly breathtaking, dangerous and borderline insane. What does "decommunisation" mean for Ukraine? We can only assume what it has meant for Russia, Crimea, Georgia, Chechnya and Kazak.. It means a country looted and impoverished, while the oligarchs get richer. It means the ruble falls even further. Today it's the weakest it's ever been against the dollar (modern times). The Russian market crashed 11% today and is down 40% since Putin started moving troops. He is taking his country into the oblivion while trying to undo what he sees as the damage of Minsk and other post Soviet treaties. It's not that much different than Hitler trying to avenge Versailles.

dignin · February 2022

So, Russia just officially invaded Ukraine. 2022 is gonna be a hell of a year.

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