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Lmfao…that’s weak. Do better. I guess other young poor Americans don’t mean anything to you…Ukraine is so important to you that your willing to see other kids sacrificed … you sir are a truly patriotic selfless American. I salute you.mrussel1 said:
You are fully prepared to sacrifice Ukrainians. Guess they aren't as important as North Americans.Meltdown99 said:The bottom line is if you are willing to sacrifice other peoples children, then be prepared to sacrifice you and your family…Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Why doesn’t Europe send troops first? It’s their continent? But even Europe seems to have little interest in a conflict…other than Britain.Give Peas A Chance…0
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That's the natural outcome of your argument. You're so concerned about American soldiers yet you say this is a European problem, let them fight. Yet you're no more American than you are European. So your argument makes no sense but you continue to use it. If my son joined the military then he and I would fully expect him to go. So try an argument that is cogent.Meltdown99 said:
Lmfao…that’s weak. Do better. I guess other young poor Americans don’t mean anything to you…Ukraine is so important to you that your willing to see other kids sacrificed … you sir are a truly patriotic selfless American. I salute you.mrussel1 said:
You are fully prepared to sacrifice Ukrainians. Guess they aren't as important as North Americans.Meltdown99 said:The bottom line is if you are willing to sacrifice other peoples children, then be prepared to sacrifice you and your family…
And after you do that, quote me where I said the Ukraine is in NATO. Still waiting for that.0 -
Why doesn't Canada send troops first? It's their planet.Meltdown99 said:Why doesn’t Europe send troops first? It’s their continent? But even Europe seems to have little interest in a conflict…other than Britain."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Wow this thread got hot over the weekend!Scio me nihil scire
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If Russia invades Ukraine I doubt there is much that can be done…no one is rushing to send troops to reinforce the Ukrainian border…that I am aware of…and when America was bogged down for 20 years in another lost war Russia was building supersonic missiles…and upgrading their military considerably…and Russia will bomb and kill with no regard to civilian life. It will be bloody and very messy, the west does not have the stomach for that kind of war.
But I think Ukrainian president is a smart guy by trying to turn down the tempature…Give Peas A Chance…0 -
The first thing that happens is a sanctions bill is signed that will start hitting them economically BEFORE the invasion. https://www.reuters.com/world/us-senate-close-deal-legislation-sanction-russia-senators-2022-01-30/Meltdown99 said:If Russia invades Ukraine I doubt there is much that can be done…no one is rushing to send troops to reinforce the Ukrainian border…that I am aware of…and when America was bogged down for 20 years in another lost war Russia was building supersonic missiles…and upgrading their military considerably…and Russia will bomb and kill with no regard to civilian life. It will be bloody and very messy, the west does not have the stomach for that kind of war.
But I think Ukrainian president is a smart guy by trying to turn down the tempature…
If they invade, then you cut them off from SWIFT. Now I don't know what the rules are for cutting them from that service, but eliminating them from international bank transfers would be devastating financially. Putin knows this, as do the other Oligarchs.
And don't forget, for all of those people worried about Germany, the Nord gas line isn't even active yet. So Germany is not going to lose gas during the winter.
I don't think this will turn into a hot war. But passing the sanctions, NATO forces moving, US forces moving, all of these things are important to make Putin back down. We have offered concessions on some of the military exercises in eastern Europe, but Russia will not dictate who is in NATO and who is not.0 -
BTW - you are misreading Zelensky's statement. Yes, he does want to cool the boil of course. And he's playing to three audiences; home, the west and to Russia. But you should watch the ambassador's interview yesterday lest you think Zelensky does not seem them as an imminent threat. From the article:Meltdown99 said:If Russia invades Ukraine I doubt there is much that can be done…no one is rushing to send troops to reinforce the Ukrainian border…that I am aware of…and when America was bogged down for 20 years in another lost war Russia was building supersonic missiles…and upgrading their military considerably…and Russia will bomb and kill with no regard to civilian life. It will be bloody and very messy, the west does not have the stomach for that kind of war.
But I think Ukrainian president is a smart guy by trying to turn down the tempature…Ukraine is asking for both actions - sanctions right now and more after any invasion, Kyiv's ambassador to the United States, Oksana Markarova, said on CBS' "Face the Nation."
Markarova downplayed the simmering tensions laid bare on Friday when Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy accused the United States of fueling panic over a possible Russian invasion.
"There is no friction," she said. "We can have difference of opinions" but the United States is Ukraine's strategic partner and friend and relations are at their highest level in decades.
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I did not see your politicians posing with this sign. You did not join us in this campaign
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I watched our NSC director, Jake Sullivan, hold a press conference where he explained in detail what we know, what they’re anticipating and what the US and NATO allies are prepared to do. He then took questions for about an hour, answered politely and in detail and even asked press members to repeat themselves when he didn’t hear the question. No evasive answers, no spin, no snapping at a question he didn’t like. Just professional and informative with seriousness. Spoke at length regarding the diplomatic efforts being made by the US and NATO allies. Refreshing after listening to Sarah Hucksterabee, Kelly McAmeany and Pompouspeo.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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but did he do the patented huckabee sanders point though? you know the one, with the palm turned up, wrist hyperextended, and index finger pointing awkwardly in the general vicinity of the reporter she was calling on?Halifax2TheMax said:I watched our NSC director, Jake Sullivan, hold a press conference where he explained in detail what we know, what they’re anticipating and what the US and NATO allies are prepared to do. He then took questions for about an hour, answered politely and in detail and even asked press members to repeat themselves when he didn’t hear the question. No evasive answers, no spin, no snapping at a question he didn’t like. Just professional and informative with seriousness. Spoke at length regarding the diplomatic efforts being made by the US and NATO allies. Refreshing after listening to Sarah Hucksterabee, Kelly McAmeany and Pompouspeo."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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you did not see whose politicians posing with that sign?Meltdown99 said:I did not see your politicians posing with this sign. You did not join us in this campaign"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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I don’t think he pointed once. Nodded and called on the reporter by name. Honestly, it was impressive in that he explained things so that a lay person could understand. Things like NATO commitments, treaties, the why it’s an issue, the behind the scenes level of diplomatic efforts being taken to AVOID A WAR. Hmmm, think about that, the US trying to avoid a war. But also illustrating who the aggressor is and who has more to lose because of alliances and things like GDP, DEMOCRACY, etc. Oh, and history too.gimmesometruth27 said:
but did he do the patented huckabee sanders point though? you know the one, with the palm turned up, wrist hyperextended, and index finger pointing awkwardly in the general vicinity of the reporter she was calling on?Halifax2TheMax said:I watched our NSC director, Jake Sullivan, hold a press conference where he explained in detail what we know, what they’re anticipating and what the US and NATO allies are prepared to do. He then took questions for about an hour, answered politely and in detail and even asked press members to repeat themselves when he didn’t hear the question. No evasive answers, no spin, no snapping at a question he didn’t like. Just professional and informative with seriousness. Spoke at length regarding the diplomatic efforts being made by the US and NATO allies. Refreshing after listening to Sarah Hucksterabee, Kelly McAmeany and Pompouspeo.
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Dude? You need to hold it longer! But to your point, Putin on the ritz can seize WWI surplus weapons anytime. Do you like potatoes?Meltdown99 said:09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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whose politicians did you not see standing with the sign??Meltdown99 said:"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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