Nolan Peterson is hands down the best one for overall lay of the land.
But, yeah, this sucks. This is a really big deal and it's shocking how many people either a) don't give a shit or b) have no fucking clue.
Yes terrible situation major war in mainland Europe should be unthinkable. Could be knock on issues for lots or Eastern Europe countries even beyond the loss of life in Ukraine
This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all
That's why they sanction the assets of the oligarchs, Dumas members and other political leaders directly. No it isn't perfect, but it will hurt them personally.
It’s clearly been super effective. Again we gave Russia > 4 years to do whatever they wanted so that sucks too.
I'm talking about forward sanctions. These are not in place.
I also think they should be removed from SWIFT if they invade. That's the international financial clearing house run out of Belgium. It would effectively cut them off from their cash around the world and ability to sell exports. It would be devastating. EU has control of that. That's the hammer.
Doesn't Russia provide Europe with a large part of it's fuel needs (and i'm guessing other exports)? What happens to europe if that stuff turns off?
Was actually thinking about this yesterday. For all the people who bitch about gas prices (at least in the US), can you imagine once the 2nd largest producer is shut off?
This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all
That's why they sanction the assets of the oligarchs, Dumas members and other political leaders directly. No it isn't perfect, but it will hurt them personally.
It’s clearly been super effective. Again we gave Russia > 4 years to do whatever they wanted so that sucks too.
I'm talking about forward sanctions. These are not in place.
I also think they should be removed from SWIFT if they invade. That's the international financial clearing house run out of Belgium. It would effectively cut them off from their cash around the world and ability to sell exports. It would be devastating. EU has control of that. That's the hammer.
Doesn't Russia provide Europe with a large part of it's fuel needs (and i'm guessing other exports)? What happens to europe if that stuff turns off?
Was actually thinking about this yesterday. For all the people who bitch about gas prices (at least in the US), can you imagine once the 2nd largest producer is shut off?
They produce 10% of the petroleum exports. They also provide Europe with natural gas through the Nord 1 pipeline. So yes, it will hurt everyone a bit, but no one worse than Russia. We can't expect no pain in defending a country's right to sovereignty.
I can't imagine that the Russian troops are very fired up about this. What motivation do they have to kill Ukrainian citizens?
Really bizarre shit
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This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all
That's why they sanction the assets of the oligarchs, Dumas members and other political leaders directly. No it isn't perfect, but it will hurt them personally.
It’s clearly been super effective. Again we gave Russia > 4 years to do whatever they wanted so that sucks too.
I'm talking about forward sanctions. These are not in place.
I also think they should be removed from SWIFT if they invade. That's the international financial clearing house run out of Belgium. It would effectively cut them off from their cash around the world and ability to sell exports. It would be devastating. EU has control of that. That's the hammer.
Doesn't Russia provide Europe with a large part of it's fuel needs (and i'm guessing other exports)? What happens to europe if that stuff turns off?
Was actually thinking about this yesterday. For all the people who bitch about gas prices (at least in the US), can you imagine once the 2nd largest producer is shut off?
They produce 10% of the petroleum exports. They also provide Europe with natural gas through the Nord 1 pipeline. So yes, it will hurt everyone a bit, but no one worse than Russia. We can't expect no pain in defending a country's right to sovereignty.
Oh for sure, I'm not one to give a shit about gas prices. If anything they've been too low for too long.
Regardless, it would absolutely devastate Russia so LFG do it baby.
I still don't rule out an actual war here tho. Russia is the Eric Andre meme shooting Ukraine with the gun while saying "WHY WOUlD UKRAINE DO THIS???"
This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all
That's why they sanction the assets of the oligarchs, Dumas members and other political leaders directly. No it isn't perfect, but it will hurt them personally.
It’s clearly been super effective. Again we gave Russia > 4 years to do whatever they wanted so that sucks too.
I'm talking about forward sanctions. These are not in place.
I also think they should be removed from SWIFT if they invade. That's the international financial clearing house run out of Belgium. It would effectively cut them off from their cash around the world and ability to sell exports. It would be devastating. EU has control of that. That's the hammer.
Doesn't Russia provide Europe with a large part of it's fuel needs (and i'm guessing other exports)? What happens to europe if that stuff turns off?
Was actually thinking about this yesterday. For all the people who bitch about gas prices (at least in the US), can you imagine once the 2nd largest producer is shut off?
They produce 10% of the petroleum exports. They also provide Europe with natural gas through the Nord 1 pipeline. So yes, it will hurt everyone a bit, but no one worse than Russia. We can't expect no pain in defending a country's right to sovereignty.
Oh for sure, I'm not one to give a shit about gas prices. If anything they've been too low for too long.
Regardless, it would absolutely devastate Russia so LFG do it baby.
I still don't rule out an actual war here tho. Russia is the Eric Andre meme shooting Ukraine with the gun while saying "WHY WOUlD UKRAINE DO THIS???"
The invasion is starting, but declaring two regions as separatist. Time to bring the sanctions.
This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all
That's why they sanction the assets of the oligarchs, Dumas members and other political leaders directly. No it isn't perfect, but it will hurt them personally.
It’s clearly been super effective. Again we gave Russia > 4 years to do whatever they wanted so that sucks too.
I'm talking about forward sanctions. These are not in place.
I also think they should be removed from SWIFT if they invade. That's the international financial clearing house run out of Belgium. It would effectively cut them off from their cash around the world and ability to sell exports. It would be devastating. EU has control of that. That's the hammer.
Doesn't Russia provide Europe with a large part of it's fuel needs (and i'm guessing other exports)? What happens to europe if that stuff turns off?
Was actually thinking about this yesterday. For all the people who bitch about gas prices (at least in the US), can you imagine once the 2nd largest producer is shut off?
They produce 10% of the petroleum exports. They also provide Europe with natural gas through the Nord 1 pipeline. So yes, it will hurt everyone a bit, but no one worse than Russia. We can't expect no pain in defending a country's right to sovereignty.
Oh for sure, I'm not one to give a shit about gas prices. If anything they've been too low for too long.
Regardless, it would absolutely devastate Russia so LFG do it baby.
I still don't rule out an actual war here tho. Russia is the Eric Andre meme shooting Ukraine with the gun while saying "WHY WOUlD UKRAINE DO THIS???"
The invasion is starting, but declaring two regions as separatist. Time to bring the sanctions.
This is about to get very ugly. With 75% of Russian forces along Ukraine…. Russia knows no one is going to do anything except sanctions. And he doesn’t care about his people at all
That's why they sanction the assets of the oligarchs, Dumas members and other political leaders directly. No it isn't perfect, but it will hurt them personally.
It’s clearly been super effective. Again we gave Russia > 4 years to do whatever they wanted so that sucks too.
I'm talking about forward sanctions. These are not in place.
I also think they should be removed from SWIFT if they invade. That's the international financial clearing house run out of Belgium. It would effectively cut them off from their cash around the world and ability to sell exports. It would be devastating. EU has control of that. That's the hammer.
Doesn't Russia provide Europe with a large part of it's fuel needs (and i'm guessing other exports)? What happens to europe if that stuff turns off?
Was actually thinking about this yesterday. For all the people who bitch about gas prices (at least in the US), can you imagine once the 2nd largest producer is shut off?
They produce 10% of the petroleum exports. They also provide Europe with natural gas through the Nord 1 pipeline. So yes, it will hurt everyone a bit, but no one worse than Russia. We can't expect no pain in defending a country's right to sovereignty.
Oh for sure, I'm not one to give a shit about gas prices. If anything they've been too low for too long.
Regardless, it would absolutely devastate Russia so LFG do it baby.
I still don't rule out an actual war here tho. Russia is the Eric Andre meme shooting Ukraine with the gun while saying "WHY WOUlD UKRAINE DO THIS???"
The invasion is starting, but declaring two regions as separatist. Time to bring the sanctions.
That’ll stop them
You don't think:
1. eliminating all trade and investments in the two regions 2. Freezing assets of Putin and his oligarchs individually 3. Cutting them out of SWIFT
would have any impact on the oligarchs and the broader Russian economy? If it has no effect, then why is Iran willing to halt their nuclear program for 15 years in exchange for reduced sanctions? And remember, this is going after individuals connected to the Kremlin.
As a result of Bolshevik policy, Soviet Ukraine arose, which even today can with good reason be called “Vladimir Ilyich Lenin’s Ukraine.” He is its author and architect. This is fully confirmed by archive documents. . . . And now grateful descendants have demolished monuments to Lenin in Ukraine. This is what they call decommunisation. Do you want decommunisation? Well, that suits us just fine. But it is unnecessary, as they say, to stop halfway. We are ready to show you what real decommunisation means for Ukraine.
This is truly breathtaking, dangerous and borderline insane. What does "decommunisation" mean for Ukraine? We can only assume what it has meant for Russia, Crimea, Georgia, Chechnya and Kazak.. It means a country looted and impoverished, while the oligarchs get richer. It means the ruble falls even further. Today it's the weakest it's ever been against the dollar (modern times). The Russian market crashed 11% today and is down 40% since Putin started moving troops. He is taking his country into the oblivion while trying to undo what he sees as the damage of Minsk and other post Soviet treaties. It's not that much different than Hitler trying to avenge Versailles.
So if Putin taket over Donetsk and Luhansk will it be enough or will he continue for the whole country of Ukraine? Maybe he has plans to take over the Baltic countries again ? Will he start a world war?
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Hey, lemme tell ya, the first guy I always turn to to get the straight scoop on them danged pinko commie p.o.s. lib-rye-als is good old Daaaaaaaaaaaaaan O'Donneeeeellllllllllllllllllllll.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
So if Putin taket over Donetsk and Luhansk will it be enough or will he continue for the whole country of Ukraine? Maybe he has plans to take over the Baltic countries again ? Will he start a world war?
After his speech yesterday you would imagine there would be some concern in the former USSR states
So if Putin taket over Donetsk and Luhansk will it be enough or will he continue for the whole country of Ukraine? Maybe he has plans to take over the Baltic countries again ? Will he start a world war?
After his speech yesterday you would imagine there would be some concern in the former USSR states
Right, that speech could be directed towards any country that was part of the block.
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100%. No way this was going to happen with the Olympics going on. Xi made that very clear, I imagine. They did not want to distract from their showcase (even though the whole thing was a debacle, ironically thanks to the ROC).
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100%. No way this was going to happen with the Olympics going on. Xi made that very clear, I imagine. They did not want to distract from their showcase (even though the whole thing was a debacle, ironically thanks to the ROC).
kinda liked having to seek it out instead of being bombarded with it. didnt turn it on once.
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I'm not entirely sure what is meant by this comment.
After pulling out of Afghanistan our defense sector is a little adrift. Hopefully the sanctions work. If not I see the machine trying to whip up the usual patriotic freedom talk fervor until we get to an acceptable level of public opinion to get our armed forces involved and get that defense cash machine cranking back up.
I'm not entirely sure what is meant by this comment.
After pulling out of Afghanistan our defense sector is a little adrift. Hopefully the sanctions work. If not I see the machine trying to whip up the usual patriotic freedom talk fervor until we get to an acceptable level of public opinion to get our armed forces involved and get that defense cash machine cranking back up.
but this isn't the US inventing a conflict to further their own agenda. this is all russia. should the world just stand idly by and let putin do whatever he wants?
I'm not entirely sure what is meant by this comment.
After pulling out of Afghanistan our defense sector is a little adrift. Hopefully the sanctions work. If not I see the machine trying to whip up the usual patriotic freedom talk fervor until we get to an acceptable level of public opinion to get our armed forces involved and get that defense cash machine cranking back up.
but this isn't the US inventing a conflict to further their own agenda. this is all russia. should the world just stand idly by and let putin do whatever he wants?
from letter from an american "Putin and his fellow oligarchs have amassed power thanks to the financial laxness of western democracies, which their money has helped to destabilize. With Putin’s attack on the international rule of law today, challenging western nations to stop him, Edward Luce of the Financial Times identified the larger picture: “Cannot be stated strongly enough,” he wrote. “If the west—chiefly America, but also Britain—doesn't burn its financial ties to Russia's oligarchy then Putin will prevail. This means taking on Wall Street, the City, law firms[,] realtors, the prep schools and western laundering outfits.”"
This is one of the reasons I don't think anything will happen. Regarding your question, should we stand Idly by? I don't know, which action will cause more longterm worldwide harm for the greater part of humanity? I wish I was a fortune teller.
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Regardless, it would absolutely devastate Russia so LFG do it baby.
I still don't rule out an actual war here tho. Russia is the Eric Andre meme shooting Ukraine with the gun while saying "WHY WOUlD UKRAINE DO THIS???"
1. eliminating all trade and investments in the two regions
2. Freezing assets of Putin and his oligarchs individually
3. Cutting them out of SWIFT
would have any impact on the oligarchs and the broader Russian economy? If it has no effect, then why is Iran willing to halt their nuclear program for 15 years in exchange for reduced sanctions? And remember, this is going after individuals connected to the Kremlin.
As a result of Bolshevik policy, Soviet Ukraine arose, which even today can with good reason be called “Vladimir Ilyich Lenin’s Ukraine.” He is its author and architect. This is fully confirmed by archive documents. . . . And now grateful descendants have demolished monuments to Lenin in Ukraine. This is what they call decommunisation. Do you want decommunisation? Well, that suits us just fine. But it is unnecessary, as they say, to stop halfway. We are ready to show you what real decommunisation means for Ukraine.
This is truly breathtaking, dangerous and borderline insane. What does "decommunisation" mean for Ukraine? We can only assume what it has meant for Russia, Crimea, Georgia, Chechnya and Kazak.. It means a country looted and impoverished, while the oligarchs get richer. It means the ruble falls even further. Today it's the weakest it's ever been against the dollar (modern times). The Russian market crashed 11% today and is down 40% since Putin started moving troops. He is taking his country into the oblivion while trying to undo what he sees as the damage of Minsk and other post Soviet treaties. It's not that much different than Hitler trying to avenge Versailles.
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
Cheers,
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another country getting fucked by western involvement. This is what happens when actor/comedian and a senile old man get involved…
Maybe he has plans to take over the Baltic countries again ? Will he start a world war?
Hey, lemme tell ya, the first guy I always turn to to get the straight scoop on them danged pinko commie p.o.s. lib-rye-als is good old Daaaaaaaaaaaaaan O'Donneeeeellllllllllllllllllllll.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
Cheers,
HFD
"Putin and his fellow oligarchs have amassed power thanks to the financial laxness of western democracies, which their money has helped to destabilize. With Putin’s attack on the international rule of law today, challenging western nations to stop him, Edward Luce of the Financial Times identified the larger picture: “Cannot be stated strongly enough,” he wrote. “If the west—chiefly America, but also Britain—doesn't burn its financial ties to Russia's oligarchy then Putin will prevail. This means taking on Wall Street, the City, law firms[,] realtors, the prep schools and western laundering outfits.”"
This is one of the reasons I don't think anything will happen. Regarding your question, should we stand Idly by? I don't know, which action will cause more longterm worldwide harm for the greater part of humanity? I wish I was a fortune teller.
There are no kings inside the gates of eden