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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,186
    if russia invades, all of the nato countries have to mobilize and fight russia, right? 

    is ukraine in nato? or is it just latvia and crimea? i do not remember my specific geography at the moment.

    if a nato country is invaded, all other nato countries have to join the fight. that is why nato was formed. to keep other countries from seizing land in the bordering countries.

    i think putin would know this, and i doubt he would want to get his country into a war against 29 other countries. he is just trying to see what he can get away with, and is trying to make biden look weak so dems will lose the midterms and then a more russia friendly government will try to allow putin to do whatever he wants.

    it is disgusting that the republicans are supporting russia here. fuck all of them.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    if russia invades, all of the nato countries have to mobilize and fight russia, right? 

    is ukraine in nato? or is it just latvia and crimea? i do not remember my specific geography at the moment.

    if a nato country is invaded, all other nato countries have to join the fight. that is why nato was formed. to keep other countries from seizing land in the bordering countries.

    i think putin would know this, and i doubt he would want to get his country into a war against 29 other countries. he is just trying to see what he can get away with, and is trying to make biden look weak so dems will lose the midterms and then a more russia friendly government will try to allow putin to do whatever he wants.

    it is disgusting that the republicans are supporting russia here. fuck all of them.
    Ukraine is not in NATO as a member, but has signed substantial cooperation treaties with NATO.  They are considered a partner.  The most germane is the CAP (Comprehensive Assistance Package) signed in 2016.  Remember, the raison d'etre for NATO is to serve as a bulwark against Soviet expansion.  The posture has continued as this particular Russian gov't has tried to reassert the Soviet empire.  
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,186
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    if russia invades, all of the nato countries have to mobilize and fight russia, right? 

    is ukraine in nato? or is it just latvia and crimea? i do not remember my specific geography at the moment.

    if a nato country is invaded, all other nato countries have to join the fight. that is why nato was formed. to keep other countries from seizing land in the bordering countries.

    i think putin would know this, and i doubt he would want to get his country into a war against 29 other countries. he is just trying to see what he can get away with, and is trying to make biden look weak so dems will lose the midterms and then a more russia friendly government will try to allow putin to do whatever he wants.

    it is disgusting that the republicans are supporting russia here. fuck all of them.
    Ukraine is not in NATO as a member, but has signed substantial cooperation treaties with NATO.  They are considered a partner.  The most germane is the CAP (Comprehensive Assistance Package) signed in 2016.  Remember, the raison d'etre for NATO is to serve as a bulwark against Soviet expansion.  The posture has continued as this particular Russian gov't has tried to reassert the Soviet empire.  
    that's right. thank you.

    putin is wanting to take over land that has many "ethnic russians". kind of like how germany wanted to annex austria due to the highly "ethnic german" population, and the world allowed it to happen. the world did not get involved until they invaded poland.

    this is why paying attention to history is important.

    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739


    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202109/1233772.shtml

    feel free to post your enlistment papers along with your families…

    otherwise only cowherds ask others to do their bidding for them…
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    if russia invades, all of the nato countries have to mobilize and fight russia, right? 

    is ukraine in nato? or is it just latvia and crimea? i do not remember my specific geography at the moment.

    if a nato country is invaded, all other nato countries have to join the fight. that is why nato was formed. to keep other countries from seizing land in the bordering countries.

    i think putin would know this, and i doubt he would want to get his country into a war against 29 other countries. he is just trying to see what he can get away with, and is trying to make biden look weak so dems will lose the midterms and then a more russia friendly government will try to allow putin to do whatever he wants.

    it is disgusting that the republicans are supporting russia here. fuck all of them.
    Ukraine is not in NATO as a member, but has signed substantial cooperation treaties with NATO.  They are considered a partner.  The most germane is the CAP (Comprehensive Assistance Package) signed in 2016.  Remember, the raison d'etre for NATO is to serve as a bulwark against Soviet expansion.  The posture has continued as this particular Russian gov't has tried to reassert the Soviet empire.  
    Bullshit.  You first went with Ukraine is a NATO member to this bullshit…


    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,482
    Meltdown99 said:


    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202109/1233772.shtml

    feel free to post your enlistment papers along with your families…

    otherwise only cowherds ask others to do their bidding for them…

    So why are you attacking Sweden for not starting a war against Germany, and sending young boys to die back in WW2?

    The Swedes who wanted to fight off Russia and the Nazis in WW2 found a way to do it. 

    You sound like one big ol' hypocrite.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    You guys wonder why Putin is pissed is quite obvious.  You have kept unnecessary sanctions on Cuba all these years because you did not want Russian weapons and a Russian presence near the US…but your ok with a military buildup including adding former Warsaw Pact countries to nato…

    your cult leaders are cowherds..





    Give Peas A Chance…
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    Meltdown99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    if russia invades, all of the nato countries have to mobilize and fight russia, right? 

    is ukraine in nato? or is it just latvia and crimea? i do not remember my specific geography at the moment.

    if a nato country is invaded, all other nato countries have to join the fight. that is why nato was formed. to keep other countries from seizing land in the bordering countries.

    i think putin would know this, and i doubt he would want to get his country into a war against 29 other countries. he is just trying to see what he can get away with, and is trying to make biden look weak so dems will lose the midterms and then a more russia friendly government will try to allow putin to do whatever he wants.

    it is disgusting that the republicans are supporting russia here. fuck all of them.
    Ukraine is not in NATO as a member, but has signed substantial cooperation treaties with NATO.  They are considered a partner.  The most germane is the CAP (Comprehensive Assistance Package) signed in 2016.  Remember, the raison d'etre for NATO is to serve as a bulwark against Soviet expansion.  The posture has continued as this particular Russian gov't has tried to reassert the Soviet empire.  
    Bullshit.  You first went with Ukraine is a NATO member to this bullshit…


    Oh yeah genius? Quote me where I said they were a member.  Don't blame me because you can't read for comprehension.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    edited January 2022
    Meltdown99 said:


    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202109/1233772.shtml

    feel free to post your enlistment papers along with your families…

    otherwise only cowherds ask others to do their bidding for them…
    Hey how about you come up with a different argument because there's no draft and this doesn't move the needle. But once again Canadian,  no one is talking about your country,  your blood or your treasure.  North America isn't a country. 

    Your argument that this is a European problem is disingenuous because you act like US and Canada act in concert.  And Spiritual_Chaos continues to accurately call out your inconsistent and hypocritical arguments.  Ever since you've been around here you've been a Putin apologist.  
    Post edited by mrussel1 on
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,482
    edited January 2022
    But to be honest though,

    Canada should rule the US. For the benefit of all. So he has a point there in combining the countries into one.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,186
    i am waiting to see how putin spins the troop buildup. will probably say something like "we need to invade ukraine to protect ourselves". as if ukraine is a threat. 

    i can see fox spinning it this way anyway.

    it is pretty shitty when fox is in the corner backing russia on this.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i am waiting to see how putin spins the troop buildup. will probably say something like "we need to invade ukraine to protect ourselves". as if ukraine is a threat. 

    i can see fox spinning it this way anyway.

    it is pretty shitty when fox is in the corner backing russia on this.
    Well obviously the military complex in the US has been manipulating Putin to build up so they can have a war.  This whole crisis is because of Raytheon and Northrup.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,482
    edited January 2022
    Girl at McDonalds:
    Hello. Can I take your order?

    @Meltdown99 : 
    https://youtu.be/Sj_ficQFz1o


    Written for Jack Nicholson level delivery in that video. Truths. 

    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    It's so strange to me that Republicans are backing Russia.  It was the Republicans years ago who were constantly in total paranoia about anything of what was then the USSR.  Anyone who didn't hate Russians was a "pinko" or a "commie".  Anything remotely related to Russia was talked about in the harshest of terms.  Crazy, crazy world.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    maybe try being on the side of peace.  
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    The bottom line is if you are willing to sacrifice other peoples children, then be prepared to sacrifice you and your family…


    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    NATO chief says no plans to send combat troops to Ukraine if Russia invades


    https://www.reuters.com/world/nato-chief-says-no-plans-send-combat-troops-ukraine-if-russia-invades-2022-01-30/?taid=61f6607b3da0720001712290&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter


    NATO has no plans to deploy combat troops to non-NATO member Ukraine in the event of a Russian invasion, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said on Sunday.

    if they were a NATO country then that changes things. But as of now they are not, they may be someday…but then that will bring more tension…






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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    Meltdown99 said:
    maybe try being on the side of peace.  
    Which side is that exactly? Who has sent 100k troops to the Ukrainian border? As a great philosopher one said , you can't take the effect and make it the cause. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    Meltdown99 said:
    The bottom line is if you are willing to sacrifice other peoples children, then be prepared to sacrifice you and your family…


    You are fully prepared to sacrifice Ukrainians. Guess they aren't as important as North Americans. 
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    maybe try being on the side of peace.  
    Which side is that exactly? Who has sent 100k troops to the Ukrainian border? As a great philosopher one said , you can't take the effect and make it the cause. 
    Well the Ukraine president wants the temps turned down…after he is the leader of Ukraine…
    Give Peas A Chance…

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