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It's a mistake to lump China and Russia together on this. They are not partners in a way where NATO intervention will bring in China to a hot war. Putin cannot become reliant on China. Russia has aspirations to rebuild its post war empire. China has no stake in that.0
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They both want to see the US' power fall. They both want to get rid of the Dollar as the worlds currency. That's 2 things they both agree on.mrussel1 said:It's a mistake to lump China and Russia together on this. They are not partners in a way where NATO intervention will bring in China to a hot war. Putin cannot become reliant on China. Russia has aspirations to rebuild its post war empire. China has no stake in that.0 -
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And they’re both autocratic and anti-democratic. Xi and Putin on the ritz, I believe, have appointed themselves rulers for life. It’ll be interesting to see who succeeds when either of them meets their demise.tempo_n_groove said:
They both want to see the US' power fall. They both want to get rid of the Dollar as the worlds currency. That's 2 things they both agree on.mrussel1 said:It's a mistake to lump China and Russia together on this. They are not partners in a way where NATO intervention will bring in China to a hot war. Putin cannot become reliant on China. Russia has aspirations to rebuild its post war empire. China has no stake in that.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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We're their biggest customer is the world. They also hold a decent chunk of our debt. They want to be the foremost superpower through economic means, not through land expansion. That's very different than Putin.tempo_n_groove said:
They both want to see the US' power fall. They both want to get rid of the Dollar as the worlds currency. That's 2 things they both agree on.mrussel1 said:It's a mistake to lump China and Russia together on this. They are not partners in a way where NATO intervention will bring in China to a hot war. Putin cannot become reliant on China. Russia has aspirations to rebuild its post war empire. China has no stake in that.
Russia is a paper tiger. Their per capita GDP is the same as Kazakhstan. It's half of Latvia. They are weak and they need new spheres of influence and control to try to bolster their world standing. They issued a series of demands of NATO that are laughable, at best. He thinks He is Brezhnev. It's imperative that the NATO powers stop this land grab that threatens the remainder of the old Soviet empire.0 -
Got that. I was just giving you examples on how you can lump them together.mrussel1 said:
We're their biggest customer is the world. They also hold a decent chunk of our debt. They want to be the foremost superpower through economic means, not through land expansion. That's very different than Putin.tempo_n_groove said:
They both want to see the US' power fall. They both want to get rid of the Dollar as the worlds currency. That's 2 things they both agree on.mrussel1 said:It's a mistake to lump China and Russia together on this. They are not partners in a way where NATO intervention will bring in China to a hot war. Putin cannot become reliant on China. Russia has aspirations to rebuild its post war empire. China has no stake in that.
Russia is a paper tiger. Their per capita GDP is the same as Kazakhstan. It's half of Latvia. They are weak and they need new spheres of influence and control to try to bolster their world standing. They issued a series of demands of NATO that are laughable, at best. He thinks He is Brezhnev. It's imperative that the NATO powers stop this land grab that threatens the remainder of the old Soviet empire.0 -
I wouldn't go that far. China wants to break dollar hegemony in EAST ASIA, not worldwide. And they ahve taken steps by allowing it to appreciate over the past few years. However it's a delicate balance because one of the primary reasons we import so much is because of the weak yuan compared to the dollar.tempo_n_groove said:
They both want to see the US' power fall. They both want to get rid of the Dollar as the worlds currency. That's 2 things they both agree on.mrussel1 said:It's a mistake to lump China and Russia together on this. They are not partners in a way where NATO intervention will bring in China to a hot war. Putin cannot become reliant on China. Russia has aspirations to rebuild its post war empire. China has no stake in that.
China is not a real concern in this particular crisis, I don't believe. The Olympics is critical to China so sullying it with a war would be terrible. If anything, I think they will be heavily against a hot war anytime in the next month, at a minimum.
Putin is pushing the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are "one people" which is preposterous. They have different language, different culture, oh and btw Moscow let millions of them die in the 20's and 30's including members of my family. But when you hear the language "one people", it's impossible not to think of the Anshluss. That's where Putin's head is.. He just doesn't have the army to do it.0 -
I wonder if China would try to pull off a grab of Taiwan if the US got involved with the Ukraine. It has seemed like they are waiting for just the right time for a while now.mrussel1 said:
I wouldn't go that far. China wants to break dollar hegemony in EAST ASIA, not worldwide. And they ahve taken steps by allowing it to appreciate over the past few years. However it's a delicate balance because one of the primary reasons we import so much is because of the weak yuan compared to the dollar.tempo_n_groove said:
They both want to see the US' power fall. They both want to get rid of the Dollar as the worlds currency. That's 2 things they both agree on.mrussel1 said:It's a mistake to lump China and Russia together on this. They are not partners in a way where NATO intervention will bring in China to a hot war. Putin cannot become reliant on China. Russia has aspirations to rebuild its post war empire. China has no stake in that.
China is not a real concern in this particular crisis, I don't believe. The Olympics is critical to China so sullying it with a war would be terrible. If anything, I think they will be heavily against a hot war anytime in the next month, at a minimum.
Putin is pushing the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are "one people" which is preposterous. They have different language, different culture, oh and btw Moscow let millions of them die in the 20's and 30's including members of my family. But when you hear the language "one people", it's impossible not to think of the Anshluss. That's where Putin's head is.. He just doesn't have the army to do it.0 -
China has been wanting to get the dollar off of oil for years though. They have been aspiring to have the yuan as the global currency. Russia has been trying to do the same thing when they flooded the world w oil to try and cripple our oil production and have the dollar sink farther.mrussel1 said:
I wouldn't go that far. China wants to break dollar hegemony in EAST ASIA, not worldwide. And they ahve taken steps by allowing it to appreciate over the past few years. However it's a delicate balance because one of the primary reasons we import so much is because of the weak yuan compared to the dollar.tempo_n_groove said:
They both want to see the US' power fall. They both want to get rid of the Dollar as the worlds currency. That's 2 things they both agree on.mrussel1 said:It's a mistake to lump China and Russia together on this. They are not partners in a way where NATO intervention will bring in China to a hot war. Putin cannot become reliant on China. Russia has aspirations to rebuild its post war empire. China has no stake in that.
China is not a real concern in this particular crisis, I don't believe. The Olympics is critical to China so sullying it with a war would be terrible. If anything, I think they will be heavily against a hot war anytime in the next month, at a minimum.
Putin is pushing the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are "one people" which is preposterous. They have different language, different culture, oh and btw Moscow let millions of them die in the 20's and 30's including members of my family. But when you hear the language "one people", it's impossible not to think of the Anshluss. That's where Putin's head is.. He just doesn't have the army to do it.
If the dollar goes under China would be poised to back the Yuan by gold and instantly become the economic super power they want. They could easily brush off the buying power we have by having their currency a bigger influence worldwide.
It's crazy how the countries position themselves to be a major player in the world.
I do hope that we can achieve making superconductors and medication here in the states within the next few years to lessen the dependency on China.0 -
I tend to agree with this assessment and that putin on the ritz's recent activity is geared more for his domestic audience. That said, desperate leaders do desperate things and they're still a nuclear power so you can't just ignore them. A new "cold war."mrussel1 said:
We're their biggest customer is the world. They also hold a decent chunk of our debt. They want to be the foremost superpower through economic means, not through land expansion. That's very different than Putin.tempo_n_groove said:
They both want to see the US' power fall. They both want to get rid of the Dollar as the worlds currency. That's 2 things they both agree on.mrussel1 said:It's a mistake to lump China and Russia together on this. They are not partners in a way where NATO intervention will bring in China to a hot war. Putin cannot become reliant on China. Russia has aspirations to rebuild its post war empire. China has no stake in that.
Russia is a paper tiger. Their per capita GDP is the same as Kazakhstan. It's half of Latvia. They are weak and they need new spheres of influence and control to try to bolster their world standing. They issued a series of demands of NATO that are laughable, at best. He thinks He is Brezhnev. It's imperative that the NATO powers stop this land grab that threatens the remainder of the old Soviet empire.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I mean... it's fundamentally Chinese property already. The easiest way to anger China is for a country to say anything against the One China position.PJPOWER said:
I wonder if China would try to pull off a grab of Taiwan if the US got involved with the Ukraine. It has seemed like they are waiting for just the right time for a while now.mrussel1 said:
I wouldn't go that far. China wants to break dollar hegemony in EAST ASIA, not worldwide. And they ahve taken steps by allowing it to appreciate over the past few years. However it's a delicate balance because one of the primary reasons we import so much is because of the weak yuan compared to the dollar.tempo_n_groove said:
They both want to see the US' power fall. They both want to get rid of the Dollar as the worlds currency. That's 2 things they both agree on.mrussel1 said:It's a mistake to lump China and Russia together on this. They are not partners in a way where NATO intervention will bring in China to a hot war. Putin cannot become reliant on China. Russia has aspirations to rebuild its post war empire. China has no stake in that.
China is not a real concern in this particular crisis, I don't believe. The Olympics is critical to China so sullying it with a war would be terrible. If anything, I think they will be heavily against a hot war anytime in the next month, at a minimum.
Putin is pushing the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are "one people" which is preposterous. They have different language, different culture, oh and btw Moscow let millions of them die in the 20's and 30's including members of my family. But when you hear the language "one people", it's impossible not to think of the Anshluss. That's where Putin's head is.. He just doesn't have the army to do it.0 -
True…which is why they are probably angry a lot, hamrussel1 said:
I mean... it's fundamentally Chinese property already. The easiest way to anger China is for a country to say anything against the One China position.PJPOWER said:
I wonder if China would try to pull off a grab of Taiwan if the US got involved with the Ukraine. It has seemed like they are waiting for just the right time for a while now.mrussel1 said:
I wouldn't go that far. China wants to break dollar hegemony in EAST ASIA, not worldwide. And they ahve taken steps by allowing it to appreciate over the past few years. However it's a delicate balance because one of the primary reasons we import so much is because of the weak yuan compared to the dollar.tempo_n_groove said:
They both want to see the US' power fall. They both want to get rid of the Dollar as the worlds currency. That's 2 things they both agree on.mrussel1 said:It's a mistake to lump China and Russia together on this. They are not partners in a way where NATO intervention will bring in China to a hot war. Putin cannot become reliant on China. Russia has aspirations to rebuild its post war empire. China has no stake in that.
China is not a real concern in this particular crisis, I don't believe. The Olympics is critical to China so sullying it with a war would be terrible. If anything, I think they will be heavily against a hot war anytime in the next month, at a minimum.
Putin is pushing the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are "one people" which is preposterous. They have different language, different culture, oh and btw Moscow let millions of them die in the 20's and 30's including members of my family. But when you hear the language "one people", it's impossible not to think of the Anshluss. That's where Putin's head is.. He just doesn't have the army to do it.0 -
Ukraines on to you guys. He doesn’t want your bullshit war mongering…Give Peas A Chance…0
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Yeah, nothing would advance the cause of peace and humanity like letting Russia take whatever the fuck territory they want. Sounds like a great plan there, Neville.Meltdown99 said:Ukraines on to you guys. He doesn’t want your bullshit war mongering…0 -
about the china thing, I was going to say the same thing as mrussell....US economic success is a big factor of China's economy. But as far as Russia and Ukraine go, I don't have a fucking clue.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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You and your family are free to join the fight? People who promote war but don’t join the fight, what does that make you. I know it’s easier to send other people to fight your war, especially poor people that the elites love to use in their wars games…maybe the Ukraine president thinks of these things like this, because we know you America don’, maybe unlike you and your cult politicians feels life is worth something. This is Europes problem. They can defend Ukraine…or not. Burps it appears even Europe is not all that interested in an armed conflict…whiny don’t you and Russia play your war games in California…winner her California, or Putin and Biden could settle this UFC style…lmfao.mrussel1 said:
Yeah, nothing would advance the cause of peace and humanity like letting Russia take whatever the fuck territory they want. Sounds like a great plan there, Neville.Meltdown99 said:Ukraines on to you guys. He doesn’t want your bullshit war mongering…
Crimea is not stolen land. It was given to Ukraine in 54’, Russia took it back. You are living on stolen land, the cam about through genocide…Give Peas A Chance…0 -
If you go in to protect Ukraine. Let me know, and I'll try to throw in some SAAB JAS 39 Gripen.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Why would it be Europe's problem? And not a global international community's?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Odd question coming from a citizen of country that did not really join the fight to defend your own continent against tyranny…but you expect us throw our young into a war over nothing? Feel free to join the fight. Send Ukraine weapons a a good luck note…Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would it be Europe's problem? And not a global international community's?Give Peas A Chance…0 -
ooooh.... fiestyMeltdown99 said:
Odd question coming from a citizen of country that did not really join the fight to defend your own continent against tyranny…but you expect us throw our young into a war over nothing? Feel free to join the fight. Send Ukraine weapons a a good luck note…Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would it be Europe's problem? And not a global international community's?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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