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  • Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,526
    it's not a lie if the data at the time bears it out. if it changes, doesn't make it a lie. makes it a mistake. 
    exactly....and to continue to push that narrative almost two years after the fact just doesn't make sense to me. Seems like a Tucker Carlson diatribe.
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  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,885
    I guess I just find it interesting that you call out Fauci for his explainable "lie" and don't address the bullshit that tRump spewed out during the same time period. The suggestion on live TV that introducing light to our internal organs or introducing disinfectants to our bodies might be something that would help, etc.

    Seems like Fauci's statement pales in comparison to me but carry on.
    people can criticize biden or fauci or anyone else, even if they haven't addressed every single one of trump's wrongdoings.  
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  • St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,643
    The going social media theory is that it's the vaccinated that are spreading covid because they're overly secure in the vaccination and are out spreading it by gathering, etc. I don't doubt there's some truth to this. That said, my observation is that the unvaccinated have always been out gathering, living their lives, and "not living in fear" from day one. Therefore, I'd suspect that they're still doing more than their share of the spreading...just not by as wide of a margin as was the case prior to omicron.

    I highly doubt there's any true knowledge of this, though.
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  • Posts: 9,359
    people can criticize biden or fauci or anyone else, even if they haven't addressed every single one of trump's wrongdoings.  
    No no no no no. Not allowed here. It’s literally the number one answer here anytime someone without a (R) next to their name is slightly critiqued. It’s always what about trump. Or you haven’t criticized trump enough. Weird. 
  • Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,526
    nicknyr15 said:
    No no no no no. Not allowed here. It’s literally the number one answer here anytime someone without a (R) next to their name is slightly critiqued. It’s always what about trump. Or you haven’t criticized trump enough. Weird. 
    LOL....it just seems like there is so much else to criticize that it was surprising that you would bring up the "lie" that Fauci explained. Yet ignore the ridiculous statements that from tRump that are still getting people killed.

    And "not allowed here"? I'm not preventing you from posting. If my responses bother you I'm sorry.
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  • Posts: 9,359
    LOL....it just seems like there is so much else to criticize that it was surprising that you would bring up the "lie" that Fauci explained. Yet ignore the ridiculous statements that from tRump that are still getting people killed.

    And "not allowed here"? I'm not preventing you from posting. If my responses bother you I'm sorry.
    Don’t be sorry. Honestly. I don’t ignore anything that trump said. I just don’t run here to join in on the constant discussion about him. I can’t stand him and couldn’t think of a bigger waste of time. 
  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,885
    LOL....it just seems like there is so much else to criticize that it was surprising that you would bring up the "lie" that Fauci explained. Yet ignore the ridiculous statements that from tRump that are still getting people killed.

    And "not allowed here"? I'm not preventing you from posting. If my responses bother you I'm sorry.
    it's just exhausting reading the constant "but what about trump". so many people here bitch and moan about whataboutisms, but ever since trump came around, the biggest one is about him. you literally aren't allowed to question anyone without it becoming about trump. fauci's mask thing has zero to do with trump. 

    both criticisms are valid discussion in their own right. 
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  • Posts: 9,359
    it's just exhausting reading the constant "but what about trump". so many people here bitch and moan about whataboutisms, but ever since trump came around, the biggest one is about him. you literally aren't allowed to question anyone without it becoming about trump. fauci's mask thing has zero to do with trump. 

    both criticisms are valid discussion in their own right. 
    I agree. That’s all I’m trying to say. 
  • None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
  • Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,526
    Yeah I'm big on whataboutisms but it just seems like such an explainable situation (to prevent health care workers from not having proper protection) that it is justified.

    But whatever.  Let's discredit Fauci as much as possible because that helps.
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  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,885
    Yeah I'm big on whataboutisms but it just seems like such an explainable situation (to prevent health care workers from not having proper protection) that it is justified.

    But whatever.  Let's discredit Fauci as much as possible because that helps.
    helps what? are helping solve the covid crisis here? I think it's a good discussion to have, because until nick brought it up, I hadn't seen fauci's quote about masking data/theory in the early days vs now. I think honestly it's great for people to see that. Myself included. 
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  • Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,526
    helps what? are helping solve the covid crisis here? I think it's a good discussion to have, because until nick brought it up, I hadn't seen fauci's quote about masking data/theory in the early days vs now. I think honestly it's great for people to see that. Myself included. 
    So do you think his explanation was acceptable?

    It's like the Maddow clip I brought up the other day that I keep seeing everywhere. In the early days of the vaccine the reports were that the vaccinated would not carry the virus to pass to others. Now we know that is wrong yet the right is going on and on about how Maddow lied to discredit her.  

    Same with Fauci. In the very early response he said something incorrect that he corrected very soon after that. Yet here we are calling him a liar.

    Doesn't make sense to me but whatever.  Carry on.

    Fuck Fauci! He must be stupid because he says masks don't help!
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
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  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,885
    So do you think his explanation was acceptable?

    It's like the Maddow clip I brought up the other day that I keep seeing everywhere. In the early days of the vaccine the reports were that the vaccinated would not carry the virus to pass to others. Now we know that is wrong yet the right is going on and on about how Maddow lied to discredit her.  

    Same with Fauci. In the very early response he said something incorrect that he corrected very soon after that. Yet here we are calling him a liar.

    Doesn't make sense to me but whatever.  Carry on.

    Fuck Fauci! He must be stupid because he says masks don't help!
    I think his explanation is absolutely acceptable. that's how science works. new data brings new discoveries. but media feeds us drama. we all get trapped into it. all of us. I've been guilty of it. I'm sure you have too. I simply did not know that quote existed. And then we'll get the usual "well stop watching CNN/Fox/MSNBC" or "get your news from reputable sources" or some other passive insult (not from you, in general). 

    like I said before, I had no problem with fauci before when I thought maybe it was a lie to keep supplies with those who needed them. Because honestly, in real time, when Canada's Theresa Tamm did the same thing, but the 180 pivot was literally days apart (if I'm remembering correctly), it seemed suspect and I knew that was going to cause so much confusion. 

    so I get why people question those at the helm telling us these things. But I also understand why/how it happened. 
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  • Fauci lost all credibility by not being forthcoming about the fact that the NIH helped fund the Wuhan lab's research. He kept pushing that the virus was likely not man-made, and he was always eager to speculate that the virus came from the Wuhan wet market. Other scientists had their research/opinions censored on social media due to having hypotheses that contradict Fauci.

    I don't see how anyone can even give a crap about Fauci at this point. On either side. I don't see the point of respecting his guidance or recommendations, nor do I see the point in vilifying him. Heck with him. 
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  • Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,526
    Fauci lost all credibility by not being forthcoming about the fact that the NIH helped fund the Wuhan lab's research. He kept pushing that the virus was likely not man-made, and he was always eager to speculate that the virus came from the Wuhan wet market. Other scientists had their research/opinions censored on social media due to having hypotheses that contradict Fauci.

    I don't see how anyone can even give a crap about Fauci at this point. On either side. I don't see the point of respecting his guidance or recommendations, nor do I see the point in vilifying him. Heck with him. 
    I'm really not a Fauci fanboy....I just don't get the hatred.

    If Fauci said that the virus was "likely not man-made" who gives a shit? That doesn't change how we respond to it unless you think we should bomb Wuhan.
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    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • So do you think his explanation was acceptable?

    It's like the Maddow clip I brought up the other day that I keep seeing everywhere. In the early days of the vaccine the reports were that the vaccinated would not carry the virus to pass to others. Now we know that is wrong yet the right is going on and on about how Maddow lied to discredit her.  

    Same with Fauci. In the very early response he said something incorrect that he corrected very soon after that. Yet here we are calling him a liar.

    Doesn't make sense to me but whatever.  Carry on.

    Fuck Fauci! He must be stupid because he says masks don't help!
    I remember listening to Fauci explain that he didn't want N95 masks going to regular people, because they wouldn't get in the hands of people that really need them.  That is definitely true.  I couldn't believe he said that.

    People have a hard time believing him now because of something like that.

    Nick is right about masks being bought up in droves and sent to China.  I couldn't find ANY for my men.  Got lucky w one vendor and rationed those until a month later when new shipments were coming in.
  • Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,526
    I remember listening to Fauci explain that he didn't want N95 masks going to regular people, because they wouldn't get in the hands of people that really need them.  That is definitely true.  I couldn't believe he said that.

    People have a hard time believing him now because of something like that.

    Nick is right about masks being bought up in droves and sent to China.  I couldn't find ANY for my men.  Got lucky w one vendor and rationed those until a month later when new shipments were coming in.
    But does a comment that Fauci made that was soon backtracked/corrected really have anything to do with N95 masks being sent to China in January 2020? That's what Nick said. Fauci made his statement on March 8, 2020 right?


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    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • I'm really not a Fauci fanboy....I just don't get the hatred.

    If Fauci said that the virus was "likely not man-made" who gives a shit? That doesn't change how we respond to it unless you think we should bomb Wuhan.
    The pandemic is the most significant thing to happen in our lifetimes. Lack of transparency regarding it from the most notable public health official is pretty outrageous. And if your thoughts on that are “who gives a shit” because that’s already done and over with and now we’re stuck with the virus, then by all means, don’t give a shit. 
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  • Posts: 9,359
    But does a comment that Fauci made that was soon backtracked/corrected really have anything to do with N95 masks being sent to China in January 2020? That's what Nick said. Fauci made his statement on March 8, 2020 right?


    It didn’t matter by March 8. No big vendors had any 3M n95 masks in stock by mid January. 

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