Viruses / Vaccines

nicknyr15 said:

oftenreading said:

nicknyr15 said:

Anyone following the southwest airline situation? Seems weird to blame all those cancellations on weather when no other airline came close to the amount of cancellations. It’s obvious that it was an organized protest by their staff against the mandate. It’s just so lame that they won’t admit it. 

That doesn't seem to be the case. Initial weather problems in Florida, compounded by air traffic control issues, knock on effects of planes not getting to where they needed to be, and Southwest's different model seem to be the relevant factors.

Casey Murray, the president of the Southwest Airlines Pilots Association, dismissed the idea that pilots had called in sick to protest the company’s vaccine mandate, though the union has asked a court to prevent Southwest from enforcing that requirement. Pilots called in sick at a normal rate this weekend, he said.

Instead, Mr. Murray said, the widespread cancellations were caused by technological issues and problems with how pilots are reassigned and rerouted during disruptions, a process complicated by Southwest’s uniquely large, point-to-point network. In a typical day, about 10 percent of pilots are reassigned from the flights they were scheduled to operate. That figure was 71 percent on Saturday and 85 percent on Sunday, according to Mr. Murray.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/11/business/southwest-airlines-cancellations.html?searchResultPosition=2

Yea. I have a hard time believing much these days. Certain papers will say nothing to see here, other obvious papers will say it’s definitely an organized walk out. I doubt anyone will want to come out and outright admit it was a protest. Especially with thousands and thousands of pissed off customers. 

mrussel1 said:

nicknyr15 said:

oftenreading said:

nicknyr15 said:

Anyone following the southwest airline situation? Seems weird to blame all those cancellations on weather when no other airline came close to the amount of cancellations. It’s obvious that it was an organized protest by their staff against the mandate. It’s just so lame that they won’t admit it. 

That doesn't seem to be the case. Initial weather problems in Florida, compounded by air traffic control issues, knock on effects of planes not getting to where they needed to be, and Southwest's different model seem to be the relevant factors.

Casey Murray, the president of the Southwest Airlines Pilots Association, dismissed the idea that pilots had called in sick to protest the company’s vaccine mandate, though the union has asked a court to prevent Southwest from enforcing that requirement. Pilots called in sick at a normal rate this weekend, he said.

Instead, Mr. Murray said, the widespread cancellations were caused by technological issues and problems with how pilots are reassigned and rerouted during disruptions, a process complicated by Southwest’s uniquely large, point-to-point network. In a typical day, about 10 percent of pilots are reassigned from the flights they were scheduled to operate. That figure was 71 percent on Saturday and 85 percent on Sunday, according to Mr. Murray.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/11/business/southwest-airlines-cancellations.html?searchResultPosition=2

Yea. I have a hard time believing much these days. Certain papers will say nothing to see here, other obvious papers will say it’s definitely an organized walk out. I doubt anyone will want to come out and outright admit it was a protest. Especially with thousands and thousands of pissed off customers. 

So you think the news is inventing a quote from the pilots union?

oftenreading said:

US will allow fully vaccinated nonessential travellers through the land borders starting in November.

https://apple.news/AwZ4lhupARoaTCYU_mPVHLg

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

nicknyr15 said:

oftenreading said:

nicknyr15 said:

Anyone following the southwest airline situation? Seems weird to blame all those cancellations on weather when no other airline came close to the amount of cancellations. It’s obvious that it was an organized protest by their staff against the mandate. It’s just so lame that they won’t admit it. 

That doesn't seem to be the case. Initial weather problems in Florida, compounded by air traffic control issues, knock on effects of planes not getting to where they needed to be, and Southwest's different model seem to be the relevant factors.

Casey Murray, the president of the Southwest Airlines Pilots Association, dismissed the idea that pilots had called in sick to protest the company’s vaccine mandate, though the union has asked a court to prevent Southwest from enforcing that requirement. Pilots called in sick at a normal rate this weekend, he said.

Instead, Mr. Murray said, the widespread cancellations were caused by technological issues and problems with how pilots are reassigned and rerouted during disruptions, a process complicated by Southwest’s uniquely large, point-to-point network. In a typical day, about 10 percent of pilots are reassigned from the flights they were scheduled to operate. That figure was 71 percent on Saturday and 85 percent on Sunday, according to Mr. Murray.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/11/business/southwest-airlines-cancellations.html?searchResultPosition=2

Yea. I have a hard time believing much these days. Certain papers will say nothing to see here, other obvious papers will say it’s definitely an organized walk out. I doubt anyone will want to come out and outright admit it was a protest. Especially with thousands and thousands of pissed off customers. 

So you think the news is inventing a quote from the pilots union?

I think the pilots union doesn’t speak for all of the pilots and employees of southwest.

Did they organize this on Facebook?

Ha. Maybe, if anything did occur.  I just noticed that not too many if any actual employees were interviewed for any of the stories I read.  Also, if there is nothing to the rumor of a strike how the hell are some outlets labelling it as such? Have we really gotten to a place where speculation and fabrication are widely acceptable outside of facebook?  Obviously fox and their ilk have a history of twisting and misrepresenting, but complete fabrications of a non existent vax related pilot strike causing delays, that seems like a pretty bad sign of things to come. 

oftenreading said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

nicknyr15 said:

oftenreading said:

nicknyr15 said:

Anyone following the southwest airline situation? Seems weird to blame all those cancellations on weather when no other airline came close to the amount of cancellations. It’s obvious that it was an organized protest by their staff against the mandate. It’s just so lame that they won’t admit it. 

That doesn't seem to be the case. Initial weather problems in Florida, compounded by air traffic control issues, knock on effects of planes not getting to where they needed to be, and Southwest's different model seem to be the relevant factors.

Casey Murray, the president of the Southwest Airlines Pilots Association, dismissed the idea that pilots had called in sick to protest the company’s vaccine mandate, though the union has asked a court to prevent Southwest from enforcing that requirement. Pilots called in sick at a normal rate this weekend, he said.

Instead, Mr. Murray said, the widespread cancellations were caused by technological issues and problems with how pilots are reassigned and rerouted during disruptions, a process complicated by Southwest’s uniquely large, point-to-point network. In a typical day, about 10 percent of pilots are reassigned from the flights they were scheduled to operate. That figure was 71 percent on Saturday and 85 percent on Sunday, according to Mr. Murray.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/11/business/southwest-airlines-cancellations.html?searchResultPosition=2

Yea. I have a hard time believing much these days. Certain papers will say nothing to see here, other obvious papers will say it’s definitely an organized walk out. I doubt anyone will want to come out and outright admit it was a protest. Especially with thousands and thousands of pissed off customers. 

So you think the news is inventing a quote from the pilots union?

I think the pilots union doesn’t speak for all of the pilots and employees of southwest.

Did they organize this on Facebook?

Ha. Maybe, if anything did occur.  I just noticed that not too many if any actual employees were interviewed for any of the stories I read.  Also, if there is nothing to the rumor of a strike how the hell are some outlets labelling it as such? Have we really gotten to a place where speculation and fabrication are widely acceptable outside of facebook?  Obviously fox and their ilk have a history of twisting and misrepresenting, but complete fabrications of a non existent vax related pilot strike causing delays, that seems like a pretty bad sign of things to come. 

Yes, we have indeed gotten to a place where speculation and fabrication are widely accepted. These incidents are not accidents, they are created purposefully to advance goals. This isn't even the first widespread social media claim that a business or an airline is on the verge of massive staff loss due to vaccine mandates which appear to have been plucked from thin air. 

Ted Cruz and his ilk had a big part to play in this one. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

mickeyrat said:

oftenreading said:

US will allow fully vaccinated nonessential travellers through the land borders starting in November.

https://apple.news/AwZ4lhupARoaTCYU_mPVHLg

this great news. hope it holds. been missing our twice a year conference weekends on erie up there...

you've been allowed to come up here and cross back as a citizen for some time, no?